Barton

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That is why women's football was banned.

Wasn’t it banned because of old fashioned attitudes towards women, the game wasn’t suitable for them was the reason given?

There is speculation it was due to envy at the crowds attending some of their games and the inability of the fa to control the money generated by it

[pureclaret]

Don't understand a word of this babble

thats because you are stupid

[pureclaret]

I find the calls for censure of anyone expressing an opinion fundamentally problematic.

We live in a democracy… calling for the thought police is welcoming oppression - a major principle of totalitarianism, a slippery slope… that starts with the cancellation of political satire and investigative journalism…

Oh wait… Mock the Week, Newsnight….

That is because if not totaly ilegal his commnets are inflamatrory and is the words of a coward

[pureclaret]

That's bullshit. You only have an issue because you don't agree with his views.

Quite right to only a moronic idiot would agree with him

Freedpom of thought and speach is one thing but his rant is at the least a border line hate crime

[pureclaret]

Wasn’t it banned because of old fashioned attitudes towards women, the game wasn’t suitable for them was the reason given?

There is speculation it was due to envy at the crowds attending some of their games and the inability of the fa to control the money generated by it
[/quote

the Guardian did a report stating some of the reasons why
Spot on they could not control the money and the huge crowds 53,000 gates in 1920 with 10,000 to 15,000 turned away, so they banned FA clubs to alow ladies teams to play on there grounds.The FA and the political establishment were not blind to the growing popularity and success of women’s football. The huge sums of money being raised were outside their jurisdiction and control. Worse still, that money was no longer being raised to support the war wounded but was being channelled into political and working-class causes – causes antithetical to the establishment.

[boatshed bill]

I know this sounds daft, but haven't women always been allowed to play football?

[pureclaret]

I know this sounds daft, but haven't women always been allowed to play football?

Quite right, just not on FA Club ground

[boatshed bill]

Quite right, just not on FA Club ground

That's what I thought.
I remember our club having a ladies' team in the 70s

[pureclaret]

thats because you are stupid
[/quoteSorry just read about abuse of fellow posters i take this back

you are not stupid .
Perhaps the better word would have been you are being obtuse about things close to my heart

[simonclaret]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -lost-boys

[pureclaret]

Dont normally read the guardian but this article does make sense of the truobled Barton

[Boss Hogg]

I’m not on here for a political debate. I just don’t think Lineker should be spouting his political views on platforms like twatter whilst he is a BBC employee, and their highest remunerated one at that.

The BBC only recently stood by their impartiality and why they can’t describe terrorists aa terrorists. They can’t then have some of it’s presenters never mind high profile ones taking political sides or making political or controversial comments.

[JohnMcGreal]

I’m not on here for a political debate. I just don’t think Lineker should be spouting his political views on platforms like twatter whilst he is a BBC employee, and their highest remunerated one at that.

Surely platforms like Twitter are exactly where he should be airing his personal views?

He shouldn't air them on the BBC, but he and others should be free to express themselves elsewhere.

[Nori1958]

Retired

[evensteadiereddie]

Surely platforms like Twitter are exactly where he should be airing his personal views?

He shouldn't air them on the BBC, but he and others should be free to express themselves elsewhere.

Of course, particularly if he's been under attack from a couple of chinless Tory wonders.
Who wouldn't want to put their side of the argument?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Just read the above Liew article on Barton in the Guardian.

He is a good writer but I find it interesting that the intelligent left wing media (which he clearly is) are openly describing someone who may have made sexist statements as “far right”. Follows a wider trend to accuse anyone not agreeing with your narrow world view as “far right”. Not sure that helps have balanced discourse and it fuels intolerance, cancel culture etc.

The above is true and a concern of mine regardless of whether Joey was correct, which is a separate issue.

[claretandy]

He's retweeting carol vorderman and Gary lineker, I thought he was meant to be far right now

[Bordeauxclaret]

Of course, particularly if he's been under attack from a couple of chinless Tory wonders.
Who wouldn't want to put their side of the argument?

I do enjoy the confusion that comes from those who like to talk about cancel culture then get annoyed at Gary Lineker sharing his views.

[GetIntoEm]

Just read the above Liew article on Barton in the Guardian.

He is a good writer but I find it interesting that the intelligent left wing media (which he clearly is) are openly describing someone who may have made sexist statements as “far right”. Follows a wider trend to accuse anyone not agreeing with your narrow world view as “far right”. Not sure that helps have balanced discourse and it fuels intolerance, cancel culture etc.

The above is true and a concern of mine regardless of whether Joey was correct, which is a separate issue.

if you dont support the current trendy thing, or have the same views then these days youre classed as "right wing". Bonkers world we are living in. Freedom of speech, as long as you say the things lefties want to hear

[pureclaret]

if you dont support the current trendy thing, or have the same views then these days youre classed as "right wing". Bonkers world we are living in. Freedom of speech, as long as you say the things lefties want to hear

I think its more that freedom of speach is good, but when you use that right there may be consequences especially if the words/actions are intended to be hurtfull, spitefull, and illegal under British law.
I think the ''trendy thing '' may well come under peoples moralls have changed and what was acceptable or ignored is now not.

[Bordeauxclaret]

The latest from the 41 year old self style intellectual thinker -


“In response to the latest ‘Vibe With Five’ on @YouTube
@rioferdy5 and @fara_williams47 look forward to the discussion.
Much respect for both.
Who is that big spud head?
Putting himself in the Tyldesley category?
What’s he talking about? The big potato
The Big Spud. “

And
“Mr Potato
Giant Spud
Jersey Royal Head
Who the **** is this guy?
Who the **** has this Over sized, couch potato talking to…
Excuse me, Stephen. @MrStephenHowson
You can’t even do 5 keep ups before you’re out of breath, you big Maris Piper
Pipe down. You’ll be getting fried in front of all your 1M subscribers. Don’t go hiding! You Fat dope.”

[TheFamilyCat]

if you dont support the current trendy thing, or have the same views then these days youre classed as "right wing". Bonkers world we are living in. Freedom of speech, as long as you say the things lefties want to hear

Complain that everyone who disagrees with you accuses you of being far right while calling everyone who disagrees with you as lefties.

I'm sure you're making some kind of point to someone, somewhere.

[AlargeClaret]

Surely even the Guardian aren’t calling Barton “ far right “??. He can’t abide Tories and pretty sure after reading his book he’s an old school labour type . Though as mentioned above anyone of any persuasion who breaks one of the left’s sacred discussion tenets ( women /trans/sexism/race/diversity/Islam etc) is branded “ extreme right”

It does work in reverse as well let’s be honest , but perhaps not quite as virulent and hate fuelled .

[Greenmile]

I'm not familiar with twitter, I leave it to you twitts.

You’d like it on there - nowadays more than ever.

[HahaYeah]

You’d like it on there - nowadays more than ever.

Don't think I would,too many of the Wokestapo from here seem to be on there.

[claret2018]

Don't think I would,too many of the Wokestapo from here seem to be on there.

Serious question, are you 12 years old?

[Robbie_painter]

Can we not just all remember joey as he was for us?

[pureclaret]

Can we not just all remember joey as he was for us?

Unfortunatley no, his comments make him a complete and utter tool.(and not a useful one)

[IanMcL]

Joseph did his bit for us. I am with Joseph.Merry Christmas

[forzagranata]

Surely even the Guardian aren’t calling Barton “ far right “??. He can’t abide Tories and pretty sure after reading his book he’s an old school labour type . Though as mentioned above anyone of any persuasion who breaks one of the left’s sacred discussion tenets ( women /trans/sexism/race/diversity/Islam etc) is branded “ extreme right”

Joey has long been a Labour supporting lefty type - but for the Guardian it seems that is impossible that someone can be on the left and also come out with sexist or racist views (or views that are regarded as such).

So he has to be described as 'far right', despite insisting he is on the left and despite racism and sexism obviously existing among Labour supporters.

Liew and the Guardian seem to find it difficult to accept that Barton is one of their own.

[aggi]

Don't think I would,too many of the Wokestapo from here seem to be on there.

It's true, Elon Musk is famously woke. Him and his woke sidekick, Alex Jones.

[daveisaclaret]

I feel like if Joey Barton tweets sympathy to Andrew Tate, then to Jordan Peterson, then pivots to a career of "women are bad" it's really fair to say he's doing a far right thing. Let me know if that's wrong.

[boatshed bill]

I feel like if Joey Barton tweets sympathy to Andrew Tate, then to Jordan Peterson, then pivots to a career of "women are bad" it's really fair to say he's doing a far right thing. Let me know if that's wrong.

Personally I can't see the point of politicising this.
He's just attention seeking.

[claretandy]

I feel like if Joey Barton tweets sympathy to Andrew Tate, then to Jordan Peterson, then pivots to a career of "women are bad" it's really fair to say he's doing a far right thing. Let me know if that's wrong.

His most recent sympathetic tweets are about carol vorderman and Gary lineker
...

[daveisaclaret]

His most recent sympathetic tweets are about carol vorderman and Gary lineker
...

So when Jonathan Liew wrote about his tweets was he supposed to predict the future? He said Barton was doing far right nonsense about women, not that he was about to join the BNP.

[pureclaret]

Joseph did his bit for us. I am with Joseph.Merry Christmas

i hope you mean the guy from Bethlehem

[ŽižkovClaret]

Barton is clearly going full grifter. Spouting inflammatory statements for clicks etc. Best ignored

[Anonymous Claret]

Joey has long been a Labour supporting lefty type - but for the Guardian it seems that is impossible that someone can be on the left and also come out with sexist or racist views (or views that are regarded as such).

So he has to be described as 'far right', despite insisting he is on the left and despite racism and sexism obviously existing among Labour supporters.

Liew and the Guardian seem to find it difficult to accept that Barton is one of their own.

Hopefully this 'journalist ' will be called out on this. Joey was a massive fan of Jeremy Corbyn.

[AlargeClaret]

I feel like if Joey Barton tweets sympathy to Andrew Tate, then to Jordan Peterson, then pivots to a career of "women are bad" it's really fair to say he's doing a far right thing. Let me know if that's wrong.

So agreeing with a Peterson tweet is a “ far right thing “? so therefore he must be far right ? This is what happens when every viewpoint is politicised . I’m a passionate advocate for women’s workers rights yet find ( for eg) women footy commentators on the men’s game excruciating. I’m very much against uncontrolled immigration yet help with an organisation getting black kids into grassroots football . I’m I a right wing loon or a woke soy boy ??

[daveisaclaret]

So agreeing with a Peterson tweet is a “ far right thing “? so therefore he must be far right ? This is what happens when every viewpoint is politicised . I’m a passionate advocate for women’s workers rights yet find ( for eg) women footy commentators on the men’s game excruciating. I’m very much against uncontrolled immigration yet help with an organisation getting black kids into grassroots football . I’m I a right wing loon or a woke soy boy ??

I presume you're deliberately misrepresenting my post and the article, neither of which say he is far right.

Trying to make money by saying women shouldn't be involved in men's football is a grift aimed at the far right. Neither myself nor the article says that makes Joey Barton a far right person. I doubt he really believes what he's saying, to be honest.

Agreeing with Jordan Peterson is a far right thing too though, yep.

[NottsClaret]

It's actually a pretty interesting topic but little chance we'll get into it before it gets derailed. My grandad in particular was a staunch socialist / union man.. borderline Communist. Voted Labour from 18 until he died. But he had certain views which would place him 'far right' today.

That's not necessarily a 'different time' thing. Often hear similar stuff round S Yorks which is of course a Labour heartland. Joey may well be a Labour supporting socialist type but his nonsense this week is a shame, and classic right wing grift crap to entice all the Katie Hopkins / GB News followers looking for a new 'leader'.

That said, I still enjoy hearing a Michael Jackson song and he touched kids so I'm pretty sure I can still look back fondly on Barton's exemplary efforts for us.

[Anonymous Claret]

So agreeing with a Peterson tweet is a “ far right thing “? so therefore he must be far right ? This is what happens when every viewpoint is politicised . I’m a passionate advocate for women’s workers rights yet find ( for eg) women footy commentators on the men’s game excruciating. I’m very much against uncontrolled immigration yet help with an organisation getting black kids into grassroots football . I’m I a right wing loon or a woke soy boy ??

I think a big problem is that a lot of people have their thinking done for them and refuse point blank to look at opposing viewpoints and would never agree with something that is written in the 'Far Right' Daily Mail or 'Libtard' Guardian depending on their political allegiances.

Like you I don't believe in uncontrolled immigration because this puts our very fragile economy and vastly under resourced public services under immense pressure. Does this make me a far right fascist?

Likewise I don't believe that sending migrants to Rwanda is a viable humanitarian option either. It is a plan of pure malice IMO. Does this make me a left wing loon? I am confused

[AlargeClaret]

I presume you're deliberately misrepresenting my post and the article, neither of which say he is far right.

Trying to make money by saying women shouldn't be involved in men's football is a grift aimed at the far right. Neither myself nor the article says that makes Joey Barton a far right person. I doubt he really believes what he's saying, to be honest.

Agreeing with Jordan Peterson is a far right thing too though, yep.

No mis-representation intended . Re: JP, never seen much of him but presumed he was more mildly arrogant staunch conservative ( trad right ) than “ far right” which I’d equate to bordering on Nazism, though I stand corrected.

Re: JB , I agree he was 100% drumming up publicity for his new podcast by being controversial, but “ appealing to the far right “ ?? A few thousand Tommy Robinson fan boys ?

The general point being ,we can’t just be labelling people “ fascist” because a persons viewpoint doesn’t align with liberal left ideology ( a decent amount of which I personally agree with)

[Hipper]

Wasn’t it banned because of old fashioned attitudes towards women, the game wasn’t suitable for them was the reason given?

There is speculation it was due to envy at the crowds attending some of their games and the inability of the fa to control the money generated by it

It wasn't actually banned but effectively it was, at a top level. The FA, who managed all football, told registered clubs that they would not allow women's football in their grounds.

Of course women could have set up their own FA and started women's football that way but perhaps that wasn't possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s ... n_football

[Hipper]

Dont normally read the guardian but this article does make sense of the truobled Barton

I used to read The Guardian but that article tells me I'm right not to read it these days.

[HahaYeah]

It's true, Elon Musk is famously woke. Him and his woke sidekick, Alex Jones.

Yes, I hear it's a lot better on their now since Elon took over and stopped the anti free speech Wokestapo from censoring people so much.