Who'd be a ref ?

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Who'd be a ref ?

Post by bfcjg » Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:51 am

https://news.sky.com/story/number-of-al ... s-13033848
No surprise there is a real shortage which is being reflected in the quality in the professional game and certainly VAR officials. Will it improve or just keep deteriorating, this is a real threat to the game and to date it really hasn't been addressed. The United player sent of at the weekend swore at the ref twice and was rightly sent off, however the media blamed the ref for enforcing the rules, I certainly wouldn't recommend it as a way to enjoy being involved in football to one of my grandkids.
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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by Hipper » Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:59 am

I don't think the total number of referees in this country has a bearing on how good the top referees are.

According to a Guardian article, in 2021 there were 24,500 referees in the England, 40 of them elite.

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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by Rowls » Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:31 am

bfcjg wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:51 am
The United player sent of at the weekend swore at the ref twice and was rightly sent off, however the media blamed the ref for enforcing the rules,
^^^^^^^^

The answers are there if we're prepared to see them. It's under our noses folks.

And we wonder why referee's aren't wearing microphones.

That sending off was one of the best decisions of the season.
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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by IanMcL » Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:52 am

2 x Swearing at ref = 2 x yellow card.

2 x yellow card = red card

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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by Goody1975 » Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:55 am

Rowls wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 10:31 am
^^^^^^^^

The answers are there if we're prepared to see them. It's under our noses folks.

And we wonder why referee's aren't wearing microphones.

That sending off was one of the best decisions of the season.
The powers that be don't help with things, they announce stricter elements in regards to dissent or pressuring the referee and then dilute it after a matter of weeks.

More than two players around a referee saw the third player booked, this was strictly administered for the first few games and then seems to be yesterday's news again. You either go all in or don't bother at all, otherwise it's just a PR exercise.
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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by Rowls » Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:20 pm

Goody1975 wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:55 am
The powers that be don't help with things, they announce stricter elements in regards to dissent or pressuring the referee and then dilute it after a matter of weeks.

More than two players around a referee saw the third player booked, this was strictly administered for the first few games and then seems to be yesterday's news again. You either go all in or don't bother at all, otherwise it's just a PR exercise.
Spot on.

The PGMOL doesn't have any apparent backbone or character. It seeks to referee by a kind of "consent" between itself and the players. The referees who get promoted are the ones who are most willing to negotiate with players and officiate the game to please the star names.

Every season, the latest "clampdown" lasts a handful of games at best.

The media don't help: Refereeing decisions are fair game for scrutiny but they get slated in a way that footballing performances never do. The PGMOL ought to be speaking up for the officials when a media storm breaks, but I don't think they ever do this. They ought to be pointing out how often they're correct too - this is something to shout about that would help nurture a culture of proper respect for the officials. They never do though.

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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:43 pm

One of the biggest problems, and has been for many years, is the fact that many County FAs have not hammered people for serious misdemeanours in the past and, consequently, more coaches, players, parents et al have just jumped on the bandwagon to hurl abuse at officials of all ages.
Add to that the ridiculous happenings at the top level of the game and the lack of serious punishment given out to offenders and we are in a situation which will take a hell of a lot of putting right and I don't see it happening whilst the PGMOL is hand in hand with the PL.
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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:06 pm

Hipper wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:59 am
I don't think the total number of referees in this country has a bearing on how good the top referees are.

According to a Guardian article, in 2021 there were 24,500 referees in the England, 40 of them elite.
Of course it does. Less refs means less competition, lower standards and unworthy promotion to the top. Fast tracking some makes things even worse.

That said, it's mainly the PGMOL and the refs themselves fault. Laughably bad decision making, week in week out, no understanding of the game, unwillingness to enforce the laws and being totally happy for players to take the **** out of them every game. I don't know why they stand for it but they can't beat about wanting respect when they do absolutely nothing about earning it themselves.

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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by bfcjg » Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:10 pm

On talksport the other week there were amateur referees ringing in with stories of being attacked after games,having to lock themselves in rooms etc etc. I can see a strike soon and then what do we do ?

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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:14 pm

The media are beyond shocking in their hounding of refs ,especially if it’s a “ big 6” type club with a contentious decision ,think of the howling petulance of a Klopp,Arteta backed up by the inane rantings of a Keane ,Neville or Carragher calling for the head of the hapless Ref ,who can only make a decision as he sees fit .

Football by its nature will always have close calls, that’s what makes the game what it is . It’s nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the refs , it’s the over analysis and adoption of VAR has made things even worse .

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Re: Who'd be a ref ?

Post by Silkyskills1 » Tue Dec 19, 2023 2:36 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:10 pm
On talksport the other week there were amateur referees ringing in with stories of being attacked after games,having to lock themselves in rooms etc etc. I can see a strike soon and then what do we do ?
Sadly nothing new there. Been happening for far too long. I watch my grandson play on Sundays and his games( u13's) tend to get through largely untarnished. However, a quick look around other games going on in the vicinity can often portray a different story and a group of adults confronting a referee is not an image beneficial to any level of football.
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