Clarets v Everton Match Thread

[Wo Didi]

Everton won't get an easier 3 points this season.

[boyyanno]

Tresor, Redmond and a few others stood around having a laugh with the Everton boys at full time, absolute disgrace- some of these guys don't give a crap.

[JBR]

If you get excited by that you need your head examining

[CoolClaret]

This is what baffles me. People love to spout about the system, the process, football being a team game, then dont seem to understand the implications of that it's like people just watch Tifo videos and repeat stuff without understanding it.

I honestly can’t figure out wtf has gone through VKs mind this season.

The man that could do no wrong. I just, I’m baffled.

But yeah - football is about building a cohesive team, complimentary how players work together.

It isn’t isolated one off bits and pieces it’s about making the best possible team and I don’t feel like we are doing right now.

Repeating and boring myself - bitterly disappointed and frustrated.

Not good enough VK - makes it even worse when it’s from your old gaffer as well.

[cockneyclaret]

Very lacklustre performance.

Big questions need to be asked now

This is getting embarrassing

But no one is asking these questions!
Us fans can see it plain and simple

[Murger]

[JBR]

I honestly can’t figure out wtf has gone through VKs mind this season.

The man that could do no wrong. I just, I’m baffled.

But yeah - football is about building a cohesive team, complimentary how players work together.

It isn’t isolated one off bits and pieces it’s about making the best possible team and I don’t feel like we are doing right now.

Repeating and boring myself - bitterly disappointed and frustrated.

Not good enough VK - makes it even worse when it’s from your old gaffer as well.

Since the £60m worth of loans went back he has been absolutely clueless.

[Wokingclaret]

Everton won't have an easier game than this

[scamander]

Everton fans were bemoaning having Keane and Godfrey in the starting XI. Both played very well. That's what our current level is, we're a decent reserve side. Got a couple of players out of form? Stick them in against us, we'll make them purr.

Was always going to be tough this season and I expected us to be in a relegation battle but we're not even close to making it even that. We've played a number of teams who have fielded weakened teams due to injuries etc and not landed a glove on them.

[Safron]

Can't imagine ct , can gloss this one over

[Taffy on the wing]

Tresor, Redmond and a few others stood around having a laugh with the Everton boys at full time, absolute disgrace- some of these guys don't give a crap.

You might do the same if you got 3 minutes to affect a game every week.......give 'em 10 mins at least.

[CoolClaret]

Tresor, Redmond and a few others stood around having a laugh with the Everton boys at full time, absolute disgrace- some of these guys don't give a crap.

What do you expect when we’re being run as a commercial venture now?

Something else I got crucified for on here preseason and questioning ‘the project’.

What are we just a team for people to plop themselves in the shop window?

Soulless, bland plastic shite. File alongside your tossy drummer and club approved flags.

[JBR]

Worst performance of the season, are they trying to get him sacked?

[hoskinsgoalatswansea]

Easy 3 points for Everton, and with our next run of games, I think we can forget it now. Not good enough, and despite what Kompany says we are not learning and not adapting.

[Kilson810]

Weakest most boring Burnley team I have seen in a long while. Tippy tappy nonsense for 90 mins.

[burnley007]

Player ratings should allow zero after that.

Jay needs to f off.
O'Shite is appalling
And Trafford, its time, that experiment has failed. Time for Aro

[spt_claret]

I honestly can’t figure out wtf has gone through VKs mind this season.

The man that could do no wrong. I just, I’m baffled.

But yeah - football is about building a cohesive team, complimentary how players work together.

It isn’t isolated one off bits and pieces it’s about making the best possible team and I don’t feel like we are doing right now.

Repeating and boring myself - bitterly disappointed and frustrated.

Not good enough VK - makes it even worse when it’s from your old gaffer as well.

Look at Dyche I hate to keep on. Took a team of mostly average players, added grafters and a couple of quality players and set up that the whole was greater than the sum of the parts. Got three of the better ones we had at Everton now and doing it again with a largely inherited team.
I can understand it after last year. I do think we're crying out for a bit more heart, we need a new Tella who just wholeheartedly embraces the club and fans and looks like he loves it here specifically

[warksclaret]

Everton won't have an easier game than this

And there's about 10 other teams we have played where the same exists

[KRBFC]

Flat as a fart, zero tempo, zero press. Just nothingness slowly passing the ball sideways and backwards.

Wouldn’t score if we played all weekend.

Such a boring nothing performance, reminds me of Wolves away second half. All of the ball but zero creativity or cutting edge. Just a casual stroll.

My view hasn’t ever changed, this group isn’t good enough to survive at the moment. I don’t care what players/formation/tactics you play. Even with the recent upturn in performances. It’s going to take a couple of real difference makers in January.

I still believe we will get relegated and bounce back stronger but it’s painful to suffer and watch a prolonged ending.

[FCBurnley]

I’m thinking it’s time to prepare for The championship. We are not remotely near good enough or big enough or fast enough. We have the worst keeper in the PL and a naive stubborn manager plus a chairman who seems to enjoy wasting other people’s money. What a chance we had with a 100 million budget !!! I am going on a cruise tomorrow thank God

[JBR]

Player ratings should allow zero after that.

Jay needs to f off.
O'Shite is appalling
And Trafford, its time, that experiment has failed. Time for Aro

Everyone should get a 3 including the whole management team

[Burnley1989]

I honestly can’t figure out wtf has gone through VKs mind this season.

The man that could do no wrong. I just, I’m baffled.

But yeah - football is about building a cohesive team, complimentary how players work together.

It isn’t isolated one off bits and pieces it’s about making the best possible team and I don’t feel like we are doing right now.

Repeating and boring myself - bitterly disappointed and frustrated.

Not good enough VK - makes it even worse when it’s from your old gaffer as well.

I’ll get pellets for this but I’ve always felt he thought we were relegated before we even kicked off, never says anything but how tough the league is and the gulf in class

[JBR]

Pace should be smashing the place up after that.

Show some balls Alan!

[ClaretAL]

I’m thinking it’s time to prepare for The championship. We are not remotely near good enough or big enough or fast enough. We have the worst keeper in the PL and a naive stubborn manager plus a chairman who seems to enjoy wasting other people’s money. What a chance we had with a 100 million budget !!! I am going on a cruise tomorrow thank God

Are you for real?

[ervi34]

Tresor, Redmond and a few others stood around having a laugh with the Everton boys at full time, absolute disgrace- some of these guys don't give a crap.

To be fair, I think I don't really care about them either. Maybe I'm just nostalgic and influenced by lack of results, but I wouldn't feel anything if 95% of those players were sold tomorrow.

That's what happens when you bring in so many players. No team cohesion.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

The elephant in the corner is that Kompany might not be up the required standard in this league, everyone has an ability ceiling and perhaps, just perhaps VK found his last season

[Venkys4eva]

Same s*** different day.

Trafford is a turd of a keeper

[spt_claret]

What do you expect when we’re being run as a commercial venture now?

Something else I got crucified for on here preseason and questioning ‘the project’.

What are we just a team for people to plop themselves in the shop window?

Soulless, bland plastic shite. File alongside your tossy drummer and club approved flags.

Sidenote but I always felt we just (as a club, less so fans at first but slowly as it went on) accepted the tag of dour anti football instead of actually embracing it as a marketing opportunity. The last traditionalists, 442, old school hard but fair throwbacks, British isles core and continental sprinkling of flair (admittedly needed a bit more of this the last two years), don't care how we beat you but we'll upset the big boys with 20% possession. Stoke embraced it and grew their brand, we could have done that better especially as the town's history would let us appeal to left behind towns and cities the world over, just make sure to distance ourselves from the bigots.
We threw away that marketing potential to try chase being Brentford/Brighton lite. Overseas players definitely help grow our overseas appeal so all for that but what's our USP now?

[warksclaret]

I think for me tonight proves how dreadful our coaching is. No urgency in the players when we are two down, our football consists of batches of 7 or 8 passes between O Shea and Beyer and then back to Trafford, and putting ourselves at risk.Not learning from our mistakes and substitutions made right at the end. Now that Wilder has joined Sheff Utd I cannot see another win.

[CoolClaret]

I’ll get pellets for this but I’ve always felt he thought we were relegated before we even kicked off, never says anything but how tough the league is and the gulf in class

I thought we were with our entire approach to the season tbh. It was suicide tackle doing what we did and expecting to have success.

[CoolClaret]

Sidenote but I always felt we just (as a club, less so fans at first but slowly as it went on) accepted the tag of dour anti football instead of actually embracing it as a marketing opportunity. The last traditionalists, 442, old school hard but fair throwbacks, British isles core and continental sprinkling of flair (admittedly needed a bit more of this the last two years), don't care how we beat you but we'll upset the big boys with 20% possession. Stoke embraced it and grew their brand, we could have done that better especially as the town's history would let us appeal to left behind towns and cities the world over, just make sure to distance ourselves from the bigots.
We threw away that marketing potential to try chase being Brentford/Brighton lite. Overseas players definitely help grow our overseas appeal so all for that but what's our USP now?

Totally agree and also mentioned it on here numerous times.

The only thing we had that was unique was being a traditional club that has always punched up - winning the league, founding member, pioneers in the 50s etc.

Not for everyone but there’s enough worldwide that’d have that - turning into a tinpot Brighton/Watford type?
Race to the bottom .

Have to say I’m bored of it and hate the direction the club is going in - I’ve felt like it all year/summer and games like today just reiterates that for me.

[Burnley1989]

No leaders, weak as ****… knowing Dyche you’d be rubbing your hands against us.
Annoys be because we have some great players but it’s like the year 11s playing the top years 7s, let them to tippy tappy then bully them

[Ampth7]

Well that went well!

[Westleigh]

Trafford's basically a more extreme version of Jensen to me. Great shot stopper but poor at everything else.

Even when he played for England nearly all his saves he pushes back into play,the guys a liability.

[warksclaret]

Another week the set piece coach has earned his keep. I honestly think that VK and his coaches should lock themselves away and replay comments from pundits like Jamie Rednapp and work on these. The mismatch between Brownhill & Onana for the first goal is just an example of something so obvious . Where is the research on the competition

[claret2018]

Not sure why Trafford is being singled out, he was possibly our best player today.

[Andreshotboots]

We desperately need a leader in that team. Not a single crunching tackle made all night. Sadly it looks like the players are accepting relegation too.

[JBR]

Another week the set piece coach has earned his keep. I honestly think that VK and his coaches should lock themselves away and replay comments from pundits like Jamie Rednapp and work on these. The mismatch between Brownhill & Onana for the first goal is just an example of something so obvious . Where is the research on the competition

So many examples this season they’re obviously clueless

[Wokingclaret]

Not sure why Trafford is being singled out, he was possibly our best player today.

Perhaps he's weak at corners

[distortiondave]

Not sure why Trafford is being singled out, he was possibly our best player today.

I'm not sure about that, but this team reels from letting a goal in. Trafford made an excellent save, probably world class, then jumps less than 6 inches and fails to punch the resulting corner and it's 0-1.
I knew it, you knew it, the players knew it, Dyche knew it and Kompany knew it - at that point Everton were going to win at least 1-0.

I think a good portion of these players, Trafford included, will go on to have good careers at high levels, but collectively we are soft.

[warksclaret]

We desperately need a leader in that team. Not a single crunching tackle made all night. Sadly it looks like the players are accepting relegation too.

And they just want to give the ball to someone else rather than try something that might harm the competition

[Nonayforever]

Not sure why Trafford is being singled out, he was possibly our best player today.

Yes, 3 out of 10 when everyone else gets one's or two's.

[JBR]

I'm not sure about that, but this team reels from letting a goal in. Trafford made an excellent save, probably world class, then jumps less than 6 inches and fails to punch the resulting corner and it's 0-1.
I knew it, you knew it, the players knew it, Dyche knew it and Kompany knew it - at that point Everton were going to win at least 1-0.

I think a good portion of these players, Trafford included, will go on to have good careers at high levels, but collectively we are soft.

Why does Kompany keep playing him if he knows he can’t claim corners?

[shulgin]

No actual leaders in that team. You look to experience, for example Rodriguez. But he isn't a natural leader.
Brownill as captain? Not the man. Over the last few years we have had strong personalities. Mee, Tarky, Barton, Barnes.

[bumba]

Not sure why Trafford is being singled out, he was possibly our best player today.

You must of watched a re run of lasts week's game by mistake

[Westleigh]

I'm amazed anyone thinks muric makes a difference

Well VK’s dropped everyone else surely he must think it may possibly help with a change of keeper ,the growns are starting to get louder ,and louder ,2-0 down with 10 mins to go and we’re still passing it around at the back ,did he think all the Everton players would come charging out at us so we could pass through them ,he’s either stupid or naive,but we’re sinking like the Titanic.

[distortiondave]

Why does Kompany keep playing him if he knows he can’t claim corners?

He's probably expecting him to come and claim corners.

[JimmyRobbo]

Pace should be smashing the place up after that.

Show some balls Alan!

That shows weakness, not balls.

Clubs are built over seasons. Strength comes from staying together. Strength comes from encouraging youth. Grizzled pros might need a bol****ing but young potential needs nurturing.

We need some Ashley Barnes' in among them. I assume we're both desperate for some of that.

[Westleigh]

The best player apart from a one off from Trafford last week as nearly always been a winger ,so even if the winger is playing great VK’s plan b is take a winger off for another one,so today Odebert,and Larsen looked the most dangerous so he brings on Benny ,Tresor ,Redmond ,can anyone remember a single game this season where his subs have had a positive effect ,if VK was part of the recruitment this summer he needs to take a huge amount of the blame for another shocking performance.

[Westleigh]

Not sure why Trafford is being singled out, he was possibly our best player today.

If he was the best we’re really up **** creek without a paddle ,Jensen would probably have made most of the saves he did today ,I suggest if you recorded it ,play it back and see how many times he pushes the ball back across the goals ,and how fast Pickford got the ball forward and found an Everton player ,and how slow JT got the ball forward and found an Everton player.