Burnley v Everton - Player Ratings

[Wokingclaret]

Sure a few will leave, thats expected, but in my opinion we will retain a large main core and won’t be under as much pressure to sell as last time. But I will note that’s dependant on who is manager. Most of these players are only at Burnley because of Kompany.

Might be more pressure financially, we did spend a ton in the last window. Depends on the investors still being on board

[burnleymik]

This side would do more than fine next season. For starters, Roberts is fine at right back in the Champ and we’re clearly prioritising signing a left back. Beyer is proven in the Championship and I don’t think anyone had any issues with Ekdal. Midfield trio are all proven in the Championship and we’ve numerous wingers that are too.

There is a significant different in quality between the Prem and the Champ. Our players are young with potential and will get better.

I think we’d be in quite a unique position of most players staying and that can only be a positive.

Lots of hyperbole on this thread from the usual suspects.

Agree about the hyperbole, but I imagine a few of our players with potential will have relegation release clauses. I doubt Amdouni, Tresor and possibly a few others will want to play in the Championship.

[claretgilly]

Trafford 4
Vitinho 4
O’Shea 5
Beyer 5
Delcroix 5
JBL 5
Brownhill 4
Berge 5
Odobert 5
Amdouni 5
Jay 4

A weak, dreary, nothing performance - again. Really struggling to identify with this team, majority of whom have no credit in the bank from last year’s record-breaking season as they weren’t there. Unless we get something at Fulham we are going to be on a pitiful 8 points at the half way stage. That just doesn’t happen where teams have got 100 points in the Championship. The approach on and off the pitch has been seriously naive.

[RVclaret]

Might be more pressure financially, we did spend a ton in the last window. Depends on the investors still being on board

No one knows what was spent, what % of that inc clauses for staying up, or what our actual net revenues / cash flows look like this season. There’s a fair chance the spend falls within (or close to) what our PL budget allowed for and we only need to raise 20-30m or so as a safety net.

Last time we had a loan required to be repaid (35m) and Garlick/John B to pay off. We don’t know what the former’s situation is at present but the latter have now been fully paid.

[CJA]

Trafford 4 Absolutely top shot stopper unfortunately he is not a yet a top goalkeeper , he is weak and lacks physical presence, positioning and distribution is not PL he and the goalkeeping coaches are just not learning, no progress is being achieved as the same mistakes are occurring each week.
Vithino 4 Not a bad championship full back or winger just not PL give him credit for at least trying
O'Shea 3 not any where near good enough
Beyer 5 Tried hard under constant pressure but recycled ball too slowly so by time ball gets to the forwards Everton have 11 behind the ball
Delacroix 4 Can't see a PL player in him looked lost, many on here have criticised Taylor but he is streets ahead of this guy
Brownhill4 AWOL
Brunn Larsen. 5 I really think there is player in there somewhere but he looked overwhelmed today by the strength and organisation of the Everton Midfield and he was often isolated with little support or options.
Berge 4 A great player when things are going well, not so much like today when a shift is required
Oderbert 5 Looked lively early on but final product was lacking and faded. Still very young and will hopefully improve.
Amdouni 3 I just don't get it with him, he is just not a PL player, he should have been hooked at half time as at least Jay Rod was trying to track back and help out, Amdouni was strolling round the golf course
Jay Rod 5 Some very harsh comments on here about Jay Rod, he had NO service and the only time he got a touch was when he tracked into midfield to pick it up himself, one really good turn in first half and shot blocked by Tarks was about his only chance.

Foster 5 Good to see him back possibly the only real PL quality player we have.

VK 1 No idea at this level, Dyche who is no master tactician had him on a plate. Anyone who did not realise at 2=0 he would do a Dyche has not seen Dyche operate before.

[FCBurnley]

Well I just read every single rating and can only reach 1 conclusion. The problem is the Manager. This is his team playing his way under his coaching staff. Last season he was magnificent. This season he has been weak and hopeless.Pace and his cohorts have to decide very soon. Do they keep Kompany and prepare for The Championship or worse or do they admit they got it wrong and fire the Manager and replace him with a more experienced PL manager such as Graham Potter in the hope we can somehow stay in the PL. I am not advocating firing VK. I am saying now is the time to make the decisions. Another month will take away their options.

[taio]

Well I just read every single rating and can only reach 1 conclusion. The problem is the Manager. This is his team playing his way under his coaching staff. Last season he was magnificent. This season he has been weak and hopeless.Pace and his cohorts have to decide very soon. Do they keep Kompany and prepare for The Championship or worse or do they admit they got it wrong and fire the Manager and replace him with a more experienced PL manager such as Graham Potter in the hope we can somehow stay in the PL. I am not advocating firing VK. I am saying now is the time to make the decisions. Another month will take away their options.

They may have already decided that they will keep Kompany in the event we are relegated.

Potter is being linked with United by the way.

[CoolClaret]

Like I said I think Beyer is living on last seasons plaudits

People very quick to single out O’Shea and Delcroix (who’s barely played)

What’s Beyer doing here for Keane’s goal? First phase in that from an Everton free kick from deep.

Then Berge doesn’t sniff the danger and follow the runner.

Admittedly Delcroix doesn’t win his header but that goal comes from the poor positioning of our LCB Beyer.

[ClaretPete001]

This side would do more than fine next season. For starters, Roberts is fine at right back in the Champ and we’re clearly prioritising signing a left back. Beyer is proven in the Championship and I don’t think anyone had any issues with Ekdal. Midfield trio are all proven in the Championship and we’ve numerous wingers that are too.

There is a significant different in quality between the Prem and the Champ. Our players are young with potential and will get better.

I think we’d be in quite a unique position of most players staying and that can only be a positive.

Lots of hyperbole on this thread from the usual suspects.

The issue yesterday was not the youth of the players but a manager whose tactics and in game management are sadly lacking. The bench had experienced players on it and so does the squad.

Everton overload the midfield as a tactic and yesterday they went even further because by the second half they had 5 key players missing: Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Gueye, Young and Doucoure.

Sean Dyche changed the tactics had a defensive five, which turned into a midfield six and completely over powered us in the first half. In the second half he had to bring on a young midfielder (who had a poor half) and decided to sit in. And yet there was no response from our management team to either scenario.

Mc Neil played at left back FFS, and we still didn't really threaten a goal albeit by the second half the 3 missing defenders and two missing central midfielders made Everton play a more pragmatic game.

And to cap it all; Michael Keane was their player of the game because he was allowed to waltz into our box and smash the ball into the net..

Not a single Burnley player would have got into that Everton side even with 5 key players missing.

I haven't got a magic ball and this team was not the one that won the Championship - so I have no idea how we would do next year but I do know that we have not given ourselves a fair chance this season and it is not because of the young players.

[ksrclaret]

That goal is just an embarrassment from all involved.

Look at the space Keane has to run in on goal after one header is won, look at that defensive "line".

Absolutely woeful coaching.

[AlargeClaret]

Trafford 5 -1 great save , slow to react ( maybe ) on 2nd
Vitinho 4- shouldn’t be anywhere near starting
O’Shea 5- back up level at best
Beyer 5- try’s hard but takes a bit to recycle balls
Delcroix 5- good feet but looks miles off
JBL 5- lively but little service
Brownhill 4- a real off today for him
Berge 5- ok v poor teams but swallowed up today
Odobert 5 has something but mainly nullified
Amdouni 5- poor game for him fell over too much
Jay 5- great turn but barely even scraps to feed.

Foster 6- looked keen good to see him back

This team looks dreadful and miles off . Good to see Foster /Benson back , Taylor was a miss too

[claretspice]

Very hard to understand so many people giving good ratings to a goalkeeper responsible for conceding two goals.

I said he was not at fault for the first goal last night. Having seen it again, that was perhaps too definitive. He might have done more to compete as the MOTD analysis showed. However, he was not the prime culprit for the goal, as the Sky and MOTD analysis also showed. Brownhill, Amdouni and Brunn Larsen are all unacceptably weak. They do nothing to prevent runners coming onto the ball at pace or to give Trafford the space to attack it himself. As a result even if Trafford had done everything right, Onana would have started their contest with a significant advantage.

Other than in that instance I thought that given the limitations of his protection, Trafford did OK. He is a young keeper and clearly not the most dominant in the air (at least not yet). But that is true of plenty of keepers in this league. The difference is that most are better protected by more physical and more aggressive defenders.

That is ultimately on the manager. Last night he chose to play a lightweight centre half at left back. He could instead have played Ekdal (who uis good in the air) and moved Beyer (who is not especially as the second goal showed) to full back. That would have given us two more imposing defenders generally(Ekdal and O'Shea, who did fine last night and for me is our most robust defender) plus more height at set plays. Against a team with no massive pace on behind, but who are always going to load the box at set plays, that just seems obvious to me.

[Jacko]

Trafford 4
Vitinho 4 - Roberts should be in in front of him
O’Shea 4 - why, oh why, do we channel so much of the play through him?
Beyer 4
Delcroix 3 - single handedly making me question the manager's view of what's a quality player
Brun Larsen 4 - hideously bad crossing
Berge 5
Brownhill 4 - his role seems to have been reduced to harrying and chasing
Odobert 4
Rodriguez 4
Amdouni 3 - offers very little, should be replaced for a desperately needed extra midfielder.

[daveisaclaret]

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There's no doubt everyone in a Burnley shirt involved in the first goal was poor, but I don't really buy that that gives Onana a significant advantage over Trafford. He's allowed to use his arms and yet fails to win a header that's right on top of him. A goalkeeper has to be able to deal with that.

And that's before the Lee Grant-style save that leads to the second.

[ClaretLoup]

Trafford -5 his technique for the first goal dismantled by Shay Given on MOTD. Great save from DCL but is a Boy doing a man’s job.
Vitinho - 6 was pulled around by Everton’s change of formation.
O’Shea - 5 free pass for DCL header
Beyer - 5 passable showing
Delacroix - 5 looked like he was playing out of position
Brownhill - 5 didn’t really notice him so that begs the question why is he captain
Berge - 6 looked good in the second half
Bruun Larsen - 5 one or two good bits but no real threat to the opposition
Odebert -5 as above
Jayrod -4 one or two reducers May have slowed him down even further but no real threat
Amdouni-4 doesn’t seem to link up with either his strike partner or wingers. Had the only decent Burnley shot of the game.

Foster - 5 understandably looked rusty

Other subs.

Al-Dakhil for Delacroix, what was that about?
The others were on too late to affect the game, Tresor had a shot into the CFE.

VK schooled by Sean from start to finish. The latter changed his plan for this game which completely flummoxed our team. Plainly Kompany learnt nothing from the Cup Tie or if he did, he was unable to implement it given that we conceded from two set pieces.

What was most concerning was players hiding and the complete surrender in the first half. No fight, no heart in response to conceding except for accepting the inevitable defeat and ultimately relegation.

[KlyBfc]

Like I said I think Beyer is living on last seasons plaudits

People very quick to single out O’Shea and Delcroix (who’s barely played)

What’s Beyer doing here for Keane’s goal? First phase in that from an Everton free kick from deep.

Then Berge doesn’t sniff the danger and follow the runner.

Admittedly Delcroix doesn’t win his header but that goal comes from the poor positioning of our LCB Beyer.

Whole heartedly agree with Beyer analysis. He’s been culpable
V palace, West Ham, Arsenal and yesterday of late and yet avoids the criticism that OShea gets. Whilst I’m not convinced OShea is good enough I don’t think he’s been any worse than JB it just highlights how low in prem quality we are.

[IanMcL]

Firstly, THIS IS A PLAYER RATING THREAD, TAKE YOUR COMMENTS ELSEWHERE AND LEAVE IT AS PRESCRIBED!

Trafford 4 1 for the save. From Calvert-Lewin If he cannot master his own goal line, he needs replacing until he is tough!
Vitinho 6
O'Shea 5
Beyer 5
Delcroix 5
Bruun Larsen 7
Berge 7
Brownhill 6
Odobert 5
Amdouni 5
Rodriguez 5

Foster 5

Decent possession, as afforded by Everton. However, no command in either box.

[Jakubs Tash]

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Lots of hyperbole on this thread from the usual suspects.

What a shock, eh?!

[Vino blanco]

From tv
Trafford 5 one excellent save but the rest of his game is weak. Everton knew exactly how to pressure him. He must be nearing the moment when he is rested.
Vitinho 6 not great one on one, which is a distinct disadvantage for a full back.
O’Shea 5 struggling at this level
Beyer 6 under constant pressure from their bigger players
Delcroix 6 started quite well with a couple of decent passes down the line to Wilson, but like the rest he struggled under pressure.
Burn Larsen 5 one of our many part time wingers
Berger 7 just about our best player yesterday.
Brownhill 5 when he is ineffective he really is ineffective.
Odobert 5 another young part time winger.
Amdouni 6 very frustrating to watch, he has skill and technique, but doesn’t seem to know when and where to use them.
Jayrod 4 no service, but sadly past his sell-by date
Foster 6 showed glimpses but obviously rusty.

Like most other Burnley fans I am resigned to relegation now. After last season’s glorious footballing adventure, I can not for the life in me fully understand why we have gone down this suicidal route now we are back in the PL. A decent Everton team outfought us, outmuscled us and outthought us yesterday. Sad to see, but we are so naive, weak, and lacking desire. We have no leaders on the pitch which is disastrous for these young players. Let’s just hope we can improve quickly.

[Claret]

Trafford 6
Vitinho 6
O'Shea 6
Beyer 7
Delcroix 6
Bruun Larsen 6
Berge 7
Brownhill 6
Odobert 6
Amdouni 6
Rodriguez 6

Foster 5
Al Dakhil 6

[AGENT_CLARET]

Trafford 5
Vitinho 3
O Shea 3
Beyer 5
Delcroix 3
Berge 4
Brownhill 4
Odobert 5
Amdouini 5
Larsen 4
Rodriguez 3
Foster 4

[the_magic_rat]

Trafford 7

Vitinho 6
O'Shea 5
Beyer 6
Delcroix 6

Larsen 5
Brownhill 6
Berge 7 MOM
Odobert 7

Rodriguez 4
Amdouni 6

Foster 6
Al Dakhil 6

[Luppy]

Genuine question, if the team is ‘nowhere near the team that came up’ (this statement suggests a serious gap in quality), what’s your opinion on beating the 2nd best team in the league we came up from 5-0, and the 3rd best team in the league we came up from 2-1 away from home?

Second question, why do we need to offload players?

Sheff Utd were poor and haven’t improved. Let’s not get carried away with the Luton result - it could easily have gone the other way

The reason we won’t be as good is also linked to the fact we will have no Barnes, Jay, Cork or Taylor. All key players on and off the pitch last season. Where’s that experience being replaced? No Tella, Maatsen, THB…. And the players that have come in, Berge aside, are not as good. Nowhere near. If you think they are you’re deluded.

As for offloading players - inevitable. There will be lads we simply can’t keep based on salary alone, and one or two will undoubtedly leave based on their ability. Brownhill already linked to West Ham / Wolves. Teams will be interested in koleosho, Benson and Beyer no doubts.

The lack of “nouse” is my main concern. Can’t be underestimated and one of the main reasons we are where we are

[RVclaret]

Sheff Utd were poor and haven’t improved. Let’s not get carried away with the Luton result - it could easily have gone the other way

The reason we won’t be as good is also linked to the fact we will have no Barnes, Jay, Cork or Taylor. All key players on and off the pitch last season. Where’s that experience being replaced? No Tella, Maatsen, THB…. And the players that have come in, Berge aside, are not as good. Nowhere near. If you think they are you’re deluded.

As for offloading players - inevitable. There will be lads we simply can’t keep based on salary alone, and one or two will undoubtedly leave based on their ability. Brownhill already linked to West Ham / Wolves. Teams will be interested in koleosho, Benson and Beyer no doubts.

The lack of “nouse” is my main concern. Can’t be underestimated and one of the main reasons we are where we are

That’s a very squirmy answer to why we beat the best two Championship teams yet apparently are nowhere near as good as last season.

The rest of your answer isn’t even worth replying to in full but you calling people deluded is pretty funny,

[Newcastleclaret93]

That’s a very squirmy answer to why we beat the best two Championship teams yet apparently are nowhere near as good as last season.

The rest of your answer isn’t even worth replying to in full but you calling people deluded is pretty funny,

Depends how you look at things, we blew them away last year finishing loads of points ahead of both.

Luton are now above us and Sheffield are on the same points.

[Luppy]

That’s a very squirmy answer to why we beat the best two Championship teams yet apparently are nowhere near as good as last season.

The rest of your answer isn’t even worth replying to in full but you calling people deluded is pretty funny,

How is it a squirmy answer? It’s a detailed answer! Guess time will tell

[Jakubs Tash]

The Sheffield team lost to get there manager sacked and let’s be honest Luton should have beaten us.

What do you base your opinion of the Luton match on?

For my money, we could and probably should’ve been 3 or 4 up at half time after easily being the better team in the first half. And although Luton upped it in the second half, I can’t remember ‘getting away’ with much or Trafford making any great saves.

I’ve seen you mention this a few times but it’s far from how I saw the game. Perhaps when they equalised it felt like they had the momentum at that point and they may go on and win the game - but they didn’t.

[Jamesy]

Very hard to understand so many people giving good ratings to a goalkeeper responsible for conceding two goals.

Clearly you are not following the script.

[Jamesy]

Sure a few will leave, thats expected, but in my opinion we will retain a large main core and won’t be under as much pressure to sell as last time. But I will note that’s dependant on who is manager. Most of these players are only at Burnley because of Kompany.

Why will we not be under as much pressure to sell as last time? We still have a large debt to service and this squad containing circa 9 wide players is far too big for the Championship.
The worrying thing is we may struggle to move many of them on, as clubs won’t match or get anywhere near the transfer fees we have paid for them or get near the wages they are on.

[JBR]

Why will we not be under as much pressure to sell as last time? We still have a large debt to service and this squad containing circa 9 wide players is far too big for the Championship.
The worrying thing is we may struggle to move many of them on, as clubs won’t match or get anywhere near the transfer fees we have paid for them or get near the wages they are on.

Out of the current group I think only kolo and berge go for £15-20m each no one else has shown they can cope with the prem , Odobert is promising though if he continues as he is doing. Foster will be £15-20m if he gets back in the form he showed early doors.