Match Thread - Wolves v Burnley

[Papabendi]

We are bread and butter for established Premier League teams. Very nice to play against. There will be at least one major defensive mistake a game presenting a key opportunity. Whilst at the other end even when we do create clear cut chances we find them hard to convert.

[Elizabeth]

No disappointment from me there.

Are you willing to share the medicine you are on? How can you not be disappointed ?

[scamander]

We play well at points but what I see is teams just managing us. Let us have possession, perhaps we create a chance but they know we'll play to a system which we don't have the skill for.

Just have their midfielders or forwards wait for the obvious mis pass or such around our own box. Kerching.

They can then press us higher because we don't offer any threat behind them. Remember Tella receiving those long passes when the opposition pushed up to high? Where's that type of threat?

[Billyblah]

3-3

Yup Arsenal have had to equalise.
I'm thinking that Luton have more 'fight ' in them than our team has.

[Rick_Muller]

Yup Arsenal have had to equalise.
I'm thinking that Luton have more 'fight ' in them than our team has.

Don’t conflate aggression with fight

[JimmyRobbo]

That's a blow.

Being fair to Luton, they really do give it a good go. Raya been poor for the 2nd and 3rd. Trafford would have been mudered for it had he made those!

Still 30 plus IT. Time for loads more!

Still think Arsenal will do enough to win.

[Taffy on the wing]

Just like Muric would? Turn agenda mode off then post again.

I disagree with your viewpoint.

[CoolClaret]

"Backwards" but "Same old"?

We are miles better than we were earlier in the season. We are desperate for a goalscorer. We are getting there. We might still go down but we are not going backwards.

As in, Saturday we took a step forward and needed to back it up tonight to show we could play a game of footy against an established PL team and not **** ourselves basically.

And we didn’t. So yeah backwards and same old for the season.

[Royboyclaret]

Smashing bloke JBG, but no longer offers anything on the pitch.

Why can Kompany not see that ?

[Belgianclaret]

We sometimes seem to be inviting them to press high up the pitch by holding the ball in our keeper’s feet. But one bad pass spells immediate danger

[Elizabeth]

Because we think we're playing the right way.

You know , I think we are playing the right way. The thing is we have players who aren't good enough to play that way. I don't blame Kompany because the likes of Berge are nearly good enough . Unfortunately his mistake cost us and it was only 1-0 which makes his mistake so pertinent.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

From full throttle to passing backwards add Infinitum again!

[Colburn_Claret]

Luton are nowhere near our level.
What they do have is a team of battlers, that give everything and never give up.
If we had half their fight we'd be midtable.
Good luck to them I say, if it keeps them up they deserve it.
If we go down we'll have deserved it.

[jedi_master]

We lost 1-0 due to a terrible mix up. A draw would have been a fair and excellent result for us. We competed well, had plenty of set pieces and missed a very good chance. Such a shame that the O’Shea/Berge (I think both are equally culpable) has cost us what would have been a well earned point.

Personally think it’s crazy to tar this match with the brush of the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth, Newcastle etc. We were decent, particularly first half. Disappointed of course, but the levels of performance were there when you take a step back.

[Tricky Trevor]

I was bored by the p1ssing about at the back last season but the goals we scored made it fade into history. I’m still bored with it and as far as I can see we never gain an advantage from it. At least, last season, Muric could pick a long pass. This fella is shocking at every pass he attempts.
Once again our defence have played solidly and been let down by the madness imposed on them by management.
Dyche was stubborn VK is far worse and needs to take a look in the mirror.
THIS IS NOT WORKING.

[warksclaret]

Gary O Neil just summed it up. Hwang took his chance calmly, Burnley missed theirs

[Belgianclaret]

Bar the bad goal we conceded I actually thought we had a very decent first half

[Elizabeth]

When will the level of performance equate to points jedi ?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Highlights just showed the double save, and we turned it over just like they did. Difference is, Hwang scored, Jay didn’t.

We are missing Foster very badly. In January if he isn’t back we need a replacement.

Not much in the game otherwise. We are the first team they played at home who weren’t top 8 last year. They willdo well.

[ksrclaret]

We lost 1-0 due to a terrible mix up. A draw would have been a fair and excellent result for us. We competed well, had plenty of set pieces and missed a very good chance. Such a shame that the O’Shea/Berge (I think both are equally culpable) has cost us what would have been a well earned point.

Personally think it’s crazy to tar this match with the brush of the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth, Newcastle etc. We were decent, particularly first half. Disappointed of course, but the levels of performance were there when you take a step back.

The problem is we need to win these games now after our horror shows earlier in the season.

We might have done okay in parts tonight, as we have done since November, but we're still losing these games and the season will be over for us in February.

[JimmyRobbo]

As in, Saturday we took a step forward and needed to back it up tonight to show we could play a game of footy against an established PL team and not **** ourselves basically.

And we didn’t. So yeah backwards and same old for the season.

I think we're much improved over the early games. We look much stronger and I don't think we **** ourselves despite giving them that goal. I share your disappointment and frustration, though. I hoped for at least a point.

[CoolClaret]

We lost 1-0 due to a terrible mix up

* stemming from the tactics and patterns of play instilled by the manager.

Dycheism here but this league really does have ‘fine margins’ and if we make it easy for the opposition - even just once a game then we will drop on a whimper.

[Elizabeth]

THIS IS NOT WORKING.

Everyone knows I've been ultra critical tonight but I don't think it's not working. I'm sick to the back teeth of individual mistakes undermining performances.

[boatshed bill]

The problem is we need to win these games now after our horror shows earlier in the season.

We might have done okay in parts tonight, as we have done since November, but we're still losing these games and the season will be over for us in February.

We will turn it around, keep the faith.

[BabylonClaret]

Dawson is there every single time, wish he didn't play against us!

If we'd signed him back in the day he'd have been a huge player for us

[Foshiznik]

Could really do with a goalscoring striker. Wouldn’t be a half bad team if we had one and could work on our defensive/on ball lapses

[Newcastleclaret93]

Smashing bloke JBG, but no longer offers anything on the pitch.

Why can Kompany not see that ?

Isn’t he statistically our most creative player this season?

For example on Saturday he created 5 chances

[scamander]

Luton are nowhere near our level.
What they do have is a team of battlers, that give everything and never give up.
If we had half their fight we'd be midtable.
Good luck to them I say, if it keeps them up they deserve it.
If we go down we'll have deserved it.

I'm not sure it's about battling and passion all the time. Edwards is a very good coach and had a system which was more akin to the rough and ready style of the Championship which does cause Prem teams trouble. The players know their roles and don't seem to be asked to do anything outside their ability.

We play a style which is much easier for Prem teams to break down. We aren't overly physical and have players being asked to do roles which they don't seem able to do at this level. Luton maximise every aspect of their game and if they go down they will do so having done as much as they can. If we are relegated, which looks very probable given our record after 15 matches, there will have been missed opportunities to regret.

[boatshed bill]

If we'd signed him back in the day he'd have been a huge player for us

Yes, why didn't we get him? I thought at one time it was virtually a done deal

[wbfc]

Likely to get beat at Brighton makes Everton must win to some degree

[jedi_master]

When will the level of performance equate to points jedi ?

It might not this season, if we’re not good enough we’re not good enough. They are definitely doing the maximum they can and I think (barring Beyer and Foster) that is our best eleven possible.

I can’t ask more of them than that personally - but I’m relaxed about the prospect of relegation so I realise others may feel differently.

[Spijed]

It might not this season, if we’re not good enough we’re not good enough. They are definitely doing the maximum they can and I think (barring Beyer and Foster) that is our best eleven possible.

I can’t ask more of them than that personally - but I’m relaxed about the prospect of relegation so I realise others may feel differently.

Even if Luton stop up?

[warksclaret]

Just hope Foster has not been watching tonight. It could put his recovery back a few months

[boatshed bill]

Even if Luton stop up?

They won't.

[CoolClaret]

Everyone knows I've been ultra critical tonight but I don't think it's not working. I'm sick to the back teeth of individual mistakes undermining performances.

But we are going to have individual mistakes with the lads that we're playing (as every team not called Man City are) when under pressure against teams that are very athletic and good at pressing,

It's ******* in the wind.

VK has to tamper some of that stuff. By all means when we're playing Luton at home we can do that sort of thing but not against good sides away in the league.

[jedi_master]

Even if Luton stop up?

Why would I care who stops up at our expense? If Luton shithouse their way to survival then fair play to them. They’ll probably get relegated next season and we’ll probably get promoted.

I don’t think they will stay up though - a bit like Blackpool (or us under Coyle) and a few others over the years, they’re having a purple patch start (yet are about two points ahead of us…) which will slowly erode into consecutive defeats. Just my opinion..

[BurnleyFC]

I hope Luton beat Arsenal.

Fair play to them.

[ksrclaret]

Why would I care who stops up at our expense? If Luton shithouse their way to survival then fair play to them. They’ll probably get relegated next season and we’ll probably get promoted.

We'll probably finish top 10 this season, we'll be alright when we play teams around us, we'll be alright once we get a good run of games in November, we'll get promoted next season...

[jedi_master]

We'll probably finish top 10 this season, we'll be alright when we play teams around us, we'll be alright once we get a good run of games in November, we'll get promoted next season...

If that’s meant to be a quote of me, you’re very much mistaken.

I felt the exact opposite to all of that, and said so repeatedly - not the last line though. It would be promotion at a canter, as long as Kompany is retained.

[BabylonClaret]

You know , I think we are playing the right way. The thing is we have players who aren't good enough to play that way. I don't blame Kompany because the likes of Berge are nearly good enough . Unfortunately his mistake cost us and it was only 1-0 which makes his mistake so pertinent.

Ffs give that a rest - it was a fu king suite idea pass to him. Kompan said it watching the replay except he does t really want to call out the individual error.

Shame as O Shea was much much better again.

[Royboyclaret]

Will their keeper even need a shower ?

[ArmchairDetective]

Well that was frustrating. Thought we'd started to cut out the individual errors. Hopefully just a momentary slip and we're still on an upward curve.

[ksrclaret]

If that’s meant to be a quote of me, you’re very much mistaken.

I felt the exact opposite to all of that, and said so repeatedly - not the last line though. It would be promotion at a canter, as long as Kompany is retained.

Not you personally, just lines we've heard a lot this season and when one proves to be wrong, the next one is trotted out with just as much confidence.

We might well win the league at a canter again, but then again we might not. Relegation after spending £100m isn't just something to brush off.

[warksclaret]

Any team that can draw v Liverpool and score 3 v Arsenal and be holding them 3-3 , has the quality to scrap themselves out of relegation

[BabylonClaret]

Highlights just showed the double save, and we turned it over just like they did. Difference is, Hwang scored, Jay didn’t.

We are missing Foster very badly. In January if he isn’t back we need a replacement.

Not much in the game otherwise. We are the first team they played at home who weren’t top 8 last year. They willdo well.

I think we need a striker anyway to build for the future - this is probably Jays last season as a regular starter, if not completely

[Elizabeth]

It might not this season, if we’re not good enough we’re not good enough. They are definitely doing the maximum they can and I think (barring Beyer and Foster) that is our best eleven possible.

I can’t ask more of them than that personally - but I’m relaxed about the prospect of relegation so I realise others may feel differently.

Fair enough, I wish I did.

[jedi_master]

We might well win the league at a canter again, but then again we might not. Relegation after spending £100m isn't just something to brush off.

Fully agree with that and I’m not brushing it off, there will undoubtedly have to be sales (Amdouni and Koleosho perhaps) but after all the concerns last time I will take it as it comes should the worst happen.

[scouseclaret]

We lost 1-0 due to a terrible mix up. A draw would have been a fair and excellent result for us. We competed well, had plenty of set pieces and missed a very good chance. Such a shame that the O’Shea/Berge (I think both are equally culpable) has cost us what would have been a well earned point.

Personally think it’s crazy to tar this match with the brush of the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth, Newcastle etc. We were decent, particularly first half. Disappointed of course, but the levels of performance were there when you take a step back.

You’re kidding yourself. It doesn’t matter how good we look, even when we’re playing well we don’t create enough, and we aren’t good enough to build the sustained pressure that often leads to a goal. Teams know they can allow us to have the ball and wait for the inevitable gifting of a goal which will allow them to manage the game out easily. It was the a same against Palace, West Ham and even Arsenal.

It doesn’t matter how much pretty football you play. When you’re not good enough to score goals and repeatedly give them away, there’s only going to be one outcome.

[Elizabeth]

Ffs give that a rest - it was a fu king suite idea pass to him. Kompan said it watching the replay except he does t really want to call out the individual error.

Shame as O Shea was much much better again.

So really Kompany didn't apportion blame. That's to be accepted from a manager

Berger quite clearly is to blame for control in a threatening position not befitting a PL player in a team facing relegation

That's why we are going down

[Westleigh]

Luton let goal in in last min of injury time and lose 4-3