Kompany on January signings

[Kilson810]

Copy and pasted from BBC:

Burnley manager Vincent Kompany on whether he has plans to bring in new players in January: "The squad is fairly large, we don’t have unlimited resources. I think if we can find a way to improve the squad drastically we will do that but if it's to add numbers, we won't do that. They would have to be real needs. There's a couple of positions we don’t have good numbers but a few we have good numbers.

"I think it depends on a number of things, I don’t see how we could drastically go out there and spend our way into staying in this division. We'll maybe look at a combination of one or two smart deals if we find them. But there might be an opportunity but the thing for us now is the players we have and keeping their progress levels up."

[beddie]

He probably needs to get a few out on loan first, preferably where the loan club pays their wages.

[Herts Clarets]

We must have a few wingers we can either sell or loan out and sign players in the areas we are desperately short. Right back, centre back (unless Ekdal is going to be fully fit) and centre forward (even if Foster comes back we need another)

[ElectroClaret]

If the January recruitment is going to be anything like the rather uninspiring summer acquisitions, probably best not bothering and save some dosh.

[Westleigh]

We must have a few wingers we can either sell or loan out and sign players in the areas we are desperately short. Right back, centre back (unless Ekdal is going to be fully fit) and centre forward (even if Foster comes back we need another)

We’re down to our last six wingers.

[Quickenthetempo]

He's come on leaps and bounds in politician speak since he arrived here.
He was quite open about things when he arrived.

[DCWat]

Moving some on, be that on permanent or loan deals, is the starting point. From there we really need to be looking at full backs, central midfield and a striker.

If there are some incomings, I hope that at least one is an experienced, drag the team by the scruff of the neck type player. The way our heads seem to drop when we go a goal behind is a real concern.

The most dangerous time against a lot of teams is right after scoring against them. After scoring against us, most teams can pop their slippers on and spark up a cigar!

[Foshiznik]

We must have a few wingers we can either sell or loan out and sign players in the areas we are desperately short. Right back, centre back (unless Ekdal is going to be fully fit) and centre forward (even if Foster comes back we need another)

I'd say left back is probably more of a need than right back, given we only have one of them in our squad.

[getbennyon]

I wouldn't give him a penny, the future of Burnley Football Club is far more important.

[fidelcastro]

The more Kompany speaks, the more convinced I am that he hasn't got a clue.

Worrying times.

[BobSykes]

As good as accepted we'll be relegated there.

Not that there is any doubt about that of course!

[Murger]

He’s spunked so much money in this window, I’d be weary about what he gets in January.

[Benson]

If the January recruitment is going to be anything like the rather uninspiring summer acquisitions, probably best not bothering and save some dosh.

by ElectroClaret
Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:12 pm
Forum: The Bee Hole End
Topic: our transfer spending
Replies: 88
Views: 4483
Re: our transfer spending
Fabulous.

Hindsight’s a wonderful thing.

[gandhisflipflop]

As good as accepted we'll be relegated there.

Not that there is any doubt about that of course!

Some will literally read what they want and have the most bizarre interpretations

[Swizzlestick]

Some will literally read what they want and have the most bizarre interpretations

So weird. Said absolutely nothing wrong or particularly out of the ordinary there.

[burnley007]

He speaks very well. I absolutely get the feeling that all the players are on side with his vision.

Maybe some guys on here would be far better managers, but unfortunately we'll have to make do with Vincent Kompany.

[brexit]

Moving some on, be that on permanent or loan deals, is the starting point. From there we really need to be looking at full backs, central midfield and a striker.

If there are some incomings, I hope that at least one is an experienced, drag the team by the scruff of the neck type player. The way our heads seem to drop when we go a goal behind is a real concern.

The most dangerous time against a lot of teams is right after scoring against them. After scoring against us, most teams can pop their slippers on and spark up a cigar!

Probably easier to say what we don't need.

[FeedTheArf]

I'd be absolutely amazed if Kompany isn't after a left-back in January.

His focus should be an additional striker.

[Westleigh]

I'd be absolutely amazed if Kompany isn't after a left-back in January.

His focus should be an additional striker.

Left back’s probably been one of the least problem area as unexpectedly Taylor is doing ok.

[FeedTheArf]

Left back’s probably been one of the least problem area as unexpectedly Taylor is doing ok.

I agree, but he was pretty determined to get one in the summer and he took a long time to start using Taylor this season

[IanMcL]

Taylor is doing expectedly well.

If Harry Kane fancies a change, that might be worth a pint.

[StayingDown4Ever]

I'd be absolutely amazed if Kompany isn't after a left-back in January.

His focus should be an additional striker.

I’d say the priority is:

Striker
Goalkeeper (assuming he’s got it in for Muric)
Centre midfielder
Leftback

[DCWat]

Probably easier to say what we don't need.

I’m not sure that’s the case, to be honest.

We aren’t that far away from a pretty decent and well balanced squad. The most frustrating part is that the funds were there to ensure a balanced squad.

In previous seasons, being a few players short of a genuinely decent squad, was due to budget constraints. This season, such an excuse doesn’t wash.

It’s been done to death, but that’s because the summer dealings look more and more baffling each week. We’ve massively underestimated the league that we are in, assumed that we can throw in a plethora of wingers from foreign leagues and be competitive.

Kompany has to be backed and given more time, but bloody hell, he needs to start restoring some of his credits from last season.

[Goody1975]

Left back becomes an issue if Taylor gets injured, the Maatsen role (more attacking full back) probably needs to be done at right back.

If I'm picking our best XI I put Taylor in without hesitation, the right back berth has a massive next to it.

Also there appears to be a serious lack of left backs in the current climate, it may be easier to find what we want/need on the other side.

[Goody1975]

His focus should be an additional striker.

Foster needing some time out to get well has affected us but we knew he'd be missing when the AFCON is on anyway.

[brexit]

I’m not sure that’s the case, to be honest.

We aren’t that far away from a pretty decent and well balanced squad. The most frustrating part is that the funds were there to ensure a balanced squad.

In previous seasons, being a few players short of a genuinely decent squad, was due to budget constraints. This season, such an excuse doesn’t wash.

It’s been done to death, but that’s because the summer dealings look more and more baffling each week. We’ve massively underestimated the league that we are in, assumed that we can throw in a plethora of wingers from foreign leagues and be competitive.

Kompany has to be backed and given more time, but bloody hell, he needs to start restoring some of his credits from last season.

I think many on this board disagree with you. I take the view (naively) it depends on the formation VK wants to employ. i.e 4-4-2 at present we are missing the 2 strikers.

[brexit]

Left back becomes an issue if Taylor gets injured, the Maatsen role (more attacking full back) probably needs to be done at right back.

If I'm picking our best XI I put Taylor in without hesitation, the right back berth has a massive next to it.

Also there appears to be a serious lack of left backs in the current climate, it may be easier to find what we want/need on the other side.

Does playing 3 at the back and some variation on 5-3-2 solve this problem by virtue of Roberts and vitiniho being more suited to being wingbacks?

[gandhisflipflop]

Left back’s probably been one of the least problem area as unexpectedly Taylor is doing ok.

He has had to change the system in order to make use of Taylor at left back. It’s one of the major reasons for our inconsistency to date. Make no mistake, we will be after a left back to quickly get back to our style of play from last season.


Btw this isn’t a dig on Taylor btw he has done well in this new system.

[FeedTheArf]

He has had to change the system in order to make use of Taylor at left back. It’s one of the major reasons for our inconsistency to date. Make no mistake, we will be after a left back to quickly get back to our style of play from last season.


Btw this isn’t a dig on Taylor btw he has done well in this new system.

I think this talk of Taylor not being able to play 'the system' is a fallacy.

'The system' is conceding roughly 2.2 goals a game at the minute, so taking our best defender (who I think Taylor is when playing left-back) out of the equation for presumably a more attacking player in the Maatsen mould is bonkers.

[Pickles]

I think this talk of Taylor not being able to play 'the system' is a fallacy.

The fact the system has had to change to accommodate Taylor sort of proves it isn't a fallacy.

[FeedTheArf]

The fact the system has had to change to accommodate Taylor sort of proves it isn't a fallacy.

What has demonstrably changed?

[jojomk1]

I doubt there will be any permanent signings in Jan
Given our current league position decent experienced players are highly unlikely to want to commit to a permanent deal especially if relegation clauses are inserted
And we certainly don't need any more inexperienced players at the club
Our current squad consists of 39 players inc those out on loan and with relegation a strong possibility we are going to have to trim these numbers down substantially for next season
Further loans seems the only way to strengthen this Jan and then you come up against the rules re how many loans can play at one time
Interesting times

[gandhisflipflop]

What has demonstrably changed?

I’m not sure how you are not able to see what’s changed? We don’t use inverted full backs anymore, instead opting to drop to a more conventional flat back 4 with both full backs offering supporting roles which is more Taylor’s game.

[Robbie_painter]

I’m not sure how you are not able to see what’s changed? We don’t use inverted full backs anymore, instead opting to drop to a more conventional flat back 4 with both full backs offering supporting roles which is more Taylor’s game.

Think that’s got more to do with the quality of the league we are now in than Taylor to be honest.

[Paul Waine]

Vincent Kompany added a number of new players to squad in the summer. A number of the players have not been getting any significant game time. Two of the players who have been impressing with their performances are currently unfit. What's best for Vincent Kompany to say, "In January we will look to replace the injured players," or "We've got a good squad, there are opportunities for others to step up and show what they can do?"

I'm pretty sure that the second statement is the right statement to make in a press conference. It offers encouragement to all the players in the squad. It also avoids saying to any potential selling clubs that "Burnley needs to sign X or Y, please adjust your selling price accordingly."

UTC

[gandhisflipflop]

Think that’s got more to do with the quality of the league we are now in than Taylor to be honest.

I disagree. Many fans are understanding the importance of that left back position for the style of play that we adopted last season. It should be the number 1 priority

[aggi]

I’m not sure how you are not able to see what’s changed? We don’t use inverted full backs anymore, instead opting to drop to a more conventional flat back 4 with both full backs offering supporting roles which is more Taylor’s game.

We weren't doing that at the start of the season before Taylor came in. Given that Roberts was the one commonly coming in to midfield last year it's probably more a reflection of how he has struggled.

[gandhisflipflop]

We weren't doing that at the start of the season before Taylor came in. Given that Roberts was the one commonly coming in to midfield last year it's probably more a reflection of how he has struggled.

We absolutely played with an inverted full back at the start. We didn’t have a left back holding the width.

[FeedTheArf]

We absolutely played with an inverted full back at the start. We didn’t have a left back holding the width.

Haven't we just done the same thing but using Vitinho on the right instead of Maatsen on the left?

[gandhisflipflop]

Haven't we just done the same thing but using Vitinho on the right instead of Maatsen on the left?

No.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I disagree. Many fans are understanding the importance of that left back position for the style of play that we adopted last season. It should be the number 1 priority

Both full back positions should be the priority signings in January.

[CoolClaret]

Gandhi is right - style has changed compared to early season, though we do still miss someone that can play an accurate line breaking balls from defense and specifically fullback.

Maatsen was the best in the Championship at it, though did have his defensive frailties. Vitinho has grown into his role and has looked better than Roberts has for us in the PL, imo, who really struggled in the early season. He was gifting the ball away in dangerous areas.

Ekdal has barely played in the PL so can't really comment on and O'Shea has shown he can play some more direct balls over the top but fair to say he struggles playing the short stuff under pressure (like they all do), and Beyer hasn't been able to do many of his signature dribbles either.

The only one we haven't seen if they can handle playing that style against superior opposition is Muric, though I don't think we will, for whatever reason.

[KlyBfc]

I think we need 2 definite signings no matter which league we are in next season we are short at both:
CF and LB

After that I’d take a new improved CB and maybe a another powerful CM however I’d not be holding my breath.

However to slightly contradict myself, I woul honestly settle for loan signings as it’s highly very likely we are going down and so I’d rather spend the money in the summer when we know how the land lies with the rest of the squad and if they are no pay to be championship players.

Like others I would try to move a few out if I could

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Hes been after Jack Clarke at Sunderland and Summerville at Leeds, is the Leeds one a winger or striker?

What is this obsession with wingers about?

Going off the squad list there are now 50 players on it, crazy numbers for a club of our size, needs to be trimmed immediately.

Hopefully Pace is keeping a close eye on things this window.

Twine and Churlinov look like first ones out to me, if we can get anywhere near £10m for them both that would be good business.

[jedi_master]

We simply have to sign a striker if we have no confidence of Foster being back (and staying back) in the very near future. The reality is that with his illness we cannot rely on that fact - that’s not a dig at him at all, it’s reality. Mental illness has no timeframe.

I would imagine some strikers will be available on loan deals and that’s our best bet so that we don’t end up saddled with them if the worst happens. He was awful against us the other week but, dare I say it, Danny Ings on loan?

[BobSykes]

Some will literally read what they want and have the most bizarre interpretations

From the quoted words of the man himself:

"I don’t see how we could drastically go out there and spend our way into staying in this division."

It's there in black and white isn't it?

[Westleigh]

We simply have to sign a striker if we have no confidence of Foster being back (and staying back) in the very near future. The reality is that with his illness we cannot rely on that fact - that’s not a dig at him at all, it’s reality. Mental illness has no timeframe.

I would imagine some strikers will be available on loan deals and that’s our best bet so that we don’t end up saddled with them if the worst happens. He was awful against us the other week but, dare I say it, Danny Ings on loan?

If Foster recovers he’ll be off to the African Nations

[Westleigh]

Looking at the physicality of the Premier League teams I’ve watched this week were absolutely miles off from competing in this league and Kompany and the recruitment team have to own the fact that they’ve recruited the completely wrong sort of players for us to survive ,apart from the defence and Berge all the rest are lightweights .

[NewClaret]

Looking at the physicality of the Premier League teams I’ve watched this week were absolutely miles off from competing in this league and Kompany and the recruitment team have to own the fact that they’ve recruited the completely wrong sort of players for us to survive ,apart from the defence and Berge all the rest are lightweights .

It’s because they’re young. You just don’t have the same frame at 21 as you do at 28/29.

I did expect us to start the season looking much bigger and stronger than last season though, and that doesn’t seem to have been the case.

When they film the gym sessions I do wonder whether players at other teams are lifting much heavier weights because some of ours look quite small!

[Holtyclaret]

Left back’s probably been one of the least problem area as unexpectedly Taylor is doing ok.

We’re a Taylor injury/suspension away from a real problem