Everton fans in home end

MeeActon1 · Post by **MeeActon1** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:48 pm

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:32 pm
Tbf I was in the Bob Lord and it was pretty obvious what was going on. Surely someone should have twigged and tried to get a few coppers up there, it's not like it was over quickly either. I'm assuming we have a ground safety officer?

We do but only when it involves flags on sticks.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:31 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:13 pm
Already mentioned on this thread, the police are not responsible for inside the ground unless previously agreed and paid for, so they couldn't go straight in, they would have to be called for and attend...takes time.

I'm surprised by that. 20 odd thousand people in a ground with God knows how many cops lounging about outside waiting for the end of the game.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:34 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:13 pm
Already mentioned on this thread, the police are not responsible for inside the ground unless previously agreed and paid for, so they couldn't go straight in, they would have to be called for and attend...takes time.

It's pretty pointless having them if they can't make their presence felt, bit like brandishing a gun to everybody but everybody's aware the gun doesn't contain any bullets.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:44 pm

They are doing their jobs outside the ground before and after the games.
Clearly, we need to be paying for a number of officers inside the stadium.
If it kicks off and those officers are involved then they bring in reinforcements from outside because it's likely to be several offences of public disorder and their collea could be in danger.
I can't imagine a set of circumstances even these days wheres there's brawling going on in a stadium but the cops won't get involved because they've not been hired.
Anyway, call them in and settle the bill later.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:54 pm

MeeActon1 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:48 pm
We do but only when it involves flags on sticks.

If we do and he’s authorised or even been aware of this he wants sacking. He’s risked the safety of man, woman and child in that area of the ground, and he’s either done it through greed - in that he shares the boards desire to bring in as much cash as possible on match days - or he’s done it through incompetence in that he couldn’t see any risk in it.

When this was discussed at board level, those people who know absolutely NOTHING about English football and how tribal it can be in the stands (and there’s plenty in the boardroom) should have been told unequivocally what this would lead to. That’s the ground safety officers role. He’s either said nothing, or said something but not been robust enough getting his point across, in which case he shares the blame with the board members who allowed it. Of course he could also have been very robust and was told to wind his neck in.
Anyone reckon we’ll ever find out who was truly responsible? Or is someone gonna be asked to fall on his sword to protect a fool?

This absolutely reeks of both greed and incompetence.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:07 pm

MeeActon1 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:48 pm
We do but only when it involves flags on sticks.

If it’s health and safety stopping flags in our stadium then Alan needs to grow a pair and sack the H&S officer.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:09 pm

You think, and hope that those Everton supporters who purchased tickets will be banned from attending games at Burnley in future.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:10 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:09 pm
You think, and hope that those Everton supporters who purchased tickets will be banned from attending games at Burnley in future.

Good luck with that 1.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:12 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:10 pm
Good luck with that 1.

No different in trying to stop supporters who get banned by the courts is it?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:16 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:12 pm
No different in trying to stop supporters who get banned by the courts is it?

Whilst people sell tickets on it'll always happen people will be attending when they shouldn't, identifying & asking people in the thousands for ID is a logististical nightmare, all this will blow over until the next incident happens & the 1 after....

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:21 pm

I'm tempted but no.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:46 pm

Timed out before I could edit logistical.

SydneyClaret · Post by **SydneyClaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:09 pm

Back in the day they’d have got a good beating from the locals.

gingerpele · Post by **gingerpele** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:16 am

Wait until boxing day when their brothers from across Stanley Park come to town,this will be part 2 the sequel.

Flixtonclaret1 · Post by **Flixtonclaret1** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:31 am

Seen a press article this morning stating that an Everton fan got into the home dressing room before the match from an unlocked door in the concourse.

What is going on?

Sean Dyche's Watch · Post by **Sean Dyche's Watch** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:47 am

Flixtonclaret1 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:31 am
Seen a press article this morning stating that an Everton fan got into the home dressing room before the match from an unlocked door in the concourse.

What is going on?

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/arti ... mpany.html

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:19 am

Flixtonclaret1 wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:31 am
Seen a press article this morning stating that an Everton fan got into the home dressing room before the match from an unlocked door in the concourse.

What is going on?

Somebody going through a door that they know they shouldn't ?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:25 am

What an absolute embarrassment.

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:44 am

What hope is there for families being kept safe when they can't even control access to so-call secure areas. What a joke.

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:13 pm

We are being humiliated on and off the pitch.

What an absolute disaster this season is turning out to be.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:15 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:13 pm
We are being humiliated on and off the pitch.

What an absolute disaster this season is turning out to be.

It’s just not good enough at all.

An absolute car crash on and off the field since the window opened till now.

sjb · Post by **sjb** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:50 pm

gingerpele wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:16 am
Wait until boxing day when their brothers from across Stanley Park come to town,this will be part 2 the sequel.

My next door neighbour is a season ticket holder but he's away at Christmas and given his ticket to a Liverpool fan.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:01 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:25 am
What an absolute embarrassment.

It permeates throughout the club. A lack of effective management.

turbo5 · Post by **turbo5** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:05 pm

When we play Man Utd , Liverpool etc our stands will have plenty of their supporters in the home ends, Only chance some of them have of watching their team live. Seen it for years with Liverpool and Man Utd supporting work colleagues.,

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:05 pm

What needs to be done to stop the humiliation?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:15 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:05 pm
What needs to be done to stop the humiliation?

Humiliation! You need to grow some b*lls!

KlyBfc · Post by **KlyBfc** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:21 pm

I remember being one of many clarets in the Bury end (well down the side) Boxing Day 1999 ( I think). Bury season ticket holders complaining to the stewards they were surrounded by voiciferous Burnley fans. The steward moved the Bury fans.

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:15 pm
Humiliation! You need to grow some b*lls!

I’d say the security levels are at the ground are humiliating. Away supporters in the home section and fighting breaking out in front of little kids is shameful. Leaving doors unlocked in the away concourse for supporters to wander into the management meeting room is humiliating.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:31 pm

As far as iam aware we are taking the word of some scummy Everton fan, who got caught, that the door was unlocked.
Better off waiting for the facts eh?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:35 pm

The Man Utd fan/vlogger angry ginge got tickets in the lower longside 10 minutes before kick off for this seasons game, after being let down for his tickets in the away end.

A normal Burnley fan wouldn't have been able to buy them seats.

Pace and Co seem to bend over backwards for away fans.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:39 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:05 pm
What needs to be done to stop the humiliation?

I think you're overdoing it a bit now.
It's getting obvious.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:40 pm

The vast majority of “ big clubs “ do get tickets in our ends but always seem to manage to keep their heads down ( as you do in such situations) The exceptions being those cheeky blameless, selfless ,cherubic like urchins from the other end of the M62.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:10 pm

Any news on the internal investigation?

I know it’s only been a few days, but I can’t imagine why it would take this long to work out why it happened… and ultimately, who is responsible for it.

Scapegoat hunting no doubt…

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:41 pm

Probably hoping there's no bother on Boxing day and it will all blow over. Bit late to do anything when tickets have been put on sale so far ahead, apart from a greater security presence.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:53 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:10 pm
Any news on the internal investigation?

I know it’s only been a few days, but I can’t imagine why it would take this long to work out why it happened… and ultimately, who is responsible for it.

Scapegoat hunting no doubt…

Ultimately the responsibility lies at the top of the club. As you suggest however, blame will likely be apportioned somewhat further down the food chain...

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:56 pm

I want to see some heads roll tbh.

Pace very quick to lap it up last season - absolute radio silence all year.

It’s an absolute **** show.

Rodleydave · Post by **Rodleydave** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:27 pm

Dear Mr Pace... I am one of the Everton fans who bought a corporate ticket that included a seat in the James Hargreaves Upper Stand.
I paid some ridiculous high price for this.
By putting us all in a Home Stand in the way that you did surrounded by hundreds of home fans, we were placed in a dangerous and vulnerable position.
We are therefore seeking legal advice with a view to compensation for the stress and danger that you sanctioned, plus a refund of the money we paid and all travel expenses.
No club should place away supporters in such a position.
The details of our predicament and the subsequent ejection and injuries we suffered, are now with our solicitors.

That is me pretending to be an Everton supporter. Never mind their alleged behaviour, should they have been placed in this position in the first place.
Surely it is not rocket science to allocate seats in the lower corner of the Jimmy Mac Stand where things are more controllable and they don't have to be escorted by club officials up into the JHU. Shambles Burnley, utter shambles.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:30 pm

Rodleydave wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:27 pm
Dear Mr Pace... I am one of the Everton fans who bought a corporate ticket that included a seat in the James Hargreaves Upper Stand.
I paid some ridiculous high price for this.
By putting us all in a Home Stand in the way that you did surrounded by hundreds of home fans, we were placed in a dangerous and vulnerable position.
We are therefore seeking legal advice with a view to compensation for the stress and danger that you sanctioned, plus a refund of the money we paid and all travel expenses.
No club should place away supporters in such a position.
The details of our predicament and the subsequent ejection and injuries we suffered, are now with our solicitors.

That is me pretending to be an Everton supporter. Never mind their alleged behaviour, should they have been placed in this position in the first place.
Surely it is not rocket science to allocate seats in the lower corner of the Jimmy Mac Stand where things are more controllable and they don't have to be escorted by club officials up into the JHU. Shambles Burnley, utter shambles.

How about not push what would be Burnley fans on the terraces out of a seat to facilitate ******* hospitality?

And they had the cheek to go on about the atmosphere? Baffling!

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:31 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:27 pm
I’d say the security levels are at the ground are humiliating. Away supporters in the home section and fighting breaking out in front of little kids is shameful. Leaving doors unlocked in the away concourse for supporters to wander into the management meeting room is humiliating.

You talk about being humiliated and embarrassed quite a lot, in fact in almost every post. I think you need to detach yourself from the club a little bit.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:40 pm

Rodleydave wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:27 pm

Surely it is not rocket science to allocate seats in the lower corner of the Jimmy Mac Stand where things are more controllable and they don't have to be escorted by club officials up into the JHU. Shambles Burnley, utter shambles.

Why should I endour away fans where I sit in the JML ?
Wherever they are put they are not wanted !
If there's no room left in the hospitality boxes then there's no room anywhere.

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:48 pm

Rodleydave wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:27 pm
Dear Mr Pace... I am one of the Everton fans who bought a corporate ticket that included a seat in the James Hargreaves Upper Stand.
I paid some ridiculous high price for this.
By putting us all in a Home Stand in the way that you did surrounded by hundreds of home fans, we were placed in a dangerous and vulnerable position.
We are therefore seeking legal advice with a view to compensation for the stress and danger that you sanctioned, plus a refund of the money we paid and all travel expenses.
No club should place away supporters in such a position.
The details of our predicament and the subsequent ejection and injuries we suffered, are now with our solicitors.

Hardly a convincing Evertonian..

Dear Mr Pace

Ey ey like erm I am an Everton fan wot bought doze tickets like in the posh seats like err in the James Hargreaves Upper like.

I paid a fortune laaarrr - wots dat about lad?

And yous put us in wiv da Woollies. I proper dropped a big load in me underkeks. Made me smell like one of the kopsh*tes all the way home to Bootle.

I went out wiv me mates for a bevvy and they made me sit me at a bus stop outside the Alehouse.

I'm going down the Citizens Advice Centre in Bootle and I'm going to claim comunsa.. comenspation erm some cash lad to put me over christmas coz of wot you made me go through.

I'm going to see you sorted lad....!

Yours

Yozzer

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:49 pm

Aclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:40 pm
Why should I endour away fans where I sit in the JML ?
Wherever they are put they are not wanted !
If there's no room left in the hospitality boxes then there's no room anywhere.

Ps....sorry about the spelling mistake.

CardyTheClaret · Post by **CardyTheClaret** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:53 pm

It looks like the investigation has been done. The pre-match advice for the Jimmy Mac has been updated - it also mentions tagedy chanting which it never has before. They're clearly expecting a lot of Scousers.

Burnley F.C. v Liverpool F.C.
Tuesday 26th December 2023, 1730 Kick-off
Please be aware that failure to adhere to the dress code may result in refusal of admission.
To maintain the integrity of the dress code, guests who wear a replica shirt under any jacket,
coat, jumper, etc., and later remove the outer garment will also be asked to leave.
Away Fans
Our hospitality lounges are mixed with home and away fans. If you are a supporter of the away
side, then we ask that you are respectful of this and act discreetly in the support of your team,
celebrations are to be kept to a minimum should the opposition team score as you are situated
in the home end of the stadium.
If any guests are negatively affecting the experience of others, may be asked to leave the
stadium. Please note if you are ejected, the lead booker may receive a Turf Moor stadium ban
and your home club will be notified if relevant.
Home Fans
We ask home fans to refrain from any behaviour or chanting meant to antagonise away
supporters. This includes but is not limited to tragedy chanting which Burnley FC have a zero-
tolerance policy towards.

alboclaret · Post by **alboclaret** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:09 am

CardyTheClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:53 pm
It looks like the investigation has been done. The pre-match advice for the Jimmy Mac has been updated - it also mentions tagedy chanting which it never has before. They're clearly expecting a lot of Scousers.

Burnley F.C. v Liverpool F.C.
Tuesday 26th December 2023, 1730 Kick-off
Please be aware that failure to adhere to the dress code may result in refusal of admission.
To maintain the integrity of the dress code, guests who wear a replica shirt under any jacket,
coat, jumper, etc., and later remove the outer garment will also be asked to leave.
Away Fans
Our hospitality lounges are mixed with home and away fans. If you are a supporter of the away
side, then we ask that you are respectful of this and act discreetly in the support of your team,
celebrations are to be kept to a minimum should the opposition team score as you are situated
in the home end of the stadium.
If any guests are negatively affecting the experience of others, may be asked to leave the
stadium. Please note if you are ejected, the lead booker may receive a Turf Moor stadium ban
and your home club will be notified if relevant.
Home Fans
We ask home fans to refrain from any behaviour or chanting meant to antagonise away
supporters. This includes but is not limited to tragedy chanting which Burnley FC have a zero-
tolerance policy towards.

Says nothing really

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:26 am

Sounds like another PR own goal to me. Basically Burnley fans have to refrain from upsetting any Scousers who might be in the home ends.

Loyalclaret · Post by **Loyalclaret** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:28 am

Going to be a short investigation really. Knowingly sell hospitality package to large numbers of away fans, with seating in the home stand. Away fans, bouyed by numbers, sing and celebrate goals which aggregates home fans seated around them. State you will investigate. Inform away fans involved they can not buy tickets again, discipline home fans involved with stadium bans.

Continue to sell hospitality packages with away fans situated in the same home block.

Claretnick · Post by **Claretnick** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:46 am

Why have the Police and the local authority allowed the club to do this?
Are we in breach of the ground safety certificate, or does that just cover building structures.
What's the point of segregation?

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:57 am

As has been mentioned earlier the club has descended into a self inflicted shambles.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:08 am

Claretnick wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:46 am
Why have the Police and the local authority allowed the club to do this?
Are we in breach of the ground safety certificate, or does that just cover building structures.
What's the point of segregation?

It seems ridiculous to put away fans in the home sections, though I would ask if the same problems arose with city and united fans this season?

Claretnick · Post by **Claretnick** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:21 am

The club's ground safety certificate is actually available to download from Lancashire County Council's website.