Today's result in perspective...

[Goddy]

Now quite a few are going to say 'we needed a win given the other teams around us and their results', however;
1. Sheff U beat an injury-ravaged Brentford (at home, too)
2. Forest got a point against a poor Wolves team who we should have got a point from too
3. Palace were beaten (and, I reckon, are also in the mire)
4. We've nicked a point at high-flying, in-form, in Europe Brighton......away from home.

Given all that, I think we could/should be reasonably happy with all that.

Equally, we've scored 6 in the last 3 games, only conceded 2 and picked up 4 points from 3 games (with two of those games being away from home).

Personally, I think we're getting there and definitely far from relegated. I shall be having a muted celebration tonight but will enjoy MOTD, for once, and I'll look forward with increasing confidence for the rest of the season.

COYC - we can do this

PS Bournemouth out of the sh1t in my humble opinion...but we'll beat them when we need to later in the season

[ElectroClaret]

Think most Clarets would have been happy with a point before the game.

[Goddy]

Think most Clarets would have been happy with a point before the game.

Yep, EC, I meant to mention that, too....how many (even those with the most claret-tinted glasses) would have thought we'd get a point at Brighton????!

[Bosscat]

Think most Clarets would have been happy with a point before the game.

I would for certain ... Frustrating we couldn't get it over the line but like the OP said we were away at a high flying team who are deservedly (that took some saying as its Brighton ) playing in Europe ...

[Kilson810]

We cannot moan at a point today, great result for us and we've finally shown that we have a backbone. Some are moaning that on another week Trafford won't save them all and while I appreciate that point, it's not the reality today. We needed to show that we can dig in and salvage something from games that swing against us and we did that.

[FCBurnley]

You missed out that Forest got an away point and Bournemouth got 3 at United and Everton best Newcastle
Very much the 3 relegated teams plus maybe Forest and Palace in the dog fight. No chance Bournemouth or Everton go down

[Goddy]

You missed out that Forest got an away point and Bournemouth got 3 at United and Everton best Newcastle
Very much the 3 relegated teams plus maybe Forest and Palace in the dog fight. No chance Bournemouth or Everton go down

I think I did mention Forest getting a point FCB but I was suggesting that was less unexpected.

I agree entirely about Everton and Bournemouth. I think the bottom 5 are more likely to be Sheff U, Luton, Palace, Forest and us. I think we can better 3 of those

[brexit]

In perspective, 3 shots on target, 1 corner, Redmond as a striker 1 piece of brilliance by odobert. We need to win 10 games to be safe, this side is capable of that, but Roberts as a winger with Bruun-Larsen on the bench. WTF The constant hope Ramsey is going to contribute, not using obafemi. We are all but down, let's at least try to score some goals. I am sorry, but again we threw away winning position by going defensive.

[boatshed bill]

In perspective, 3 shots on target, 1 corner, Redmond as a striker 1 piece of brilliance by odobert. We need to win 10 games to be safe, this side is capable of that, but Roberts as a winger with Bruun-Larsen on the bench. WTF The constant hope Ramsey is going to contribute, not using obafemi. We are all but down, let's at least try to score some goals. I am sorry, but again we threw away winning position by going defensive.

Yep, we should have started with Obafemi and Foster.

[Spijed]

I would for certain ... Frustrating we couldn't get it over the line but like the OP said we were away at a high flying team who are deservedly (that took some saying as its Brighton ) playing in Europe ...

And an incredibly wealthy owner whose pumped half a billion into the club.

Something that ALWAYS gets conveniently ignored.

[cockneyclaret]

Yep, EC, I meant to mention that, too....how many (even those with the most claret-tinted glasses) would have thought we'd get a point at Brighton????!

Living down this way and having to endure the Brighton fans I thought we would get a point or 3.. they can't finish teams off which for us today was a good thing

[brexit]

Yep, we should have started with Obafemi and Foster.

Just so you know, Foster is unlikely to play for us this season

[Nori1958]

Just so you know, Foster is unlikely to play for us this season

Not what the manager says....

[Swizzlestick]

Just so you know, Foster is unlikely to play for us this season

Something else you definitely heard in hospitality?

[boatshed bill]

Just so you know, Foster is unlikely to play for us this season

Whoooosh

[Clive 1960]

yes it was a good point but my worry is just like wolves in the second half we just weren't in it and if it wasn't for our goalkeeper we would have been beaten...

[KRBFC]

In perspective, 3 shots on target, 1 corner, Redmond as a striker 1 piece of brilliance by odobert. We need to win 10 games to be safe, this side is capable of that, but Roberts as a winger with Bruun-Larsen on the bench. WTF The constant hope Ramsey is going to contribute, not using obafemi. We are all but down, let's at least try to score some goals. I am sorry, but again we threw away winning position by going defensive.

You think we just went defensive? This isn’t Fifa, we were forced to defend and defend we did. Roberts was brought out at right midfield to secure the point by helping with the dangerous Mitoma.

Why do you keep mentioning Obafemi? and slagging VK off for not using him?

Repeat after me:

OBAFEMI
IS
INJURED

Say it out loud 5x and the marshmallow inbetween your ears might receive it.

[Leisure]

yes it was a good point but my worry is just like wolves in the second half we just weren't in it and if it wasn't for our goalkeeper we would have been beaten...

But we weren't. Our goalkeeper's job is to stop goals going in, which is what he did (except for 1)!

[wbfc]

It was a good point nothing else to be said ...some points are earned backs against the wall ....

If you cannot be reasonably content tonight then go see samaritans

I think we will finish bottom but 2 young players Odobert and Trafford have made progress today ...

If we can play the season out like we have the last 5 games we will 3 or 4 games and draw 3 or 4 more

I am not sure what more can be expected with the team and management we have

As far as the manager is concerned I would give him until the first 15 games of next season....

I like the look of Koleosho and Odobert ...I would persevere with Trafford since Muric is hardly Gordon Banks...then Amdouni, Ramsey and Tressor was close to £50 million badly spent...

We bought no full backs or strikers ...oshea is wholehearted but not good enough and Beyer flattered to deceive last year in a team which did not have to do much defending ...Ekdal is too slow...I think Al Dakhil is a prospect but not whilst playing with the centre halfs we have now ...May be bring someone like Johnny Evans in to play with him or Michael Keane who we add before

Foster has showed signs another reason to be optimistic

I think Berge is okay only similar to JBL...

But enjoy tonight because there are going to be losing more than not ...I would celebrate the wins like there is no tomorrow and take draws whenever we can

[Clive 1960]

But we weren't. Our goalkeeper's job is to stop goals going in, which is what he did (except for 1)!

yes our young gk did really well but the shape of the team in second half was all over we couldn't play out like we did in the first and to be honest a few lads looked leg weary but as i said a good point to build on in the end ...

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

Trafford is better with his hands than Muric. I dont see Muric making 10 saves yesterday.

[CoolClaret]

Trafford is better with his hands than Muric. I dont see Muric making 10 saves yesterday.

Which of those shots do you reckon he wouldn’t have saved?

There’s an argument that he wouldn’t have had to anyway because we’d have kept the ball better. We will probably never know though.

[Nori1958]

But we weren't. Our goalkeeper's job is to stop goals going in, which is what he did (except for 1)!

I wonder what some of these posters would have said had they been watching the Heaton show at old Trafford, or the many games our goalies had 12 shots and more to save in games to get a point or more.....like you say it's their job, and yesterday was a job well done, no need for what ifs or maybes

[TPClaret]

If Brighton won yesterday they would’ve moved up to 5th. Putting that into perspective a very good point

[Newcastleclaret93]

Which of those shots do you reckon he wouldn’t have saved?

There’s an argument that he wouldn’t have had to anyway because we’d have kept the ball better. We will probably never know though.

I’m pretty confident Muric would have conceded at least 4 yesterday

[taio]

Which of those shots do you reckon he wouldn’t have saved?

There’s an argument that he wouldn’t have had to anyway because we’d have kept the ball better. We will probably never know though.

This is getting pretty desperate. Trafford's best game for us by some distance and you imply that Muric would've at least equalled it. On another day Trafford wouldn't have made all those saves and there's a good possibility Muric wouldn't have done. As you say, we'll never know so best not to try to find ways of undermining Trafford's performance yesterday.

[Darnhill Claret]

Why can we not like and be supportive of both Trafford and Muric?

[Mala591]

A mixture of plan A and plan B seems to be working…

[jojomk1]

It was a good point nothing else to be said ...some points are earned backs against the wall ....

If you cannot be reasonably content tonight then go see samaritans

I think we will finish bottom but 2 young players Odobert and Trafford have made progress today ...

If we can play the season out like we have the last 5 games we will 3 or 4 games and draw 3 or 4 more

I am not sure what more can be expected with the team and management we have

As far as the manager is concerned I would give him until the first 15 games of next season....

I like the look of Koleosho and Odobert ...I would persevere with Trafford since Muric is hardly Gordon Banks...then Amdouni, Ramsey and Tressor was close to £50 million badly spent...

We bought no full backs or strikers ...oshea is wholehearted but not good enough and Beyer flattered to deceive last year in a team which did not have to do much defending ...Ekdal is too slow...I think Al Dakhil is a prospect but not whilst playing with the centre halfs we have now ...May be bring someone like Johnny Evans in to play with him or Michael Keane who we add before

Foster has showed signs another reason to be optimistic

I think Berge is okay only similar to JBL...

But enjoy tonight because there are going to be losing more than not ...I would celebrate the wins like there is no tomorrow and take draws whenever we can

A lot of common sense in that summary until you mentioned Johnny Evans

Berge is our best central midfielder and JBL looks more productive out wide right (better than anyone else we have currently tried in that position)

Amdouni will offer more with a better No 9 (such a pity about Foster)

Between the current bottom 3 and Forest if they don't change their manager

You would always expect teams to get occasional "surprise" results but our only two wins (from 16 games) have been against Luton and Sheff Utd

If we are not getting wins against the likes of Palace, Bournemouth, Forest and Brentford then we are going to be looking up at most teams in the league table

[Kilson810]

It was a good point nothing else to be said ...some points are earned backs against the wall ....

If you cannot be reasonably content tonight then go see samaritans

I think we will finish bottom but 2 young players Odobert and Trafford have made progress today ...

If we can play the season out like we have the last 5 games we will 3 or 4 games and draw 3 or 4 more

I am not sure what more can be expected with the team and management we have

As far as the manager is concerned I would give him until the first 15 games of next season....

I like the look of Koleosho and Odobert ...I would persevere with Trafford since Muric is hardly Gordon Banks...then Amdouni, Ramsey and Tressor was close to £50 million badly spent...

We bought no full backs or strikers ...oshea is wholehearted but not good enough and Beyer flattered to deceive last year in a team which did not have to do much defending ...Ekdal is too slow...I think Al Dakhil is a prospect but not whilst playing with the centre halfs we have now ...May be bring someone like Johnny Evans in to play with him or Michael Keane who we add before

Foster has showed signs another reason to be optimistic

I think Berge is okay only similar to JBL...

But enjoy tonight because there are going to be losing more than not ...I would celebrate the wins like there is no tomorrow and take draws whenever we can

Good post but let's also remember Beyer is only 23. We expect him to be a mature leader but he's still 4 years away from his peak. I also think Amdouni has a lot of potential, he just needs a better striker, like Foster, alongside him.

[Swizzlestick]

I didn’t see too much common sense in that post. Three players written off already, Beyer flattering to deceive despite obvious improvements, Ekdal too slow based on what and is that a pre-requisite for a CB? How is Berge similar to JBL?? I agree we’re probably going to drop, but there’s a long way to go yet.

[kentonclaret]

If Brighton won yesterday they would’ve moved up to 5th. Putting that into perspective a very good point

We matched Sheffield Utd’s result away at Brighton recently by getting a 1-1 draw.

[South West Claret.]

Think most Clarets would have been happy with a point before the game.

Yep, me included.

[elwaclaret]

Those saying no chance it’s xxxx clearly have not spotted that it is not rare for a club drop from mid table into the relegation scrap, while others rise phoenix like after a good Christmas.

[steve1264b]

One way of looking at yesterdays result is we have 4 points from three games. which would put us on 37 points.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Those saying no chance it’s xxxx clearly have not spotted that it is not rare for a club drop from mid table into the relegation scrap, while others rise phoenix like after a good Christmas.

In premier league history isn’t it something like only 4 teams that have been bottom of the league at Christmas survived. The next few games are crucial. If we are bottom the odds are that we very unlikely to survive

[elwaclaret]

In premier league history isn’t it something like only 4 teams that have been bottom of the league at Christmas survived. The next few games are crucial. If we are bottom the odds are that we very unlikely to survive

There is no argument the next few game are crucial… nothing is decided before Christmas, as you point out. But that is not the same argument.

[kentonclaret]

Those involved in straw clutching like to point to Wolves who were bottom at Christmas last campaign but improved significantly to pull away from the bottom 3.
However, there were significant factors that led to that improvement in results. Firstly, Bruno Lage was replaced as manager by Lopetegui in late November 2022. Secondly, Wolves made some significant signings in January 2023 including Matheus Cunha, Mario Lemina, Pablo Sarabia and Joao Gomes.

[CoolClaret]

This is getting pretty desperate. Trafford's best game for us by some distance and you imply that Muric would've at least equalled it. On another day Trafford wouldn't have made all those saves and there's a good possibility Muric wouldn't have done. As you say, we'll never know so best not to try to find ways of undermining Trafford's performance yesterday.

Wouldn’t say that I just think people are losing perspective massively.

Did what he had to do in saving them and rightfully was given motm but I just don’t think any of them were like ridiculous saves!

More concerning to me that we gave up so many shots on reflection but at least we showed resilience.

Just find the narrative is a bit skewed - now it’s Muric couldn’t possibly make a save when he made plenty of big saves last season.

Just feel like the media hype on Trafford gets blown up because he’s the England U21 keeper.

Pope pulled games like that out every week and massively flew under the radar.

[ClaretPete001]

One way of looking at yesterdays result is we have 4 points from three games. which would put us on 37 points.

I doubt that any statistician in the Universe or even the metaverse would accept that as a valid observation.

[Goliath]

Unfortubately weve put ourselves in a posutuon where a point at brighton isnt a particularly good results, especially after being in front. We should have seen the game out.
Im not sure we have the mental aptitude to see out big periods of pressure when we are ahead, especially away from home. Weve not really managed it once, we also caved away at luton but managed to get back in front with a few mins left to hold out. This is something having ekdal at centre back could help with.

[steve1264b]

I doubt that any statistician in the Universe or even the metaverse would accept that as a valid observation.

I waant saying we would get 37 points.

I said it was one way of looking at it, bit like a government minister saying UK has grown more than France since 2010, it might be true, but it won't be true if you picked a different date range.

However, as Raffa would say "it is a fact" we have 4 points from 3 games

[Goddy]

We matched Sheffield Utd’s result away at Brighton recently by getting a 1-1 draw.

...and I think Sheff U played against 10 men for a period of time so not really a helpful comparison

[Goddy]

I doubt that any statistician in the Universe or even the metaverse would accept that as a valid observation.

Well, agreed, to some extent, but it's perhaps more of a reflection of how things are improving......

[brexit]

Something else you definitely heard in hospitality?

Unfortunately American express and the EU are not on the best of terms so I couldn't bag any freebies had to watch on in n bar in Brussels

[chipbutty]

It was a good point nothing else to be said ...some points are earned backs against the wall ....

If you cannot be reasonably content tonight then go see samaritans

I think we will finish bottom but 2 young players Odobert and Trafford have made progress today ...

If we can play the season out like we have the last 5 games we will 3 or 4 games and draw 3 or 4 more

I am not sure what more can be expected with the team and management we have

As far as the manager is concerned I would give him until the first 15 games of next season....

I like the look of Koleosho and Odobert ...I would persevere with Trafford since Muric is hardly Gordon Banks...then Amdouni, Ramsey and Tressor was close to £50 million badly spent...

We bought no full backs or strikers ...oshea is wholehearted but not good enough and Beyer flattered to deceive last year in a team which did not have to do much defending ...Ekdal is too slow...I think Al Dakhil is a prospect but not whilst playing with the centre halfs we have now ...May be bring someone like Johnny Evans in to play with him or Michael Keane who we add before

Foster has showed signs another reason to be optimistic

I think Berge is okay only similar to JBL...

But enjoy tonight because there are going to be losing more than not ...I would celebrate the wins like there is no tomorrow and take draws whenever we can

Ekdal is class.
End of

[IanMcL]

Perspective...hmm

Observations....

Great point. Hard earned. Deserved.
Against top opposition.

Things of concern:
1. It took a single player to create some magic for us to score.
2. None of our good moves in the first half looked like getting a goal.
3. Our magic moment in the 2nd half presented a very good chance, saved by the keeper's leg, from very close range.
4. Brighton had numerous chances which required exceptional saves on 2 or 3 occasions and safe keeping on other occasions.

Not sure what any of that proves, other than we are too slow up front, usually.