Well done

[AGENT_CLARET]

James Trafford Man of the match for Burnley

Also to the fan's that made that long journey two weeks before Christmas, could be heard all game via the TV

And to the team, this young inexperienced injury hit team for taking a point at Brighton not an easy place to go at the best of times

[Elizabeth]

If we can get a point at Brighton it opens the door to getting points away at many other clubs.
The missing ingredient is likely to be winning at the Turf.

[Kilson810]

Hear hear

[Burnley1989]

James Trafford Man of the match for Burnley

Also to the fan's that made that long journey two weeks before Christmas, could be heard all game via the TV

And to the team, this young inexperienced injury hit team for taking a point at Brighton not an easy place to go at the best of times

He’s a great goal keeper, there’s a reason those that know what they’re talking about back him, he will be England No1

[AGENT_CLARET]

He’s a great goal keeper, there’s a reason those that know what they’re talking about back him, he will be England No1

He's a long way off being England NO, his distribution is way off

[bobinho]

He's a long way off being England NO, his distribution is way off

Worse than Pickfords?

Thing is, we’ve been spoiled by having Muric last year, who for the most part was like Beckenbauer at the back. Murics’ distribution has to be close to being the best ever seen from a keeper.

[Transpennine]

Worse than Pickfords?

Thing is, we’ve been spoiled by having Muric last year, who for the most part was like Beckenbauer at the back. Murics’ distribution has to be close to being the best ever seen from a keeper.

We've still got Muric...we were spoilt, but have chosen not to utilise that distribution, which was integral to our success.

[bobinho]

That we have… my point being that almost ANY keeper in the PL would struggle to have the same possession stats as Muric.

Distribution = 9/10
Keeping = 5/10 and that’s why he doesn’t play.

At this level, we need our keeper to make saves more than pass like Glenn Hoddle.

And Traffords distribution isn’t bad is it?

[Holtyclaret]

We've still got Muric...we were spoilt, but have chosen not to utilise that distribution, which was integral to our success.

We need two keepers and are lucky to have both.

Last season Muric had lots of options to pass to largely, this season whoever keeps for us doesn’t have that ‘luxury’.

[Burnley1989]

He's a long way off being England NO, his distribution is way off

Yeah I agree but …

[bfcjg]

We need two keepers and are lucky to have both.

Last season Muric had lots of options to pass to largely, this season whoever keeps for us doesn’t have that ‘luxury’.

I think that is a very salient point, the speed that we get pressed in the Premier league is quite different.

[Transpennine]

We need two keepers and are lucky to have both.

Last season Muric had lots of options to pass to largely, this season whoever keeps for us doesn’t have that ‘luxury’.

I don't disagree, however Muric was able to find some passes against Everton last month that Trafford could only dream of**

**I am not criticising trafford

[Transpennine]

I think that is a very salient point, the speed that we get pressed in the Premier league is quite different.

So by that logic, you'd pick the keeper who is better in that situation...

[bfcjg]

So by that logic, you'd pick the keeper who is better in that situation...

Muric hasn't played against a Premier league press. In the cup v Everton he conceded against their clweakened team, I'm not saying who's better just agreeing with the observation.

[KRBFC]

Muric might be the best in the world with the ball at his feet, he’s right up there with Ederson for me. Sounds crazy to say but he’s really that good imo

[Transpennine]

Muric hasn't played against a Premier league press. In the cup v Everton he conceded against their clweakened team, I'm not saying who's better just agreeing with the observation.

Yes; that's fair enough. UTC

[Goliath]

Muric is the better keeper currently imo but theres clearly something behind the scenes that kompany doesnt like. He hasnt ever come across as someone who looks like he has a huge interest in proceedings to say the least.
Tbh id have gone in for heaton as number 1 for a year, and sent trafford on loan to the champ.
As it us, i wouldnt be against using them both depending on who we were playing. For example v everton i imagine they will press us early doors and then slowly get pushed back giving us time to play. For games like that murics distribution could be a really useful tool along with his slightly more commanding presence from set pieces ( they are both pretty crap in this area)

[StayingDown4Ever]

And Traffords distribution isn’t bad is it?

good one!

[Holtyclaret]

So by that logic, you'd pick the keeper who is better in that situation...

Personally no because that advantage of Muric has been largely nullified.

The opposition are so much better at pressing and pose more threat, plus our personnel and style has slowly evolved. We now go longer more often as we can’t knock it around the back the same and don’t employ a mf in the ‘quarterback’ role like Cullen did last year (it didn’t work early this season in this league).

I like both keepers and we need them both. Muric is an injury/suspension from starting and it’ll interesting when he does.

[Holtyclaret]

Muric is the better keeper currently imo but theres clearly something behind the scenes that kompany doesnt like. He hasnt ever come across as someone who looks like he has a huge interest in proceedings to say the least.
Tbh id have gone in for heaton as number 1 for a year, and sent trafford on loan to the champ.
As it us, i wouldnt be against using them both depending on who we were playing. For example v everton i imagine they will press us early doors and then slowly get pushed back giving us time to play. For games like that murics distribution could be a really useful tool along with his slightly more commanding presence from set pieces ( they are both pretty crap in this area)

I can’t recall many examples of when sharing the number 1 jersey has been used or been successful. Arsenal currently in a pickle with two number ones.

Muric will have his opportunities and only then can we judge who should be number one. Up until then vk and team has made their decision based on what they see/know and Traff is improving greatly in a more settled side.

[dougcollins]

Worse than Pickfords?

Thing is, we’ve been spoiled by having Muric last year, who for the most part was like Beckenbauer at the back. Murics’ distribution has to be close to being the best ever seen from a keeper.

Never been Pickford's biggest fan, but his distribution is generally on point.

[Darnhill Claret]

Pickford is an excellent keeper in all areas of the game. I do however understand that Pickford the man is not universally liked.

[boatshed bill]

Never been Pickford's biggest fan, but his distribution is generally on point.

Pickford plays some brilliant long passes.

[Goliath]

I can’t recall many examples of when sharing the number 1 jersey has been used or been successful. Arsenal currently in a pickle with two number ones.

Muric will have his opportunities and only then can we judge who should be number one. Up until then vk and team has made their decision based on what they see/know and Traff is improving greatly in a more settled side.

This is true but im not sure why it has to be the case for keepers. They clearly have a very different skillset which could be useful in different games. Just because it hasnt been done regularly doesnt mean it cant work

[Swizzlestick]

Our opponents yesterday have rotated the keeper position.

[Holtyclaret]

This is true but im not sure why it has to be the case for keepers. They clearly have a very different skillset which could be useful in different games. Just because it hasnt been done regularly doesnt mean it cant work

If it was doable they’d be more doing it.

I guess keepers benefit from regular gametime, keeps their eye in a bit like batsmen in cricket. Also the confidence factor that comes with the managers backing through knowing you’re not one mistake from dropped. A nervous or ‘on trial’ keeper would surely lead to more rickets. A regular keeper also builds relationships and understanding with the players in front of them. Clear to see the improvement all round from a settled side.

[Holtyclaret]

Our opponents yesterday have rotated the keeper position.

They have one eck of a squad geared towards competing in four competitions, it’s only akin to your no2 playing cup games.

Brighton are certainly becoming the modern model that I’m sure we’re aiming to emulate in the coming years, it’s taken them a lot of time and money to get there though.

[Ampth7]

After the saves Trafford made yesterday, he has earned the right to keep the no 1 jersey for now.
Some of his passing yesterday was not great though it has to be said, especially several of his passes into the centre of the pitch which cost us possession in dangerous areas.
He will learn though and the outfield players will also need to improve their movement and willingness to receive the ball from him in my opinion.

[NewClaret]

After the saves Trafford made yesterday, he has earned the right to keep the no 1 jersey for now.
Some of his passing yesterday was not great though it has to be said, especially several of his passes into the centre of the pitch which cost us possession in dangerous areas.
He will learn though and the outfield players will also need to improve their movement and willingness to receive the ball from him in my opinion.

Completely agree. He should be playing those balls but the players receiving them need to anticipate them better, get to the ball first and then be strong. Big area for improvement.

Some of the passes weren’t great, think Muric would be more accurate and quicker, but well done to him for playing them.

A lot of the media and opposition fans say Trafford is good with his feet. I dread to think what they’d be saying if they saw Muric. But credit to Trafford, he’s growing, as I knew he would eventually. All young players get better. It’s his shirt now.

[Goliath]

If it was doable they’d be more doing it.

I guess keepers benefit from regular gametime, keeps their eye in a bit like batsmen in cricket. Also the confidence factor that comes with the managers backing through knowing you’re not one mistake from dropped. A nervous or ‘on trial’ keeper would surely lead to more rickets. A regular keeper also builds relationships and understanding with the players in front of them. Clear to see the improvement all round from a settled side.

You could say the same for outfield players but they have to accept being subbed/rotated etc. I dont buy the building relationships thing, how long did it take for nick pope to build a relationship with his back 4? Why cant they have 'relationships' with both keepers.
It seems like an old traditional view, reinforced by ex goalkeepers that think in a certain way that hasnt yet being challenged properly. A goalkeeper should feel 'on trial' to perform anyway if they keep dropping clangers they are getting dropped regardless

[Holtyclaret]

You could say the same for outfield players but they have to accept being subbed/rotated etc. I dont buy the building relationships thing, how long did it take for nick pope to build a relationship with his back 4? Why cant they have 'relationships' with both keepers.
It seems like an old traditional view, reinforced by ex goalkeepers that think in a certain way that hasnt yet being challenged properly. A goalkeeper should feel 'on trial' to perform anyway if they keep dropping clangers they are getting dropped regardless

Confidence is huge to a keeper and a nervous keeper can’t ever be a good thing.

As said above there’s a reason most clubs ‘appoint’ a number 1 and set the challenge to the number 2 and 3 to make the most of their opportunities when they get them.

Or we could be groundbreaking pioneers just to give Muric games?

[Goliath]

Its not going to happen so its all relative anyway. Bjt it wouldnt be about being 'groundbreaking pioneers', it would be about giving us the best chance to win a game. And against an everton who will let us play more especially at turf moor, Murics distribution would be valuable.

[Holtyclaret]

Not really, you’re just dreaming up different ways to get Muric on the pitch, who coincidentally has already played Everton once this year and his distribution didn’t prove too valuable.

I like Muric btw

[AlargeClaret]

That Muric and Trafford are more than a fag paper apart with their feet and indeed overall keeping is a ludicrous suggestion and shows the (partly understandable) pure ignorance when discussing keepers. They’re given instructors on how the manager wants them to “ play their feet” and Muric was encouraged to strike it around , find the man etc in the champ as we were 100% good enough to do that .

Trafford’s a child prodigy and been “ groomed” for the top from about u9’s at Carlisle,last I saw him play he was maybe 12 v Man Utd but still at CUFC. Anyone thinking a keeper can get in Man City’s squad without being incredibly good with feet is verging on lunacy . Not unlike the clowns on here who thought Joe Hart was crap and think Pickford’s crap .

For the record I’d never have splashed more than 3m on a back up for the excellent Muric .

[Goliath]

Not really, you’re just dreaming up different ways to get Muric on the pitch, who coincidentally has already played Everton once this year and his distribution didn’t prove too valuable.

I like Muric btw

I have no particular fondness of Muric, he doesnt seem to ahow any enthusiam for the job or the club. I dont think ive seen him do a single interview since he joined, or get involved in any of the community stuff, also didnt come across well to me on the documentary.
Wouldnt surprise me if this was part of the reason VK was so keen to replace him.

However, its hard to argue that his distribution is anything but world class and id also say hes slightly more commanding from set pieces than Trafford. Both skills will be vital against Everton, i dontimagine we will be peppered with shots so his skillset would suit that particular game better than Traffords theoretically.