Barnsley Horsham FA Cup

[claretonthecoast1882]

Barnsley have been kicked out the FA Cup and Horsham back in after fielding an ineligible player.

Didn't a team recently get done with this but had to replay the game rather than kicked out ?

[ClaretTony]

Barnsley have been kicked out the FA Cup and Horsham back in after fielding an ineligible player.

Didn't a team recently get done with this but had to replay the game rather than kicked out ?

Don’t get to replay the game, it’s automatic that you are expelled. I just assumed that Sutton would get a bye though rather than Horsham going back in.

[Vegas Claret]

how utterly inept do you have to be to field a player that shouldn't be playing ?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Don’t get to replay the game, it’s automatic that you are expelled. I just assumed that Sutton would get a bye though rather than Horsham going back in.

Just googled it, it was Liverpool in the league cup back in 2019. They got fined

[Quickenthetempo]

Barnsley have been kicked out the FA Cup and Horsham back in after fielding an ineligible player.

Didn't a team recently get done with this but had to replay the game rather than kicked out ?

Chesterfield Vs Stockport

[claptrappers_union]

Bury were kicked out too before they went bump.

[claretburns]

how utterly inept do you have to be to field a player that shouldn't be playing ?

Weren't we very close to doing the same a couple of years ago, possibly League Cup, but our opponents let us know of the error?

[jrgbfc]

Weren't we very close to doing the same a couple of years ago, possibly League Cup, but our opponents let us know of the error?

Think it was Bournemouth on the Turf in the FA cup, behind closed doors season. Summed up our approach to cup games under Dyche.

[dsr]

how utterly inept do you have to be to field a player that shouldn't be playing ?

Usually very inept, but sometimes it's just bad luck. Altrincham one season lost virtually all their points for fielding an ineligible player all season long. They had signed him from Accrington Stanley and he hadn't had international clearance.

(Not a joke. Before Accrington signed him, he had played a summer in Iceland and Accrington didn't realise he needed international clearance to come back. But Accrington didn't play him, and when Altrincham signed him from Accy, they didn't realise that he still needed internatinal clearance!)

[Vegas Claret]

Weren't we very close to doing the same a couple of years ago, possibly League Cup, but our opponents let us know of the error?

as I said, inept !

[Vegas Claret]

Usually very inept, but sometimes it's just bad luck. Altrincham one season lost virtually all their points for fielding an ineligible player all season long. They had signed him from Accrington Stanley and he hadn't had international clearance.

(Not a joke. Before Accrington signed him, he had played a summer in Iceland and Accrington didn't realise he needed international clearance to come back. But Accrington didn't play him, and when Altrincham signed him from Accy, they didn't realise that he still needed internatinal clearance!)

but how did they not know he needed International clearance ? It's proper basic stuff !!!!

[RickyBobby]

Usually very inept, but sometimes it's just bad luck. Altrincham one season lost virtually all their points for fielding an ineligible player all season long. They had signed him from Accrington Stanley and he hadn't had international clearance.

(Not a joke. Before Accrington signed him, he had played a summer in Iceland and Accrington didn't realise he needed international clearance to come back. But Accrington didn't play him, and when Altrincham signed him from Accy, they didn't realise that he still needed internatinal clearance!)

That isn’t bad luck that is inept HR. A professional football club should be able to employ someone to make sure all employee paperwork is in order. Same with Barnsley. Someone at the club should know the competition rules and what is/isn’t required.

[dsr]

That isn’t bad luck that is inept HR. A professional football club should be able to employ someone to make sure all employee paperwork is in order. Same with Barnsley. Someone at the club should know the competition rules and what is/isn’t required.

In theory every non-league club ought to be checking that every transfer, even from Accrington, has proper international clearance for the transfer. In practice, perhaps it's not so obvious.

[timshorts]

Quite a bit of muddled up stuff on here.
1. Barnsley recalled somebody from a loan between the date of the original game and the replay. In the replay, you can only play players that were eligible for the first game. He was out on loan for the first game, so couldn't play in the second. Barnsley played him anyway.
2. The fa send out a reminder of this and some of the other rules every year to the club secretary. Admittedly, it is about 5 years since I was getting one of these, but it is written in fairly basic English, and some of the players and some of the other officials generally know that too.
3. They are easier to understand for league clubs than non-league clubs. Barnsley are unlikely to have dual registered players (which is where it gets a bit more complex), whereas Horsham - who were in the same league as my lot for a bit - probably do have.
4. There are options available to the fa, depending on the problem, the conduct of the parties, etc.
5. The Chesterfield game was at mk dons away. Chesterfield surprisingly won the first game 0-1. They had sought permission from wolves to play on loan defender George margaritte, and had filed their papers. Mk dons were aware. Unfortunately, wolves either didn't file their consent or it didn't get there in time. Having understood the position, mk dons agreed that the game would be replayed and the fa, realising that the error wasn't really with Chesterfield, even though they had effectively broken the rules, agreed. Match replayed (ie played again, not there was a replay) and Chesterfield won at mk dons 1-2. I was at both games. Dele Ali played in the first and looked innocuous. Their other striker was miles better.
6. On the other hand, Chesham deliberately fielded an ineligible player (the next season, I think). They then lied about it, but evidence showed that the person playing full back was a ringer - someone on Wycombe wanderers books playing under a false name who had once been a child character in eastenders. They were kicked out and banned from fa cup competitions for 5 years. The ban was extended for their duplicity. Coincidentally, I was at that game too.

[gc14]

I know a gutted Barnsley fan , he has 2 grounds to complete the current 92 .. AFC Wimbledon's new stadium and Sutton who now face
Horsham in round 2 !!

[timshorts]

My apologies to Chesham for my post above. It was Amersham, not Chesham that did the dirty. I know the two are close to one another, but I shouldn't have got that wrong. Chesham are a nice club, and were particularly good to Merthyr when we had to go there one year with a team (almost) made up of schoolkids, even giving our goalkeper man of the match after he had let in about 8.

And to the gutted Barnsley fan, don't worry about ticking off Sutton. They might not count next season anyway. Their ground was nicer to visit when they were ****.

[ClaretTony]

how utterly inept do you have to be to field a player that shouldn't be playing ?

Mistakes happen. We were within minutes of doing it for the FA Cup tie v Bournemouth in 2021 but made a late change just before kick off. It’s not utterly inept at all, anyone can make a mistake.

[gandhisflipflop]

Mistakes happen. We were within minutes of doing it for the FA Cup tie v Bournemouth in 2021 but made a late change just before kick off. It’s not utterly inept at all, anyone can make a mistake.

I’m hindsight we may as well have fielded the player

[Vegas Claret]

Mistakes happen. We were within minutes of doing it for the FA Cup tie v Bournemouth in 2021 but made a late change just before kick off. It’s not utterly inept at all, anyone can make a mistake.

You sign a player to a contract, you know if he has international clearance, you should know who is banned, you should know who can play. It's about as basic as you can get. You can't describe something so incredibly simple as anything other than inept. It's not a mistake, it's not being armed with basic info.

[ClaretTony]

You sign a player to a contract, you know if he has international clearance, you should know who is banned, you should know who can play. It's about as basic as you can get. You can't describe something so incredibly simple as anything other than inept. It's not a mistake, it's not being armed with basic info.

It’s a mistake, just as it was with us in 2021, although different circumstances.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

My apologies to Chesham for my post above. It was Amersham, not Chesham that did the dirty. I know the two are close to one another, but I shouldn't have got that wrong. Chesham are a nice club, and were particularly good to Merthyr when we had to go there one year with a team (almost) made up of schoolkids, even giving our goalkeper man of the match after he had let in about 8.

And to the gutted Barnsley fan, don't worry about ticking off Sutton. They might not count next season anyway. Their ground was nicer to visit when they were ****.

I played for Chesham as reserve GK in the 80s. Nice club.

[Claretincraven]

Having thrown out Barnsley out of the FA Cup for fielding an ineligible player, the FA have ordered Forest Green Rovers to replay their game for doing exactly the same thing. Now that’s consistency for you.

[dsr]

Having thrown out Barnsley out of the FA Cup for fielding an ineligible player, the FA have ordered Forest Green Rovers to replay their game for doing exactly the same thing. Now that’s consistency for you.

They haven't said what the circumstances are. Barnsley played a player who was unquestionably ineligible according to the rules, and if they had read the rules possibly they would have known that. Perhaps Forest Green was a bit more grey area? Perhaps Forest Green had been told by the FA that he was OK to play?