Wake up and smell the coffee.

[Westleigh]

Please VK smell the coffee ,you need to bin the goalkeeper,and the set piece coach or we will definitely go down,

[Nori1958]

Please VK smell the coffee ,you need to bin the goalkeeper,and the set piece coach or we will definitely go down,

It's Saturday evening and someone's left the asylum doors open again...

[Casper2]

It's Saturday evening and someone's left the asylum doors open again...

Better get back before they close them

[Nori1958]

Better get back before they close them

Go on then...run

[Kilson810]

It's Saturday evening and someone's left the asylum doors open again...

I didn't think that was a controversial post? Trafford is the weakest GK in the league and we concede from set pieces most weeks.

[BurnleyFC]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we’re going down regardless of whether we bin the set piece coach or drop Trafford.

[Tinribs]

Anyone Can see that the experiment to take a league 1 keeper and throw him into the premier league is a disaster.**** stopping yeh he’s ok,but is that not the minimum requirement for a keeper,any cross into the box and he is just useless doesn’t help having a back four that can’t even shield him because they are so weak.

[Casper2]

Go on then...run

Doesn’t quite work

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Anyone Can see that the experiment to take a league 1 keeper and throw him into the premier league is a disaster.**** stopping yeh he’s ok,but is that not the minimum requirement for a keeper,any cross into the box and he is just useless doesn’t help having a back four that can’t even shield him because they are so weak.

He’s doing nothing wrong

He’s man of the match

It’s the defences fault

Its the fans fault

Nothing he could do with that

He’s a good keeper

No chance with those shots

Muric wouldn’t have done better





Guarantee you will see all those posts tonight in some form or other.

[Dark Cloud]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we’re going down regardless of whether we bin the set piece coach or drop Trafford.

I also think this is true, but no team at any level should be conceding goals like that second one today. Arsenal will be laughing in the dressing room about scoring from there because it just doesn't happen in any league bar non league. And the knock on effect it has in totally knocking the stuffing out of the rest of the Burnley team who have fought so hard to drag themselves level against a top 2 side is the double whammy (as they say!)!

[Westleigh]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we’re going down regardless of whether we bin the set piece coach or drop Trafford.

Well VK’s rested (dropped everyone else )even Cullen they’re only one last thing to try.

[Nori1958]

He’s doing nothing wrong

He’s man of the match

It’s the defences fault

Its the fans fault

Nothing he could do with that

He’s a good keeper

No chance with those shots

Muric wouldn’t have done better





Guarantee you will see all those posts tonight in some form or other.

Probably not.....but the guarantee was that you'd be on spouting your grim views first.....you must be dreading us winning a game, what would you do with the time

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Probably not.....but the guarantee was that you'd be on spouting your grim views first.....you must be dreading us winning a game, what would you do with the time

So you’ve chosen

Its the fans fault

[123EasyasBFC]

Trafford has the shot stopping ability but he’s nowhere near the physical ability to play premier league football

[Westleigh]

Probably not.....but the guarantee was that you'd be on spouting your grim views first.....you must be dreading us winning a game, what would you do with the time

There are some real happy clappers on this board ,the guys just stating what the excuses have been for the last 3 months ,and they suddenly decide that he must want us to lose ,people post because they’re Burnley fans and are ****** off when we are losing week after week ,and the problem is there for all to see.

[StayingDown4Ever]

It's Saturday evening and someone's left the asylum doors open again...

Face it, he was garbage again.

The early player ratings on here have been dishing out 3’s and 4’s.

Not good enough and you are as deluded as Vincent is if you think he should continue to start for us.

[Nori1958]

So you’ve chosen

Its the fans fault

You come to some weird conclusions, where have I said that?

[bfcjg]

He needs dropping for his own sake and if VK cannot that he isn't the manager I thought he was.

[Nori1958]

Face it, he was garbage again.

The early player ratings on here have been dishing out 3’s and 4’s.

Not good enough and you are as deluded as Vincent is if you think he should continue to start for us.

And some 6s....people see things different

I've no great leaning towards either goalkeeper, my main gripe on here has been trying to point out that the goalkeeper is not the problem, whoever plays, but the muric lovers cannot see that....even though we didn't improve when he played.

[spt_claret]

At this stage it's honestly not about Trafford, it's about Kompany.
He's going to impair the lad's development if this keeps on, and it's poisoning the crowd too, which isn't going to do any wonders for atmosphere or home mentality. Not for a second saying the terraces should pick the team but it's beyond stubbornness this, it's an ostrich in the sand. Trafford WILL BE a very good goalkeeper if allowed to develop naturally. He's been thrown in too far at the deep end for pretty much any 21 year old keeper, is on double duty as shotstopper and creative sweeper, all while playing for a team naturally in a relegation battle where he's guaranteed to be exposed and pressured more than any other keeper except Luton's and maybe Sheffield's.
If Muric comes in and has a couple of mares, it changes nothing when we're getting pumped anyway. If anything it eases the pressure on Trafford.
If Muric comes in and we improve, brilliant, we're getting points, doing better, and Trafford's no longer expected to be the main man in the nets at 21 years old and is given more time to naturally adjust given he was playing 2 tiers below this just 6 months ago.
It's best for Muric, Trafford, the team, and the crowd, to rotate the keeper at this point. It's not the same context as the Joe Hart Moment but it's similar, it's all on 1 person to see it.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

You come to some weird conclusions, where have I said that?

Your blaming me for reporting back on what I have seen

Anyway maybe it’s time for your full disclosure about your relationship to our failing keeper, dad, cousin, lover, uncle, dog groomer , grounds person, care taker ?

[bumba]

And some 6s....people see things different

I've no great leaning towards either goalkeeper, my main gripe on here has been trying to point out that the goalkeeper is not the problem, whoever plays, but the muric lovers cannot see that....even though we didn't improve when he played.

Just give it up mate

[Elizabeth]

And some 6s....people see things different

I've no great leaning towards either goalkeeper, my main gripe on here has been trying to point out that the goalkeeper is not the problem, whoever plays, but the muric lovers cannot see that....even though we didn't improve when he played.

You really watched that today and just shrugged off Trafford's pathetic attempt at that cross just after we were celebrating our equaliser. Good on you

[StayingDown4Ever]

As each week passes I grow more certain that Nori must be related to Trafford.

Defending the indefensible at times this guy.

[Boss Hogg]

Nori 1958 getting upset again at any criticism of any Burnley player or anything about the club. I’m not sure a message board is for you.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

As each week passes I grow more certain that Nori must be related to Trafford.

Defending the indefensible at times this guy.

Either that or he’s shagging him

[Nori1958]

You really watched that today and just shrugged off Trafford's pathetic attempt at that cross just after we were celebrating our equaliser. Good on you

No I didn't....and have never said I did

[SalisburyClaret]

Strange how the first half of last season gets forgotten- lots of fans complaining about Muric not coming for crosses/ not being strong enough for a big lad etc.
Sounds familiar
VK put Roberts on the line to stop him being bullied and he improved rapidly after that.

[Kilson810]

Probably not.....but the guarantee was that you'd be on spouting your grim views first.....you must be dreading us winning a game, what would you do with the time

We all want Trafford to do well, but he is poor at the minute and that's a fact. Granted he's not the only one who is poor but we have a replacement waiting in the wings. We are going down sticking with a GK who gets dominated on crosses like he does.

[Nori1958]

Either that or he’s shagging him

Didn't take long for the childish abuse to Start...I bet you're really proud of yourself.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Didn't take long for the childish abuse to Start...I bet you're really proud of yourself.

I just want you to own up what your relationship is with him that’s all then we can understand why you’re so protective of him.

[Jimmymaccer]

I’m no tactical genius but one again the opposition put a man in front of Trafford (Rice)…. We have no one protecting him?

[boatshed bill]

Lucky for me I completely missed the game today.
But I've just watched the highlights. My first observation is that Amdouni (good player up field) shouldn't be allowed in our penalty area under any circumstances.

[KRBFC]

We conceded a soft corner at Everton with Muric in the nets, I like Muric but are we gonna pretend Muric is great from corners? It’s his biggest weakness.

[Nori1958]

I just want you to own up what your relationship is with him that’s all then we can understand why you’re so protective of him.

Seriously???

Protective

What about other posters pointing out the same things?....all family members?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Seriously???

Protective

What about other posters pointing out the same things?....all family members?

There’s only about 3 of you so not beyond the realms of possibility.

[box_of_frogs]

The only thing I’m concerned about is beating Derby’s record. After that. I’ll take the probable relegation any day.

[Nori1958]

There’s only about 3 of you so not beyond the realms of possibility.

Obviously maths isn't your strongest point

But to keep my blood pressure in check iam blocking you and you can aim your childish insults at somebody else

[CryerBFC]

I genuinely believe Nori just comes on here to annoy posters by just arguing any point made.

I didn’t see the game today, luckily, but having read quite a bit on here, including the ratings, added to every other game I’ve seen this season. Muric has to be given a chance. He’s given everyone else a chance, barring striker for injuries, but not the GK.

If Trafford is in the line up against Sheff Utd, I’ll be seriously worried. They bullied Muric last season, and Trafford is a lot less imposing.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I genuinely believe Nori just comes on here to annoy posters by just arguing any point made.

I didn’t see the game today, luckily, but having read quite a bit on here, including the ratings, added to every other game I’ve seen this season. Muric has to be given a chance. He’s given everyone else a chance, barring striker for injuries, but not the GK.

If Trafford is in the line up against Sheff Utd, I’ll be seriously worried. They bullied Muric last season, and Trafford is a lot less imposing.

Yeah he comes across as a weird bastards fan that just gets a kick out of arguing with people, definitely a troll. Just ignore him.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It's quite amiable watching a certain couple of posters twist and contort in their efforts to defend the indefensible

[Foshiznik]

I’m one of the described “happy clappers” who has defended Trafford all season, but he needs taken out of the firing line. Too many fans are putting everything negative about our performances on him, whilst ignoring poor defending and the fact Muric isn’t Manuel Neuer, but if it stops the negative and toxic atmosphere and creates an environment for the team to grow, then it makes sense to give Muric a chance.

[Big Vinny K]

We conceded a soft corner at Everton with Muric in the nets, I like Muric but are we gonna pretend Muric is great from corners? It’s his biggest weakness.

Did you expect Muric to mark Tarks as he peeled off at the back post and nobody bothered to go with him ?

Let’s just say it as it is.
That second goal today was absolutely shocking goal keeping.
Every player needs the benefit of making a few mistakes - especially in the style we play. But allowing a player to stand next to you and head the ball in when you have the advantage of being able to use your hands is indefensible. It’s got nothing to do with our style of play and it’s got very little to do with Arsenal being good at set pieces either. It’s the most basic of requirements for a keeper.

I kind of agree that Muric is also pretty poor at commanding his area and coming for crosses. But if Muric made the mistake that Trafford did today then I would expect Muric to be dropped too. And the reason Saliba stood where he did was very clearly because it’s not the first time it’s happened this season.

Not sure you can blame a defensive or set piece coach either….nobody is coaching Trafford to do that.

[Belgianclaret]

I’m no tactical genius but one again the opposition put a man in front of Trafford (Rice)…. We have no one protecting him?

If our goalie would give anyone standing in his area a good shove before the corner kick or free kick is being taken and let the ref know they he’s being impeded, then surely they’d be less inclined to pursue

[dougcollins]

If our goalie would give anyone standing in his area a good shove before the corner kick or free kick is being taken and let the ref know they he’s being impeded, then surely they’d be less inclined to pursue

No keeper was ever prosecuted for fouling anyone, ever, at a corner. Come out and take the lot. If you can't do that, you need to go.

[Westleigh]

No keeper was ever prosecuted for fouling anyone, ever, at a corner. Come out and take the lot. If you can't do that, you need to go.

Oh for Adam Blacklaw.

[JimmyRobbo]

I just want you to own up what your relationship is with him that’s all then we can understand why you’re so protective of him.

How old are you?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

How old are you?

Weird question

[Darthlaw]

Weird question

Anyway maybe it’s time for your full disclosure about your relationship to our failing keeper, dad, cousin, lover, uncle, dog groomer , grounds person, care taker ?

Irony

[Jamesy]

No keeper was ever prosecuted for fouling anyone, ever, at a corner. Come out and take the lot. If you can't do that, you need to go.

And whilst he is at it Doug we could do with someone with the battling abilities of your username. He could put it about a bit Doug Collins. Definitely had the minerals for a scrap.