Set Piece Coach

[pauliopaulio]

How much is he on?

[Burnley1989]

More than you

[box_of_frogs]

Do we have one?

[Safron]

I think everyone knows a set piece coach is there for offensive coaching not defending or he would be called an defensive coach

[pauliopaulio]

I think everyone knows a set piece coach is there for offensive coaching not defending or he would be called an defensive coach

So who is responsible for the monstrosity of our defensive corner set up?

[Safron]

The manager

[Hedontplayforyou]

I’m not sure about today but VK went to the dugout in the last game on every defensive set piece….who came out instead of him I’m unsure but this would suggest the set piece coach does both offensive and defensive .

Anyone seen the same thing?

[Petersa]

More tk the point do we have a goalkeeper coach?

[agreenwood]

Looking back at the league games before today, how many goals have we conceded from corners in the games vs Palace, Bournemouth, Brentford, Chelsea, Luton & Man United (ie the previous 6)?

[Goody1975]

This isn't something new, there were times last season when we looked vulnerable from crosses and set pieces (especially corners).

The difference was we had the majority of the ball which restricts the amount of times teams can put us in these situations, this season we are under the cosh more often.

The keeper is one thing but too often we have players unable to clear their box with headers, we can't keep harping back to Mee and Tarkowski but they were able to clear their lines more often than not.

It's not something we can hide from, it's a weakness and everybody, including opposition managers can see, it's how to hurt us. VK either deals with this or teams will continue to punish us week on week.

[Swizzlestick]

It’s worth pointing out Arsenal had thirteen corners today and are the best set piece scorers in the league.

(Not that we can’t improve, but just giving some context)

[agreenwood]

Been trying to find the PL stats on goals conceded from set pieces, because I think there’s some recency bias here.

We’re generally lacking defensively, but defending set pieces wasn’t a major concern compared to other issues before today. Losing the ball 30-40 yards from goal has been more of a problem.

[HahaYeah]

VK should know a bit about set pieces.

[Safron]

I just can't get my head around how poor offensively and defensively we are at set pieces knowing who our manager is and his knowledge in the game truly baffling

[NewClaret]

There is nothing that’s annoyed me all season more than our set pieces. Not necessarily defensively but offensively.

Credit where it’s due, we changed today and didn’t pass them backwards. I’ll save my “sack him” comments on that basis, but SO much work to do to get anywhere near Prem level

[Westleigh]

I’m not sure about today but VK went to the dugout in the last game on every defensive set piece….who came out instead of him I’m unsure but this would suggest the set piece coach does both offensive and defensive .

Anyone seen the same thing?

He was even instructing them how to take throws ,and against Palace we had a free kick on the halfway line and Brownhill was turning round to him to see where he should put it.

[dougcollins]

It’s worth pointing out Arsenal had thirteen corners today and are the best set piece scorers in the league.

(Not that we can’t improve, but just giving some context)

To add to that, I can't believe how eagerly we conceded some of the corners today. Its almost like nobody on the coaching staff said to try and not give them easy corners.

[spt_claret]

The set piece coach is some lad he brought from Anderlecht who's got a sport science degree and slowly come through Anderlecht's backroom setup.
Never like to single people out for the chop but he's made us worse at setpieces than last year and that takes some doing. Seriously needs questions asking.

[Rileybobs]

To add to that, I can't believe how eagerly we conceded some of the corners today. Its almost like nobody on the coaching staff said to try and not give them easy corners.

I think we can get so much better at restricting the number of corners we concede. If we give Arsenal 13 corners I would bet a large amount of money that at least one would result I a goal against.

The second goal comes from a crap pass from O’Shea to Vitinho and poor control and strength - we sloppily lose possession in a good area of the pitch and 5 seconds later they are having a shot on goal.

[Blondeclaret]

I think everyone knows a set piece coach is there for offensive coaching not defending or he would be called an defensive coach

No, they are responsible for both areas. And they employ 2 of them!

[Blondeclaret]

The set piece coach is some lad he brought from Anderlecht who's got a sport science degree and slowly come through Anderlecht's backroom setup.
Never like to single people out for the chop but he's made us worse at setpieces than last year and that takes some doing. Seriously needs questions asking.

Well he should stick to sports science then and let the ex-players & coaches who have played the game take control.

[boatshed bill]

So who is responsible for the monstrosity of our defensive corner set up?

The defenders may have something to do with it.
Coaches coach, that's all. It's up to the players in the match.

[spt_claret]

Well he should stick to sports science then and let the ex-players & coaches who have played the game take control.

See I hate to sound like I'm arguing against my own initial post here but being an ex-pro is genuinely meaningless. Mourinho & Wenger never made it, McMenemy never played above nonleague, Dyche & Howe were lower league players but are better managers than Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney. Ferguson was a decent player but not worldie, was an elite manager.
Frankly the route into management already screens out people who weren't ex pros between the cost and time requirement of getting the UEFA Pro licence, outsiders sometimes bring fresh ideas which can be effective.
Whatever our failings may be at set pieces him not playing the game as a pro isn't the cause for it.

[Rileybobs]

Well he should stick to sports science then and let the ex-players & coaches who have played the game take control.

How do you know what his actual roles and responsibilities are? For all we know he may be performing well in his role. And any comments suggesting he should lose his job without knowing this are just crass.

[boatshed bill]

It's about time some of our armchair coaches put forward their ideas for improvement.

[Nori1958]

It's about time some of our armchair coaches put forward their ideas for improvement.

Please no..

There's enough dick waving on here without encouraging it

[boatshed bill]

Please no..

There's enough dick waving on here without encouraging it

But I enjoy a laugh.

[Funkydrummer]

I think he's still on paternity leave or something given how
shocking we are most of the time.

Needs a coat of looking at, that's for sure.

[Westleigh]

It’s starting to feel like John Bond Mark II ,he brought in all his pals and it all ended in tears .

[Bosscat]

It’s starting to feel like John Bond Mark II ,he brought in all his pals and it all ended in tears .

Jesus wept ...

[ClaretTony]

The set piece coach is some lad he brought from Anderlecht who's got a sport science degree and slowly come through Anderlecht's backroom setup.
Never like to single people out for the chop but he's made us worse at setpieces than last year and that takes some doing. Seriously needs questions asking.

I think you are referring to Eliot Tybebo who came in this summer but he works under Richard Bredice who arrived at the same time as Kompany.

I believe they are responsible for both offensive and defensive set pieces.

[spt_claret]

I think you are referring to Eliot Tybebo who came in this summer but he works under Richard Bredice who arrived at the same time as Kompany.

I believe they are responsible for both offensive and defensive set pieces.

It is him, but hadn't realised he worked under anyone else, cheers.

[northeastclaret]

Stat wise we may not have conceded a lot of goals from corners this season, but I seem to recall , like the Luton and Bournemouth matches lots of headers won by the opposition that went wide, but could easily have scored.

[dougcollins]

I think you are referring to Eliot Tybebo who came in this summer but he works under Richard Bredice who arrived at the same time as Kompany.

I believe they are responsible for both offensive and defensive set pieces.

So a Head Coach can just sit back and watch our corner defending carnage with his hands up saying 'Not my problem'?

[ClaretTony]

So a Head Coach can just sit back and watch our corner defending carnage with his hands up saying 'Not my problem'?

I wouldn’t have thought so. Ultimately the who coaching team work for the manager.

[boatshed bill]

Stat wise we may not have conceded a lot of goals from corners this season, but I seem to recall , like the Luton and Bournemouth matches lots of headers won by the opposition that went wide, but could easily have scored.

But didn't.
as defenders would see it that's the job done on that occasion.

[superdimitri]

Not sure if the commentator was right but apparently it was the first headed goal we conceded this season and against a team very good at corners.

I think the issue isn't with planning or training, but more about the lack of confidence in the goalkeeper and lack of partnerships between players. Part of the reason we did so well under Dyche was because we picked the same team each week so everyone knew their job. Our players just haven't gelled yet which isn't really surprising given how many signings we made.

A talker in goal would help but Trafford isn't quite there yet... And on top of that we don't have another player who will step up and organize us. We need more leaders on the pitch.