Could other small clubs such as Blackburn adopt Luton's "pub team" tactics as a route to the Prem ?

[bfcjg]

It's worked for Luton as it did for Wimbledon, Watford, etc in the past. Could all this playing out from the back possession based football which requires a lot of coaching and better players/managers start to be ditched for the pack it with big guys and tw@t it forward mentality?
Hope not as the national team suffered, but when tiny clubs such as bstards have tried possession football and failed dismally ( compared to their larger and more illustrious neighbour) be tempted to use pub tactics as a route to the Prem. Could the likes of them and say Rochdale,Oldham be tempted ?

[CoolClaret]

Calling Luton's style 'pub tactics' is not only incredibly insulting but also incredibly dumb.

Proper lazy, social media inspired nonsense.

[Claretforever]

I think what Luton have done is nothing short of phenomenal. To have gone on that journey from being relegated from the Championship in 2007, dropping down and out of the league, 5 seasons in the Conference and then climbing their way back up is amazing.

They play to their strengths, just like we did under Dyche. I’d say we played some decent football at times, perhaps a little more on the floor than Luton, but if it works that’s great. We could have done with a couple of big lads and more physicality this year to be honest.

[randomclaret2]

Calling Luton's style 'pub tactics' is not only incredibly insulting but also incredibly dumb.

Proper lazy, social media inspired nonsense.

Im taking the OP as more of a dig at Blackburn than Luton

[spt_claret]

Calling Luton's style 'pub tactics' is not only incredibly insulting but also incredibly dumb.

Proper lazy, social media inspired nonsense.

It all reminds me of Jay from the Inbetweeners. Football? Completed it mate.

As if Guardiola has somehow achieved peak football and it can never be bettered or as if there's only one single tactic and approach that is football, that is "good football" or "proper football".
It's a sport. Sporting contests have an objective measurement - wins or losses. Provided you stick within the rules of the game and aren't an unsporting side deliberately injuring players etc then if you win, you've done good/proper football.
Style is irrelevant, all of art is subjective that's how you get stuff like Rothko or Tracy Emin- utter crap to me- being fawned over by some. Complaining that something isn't proper football is simply being too arrogant and insecure to admit that you couldn't deal with their tactics - and yes, "stick a load of big men on and hoof it" is a tactic. Not a subtle or complex one but still a tactic and one that works a lot.

As for the opening post, I think the big teams are also already adapting. Defenders have gotten smaller, quicker and trickier- harder prospects for average size tricky strikers but someone who can be bullied by a big unit.
Haaland is just going to be the figurehead for it and they'll attribute the change to his brilliance or Pep's genius but it's just people spotting trends and working to follow or counter them. Give it a few years and everyone will say that having a big guy who's mobile and can control the ball well with his chest, bring it down, or score with his head- oh that's proper football that is, rounded skill set. Look how when Liverpool or City go long it's a brilliant ranged pass from a playmaker, when Luton do it or we used to it's a route one kick. They'll go more direct and physical and the sports press will pretend it's a genius innovation or that it's an aspect of the game that other people, but not them honest, undervalued.

[bfcjg]

Calling Luton's style 'pub tactics' is not only incredibly insulting but also incredibly dumb.

Proper lazy, social media inspired nonsense.

Did you type that in your Nick Owen matching pyjamas set ?

[claptrappers_union]

This snobbery of tactics annoys me. It's only good football because Pep says it's good, basically.

You play to your strengths, and that is how you overcome your opponent and win games. Vincent Kompany's wont win ANY points against the top 6 this season because he wants us to play just like them.

You could run a football simulator, select two teams with one with superior players but running the same tactics and see which team wins.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It all reminds me of Jay from the Inbetweeners. Football? Completed it mate.

As if Guardiola has somehow achieved peak football and it can never be bettered or as if there's only one single tactic and approach that is football, that is "good football" or "proper football".
It's a sport. Sporting contests have an objective measurement - wins or losses. Provided you stick within the rules of the game and aren't an unsporting side deliberately injuring players etc then if you win, you've done good/proper football.
Style is irrelevant, all of art is subjective that's how you get stuff like Rothko or Tracy Emin- utter crap to me- being fawned over by some. Complaining that something isn't proper football is simply being too arrogant and insecure to admit that you couldn't deal with their tactics - and yes, "stick a load of big men on and hoof it" is a tactic. Not a subtle or complex one but still a tactic and one that works a lot.

As for the opening post, I think the big teams are also already adapting. Defenders have gotten smaller, quicker and trickier- harder prospects for average size tricky strikers but someone who can be bullied by a big unit.
Haaland is just going to be the figurehead for it and they'll attribute the change to his brilliance or Pep's genius but it's just people spotting trends and working to follow or counter them. Give it a few years and everyone will say that having a big guy who's mobile and can control the ball well with his chest, bring it down, or score with his head- oh that's proper football that is, rounded skill set. Look how when Liverpool or City go long it's a brilliant ranged pass from a playmaker, when Luton do it or we used to it's a route one kick. They'll go more direct and physical and the sports press will pretend it's a genius innovation or that it's an aspect of the game that other people, but not them honest, undervalued.

I think I’m one of the very few that finds the tippy tappy crap Pep has brought to this country incredibly boring.

Much prefer the Klopp style of football to any of this tippy tappy stuff.

[claptrappers_union]

It's funny how passing it around your 18-year-yard box is 'total football', but being direct is hoofball. Losing to an underdog team is frustrating, so it's easier to deflect criticism and blame the winning team's tactics instead.

[spt_claret]

I think I’m one of the very few that finds the tippy tappy crap Pep has brought to this country incredibly boring.

Much prefer the Klopp style of football to any of this tippy tappy stuff.

I agree entirely. Can't stand Klopp as a guy but his approach, or Ferguson's during his heyday, is my favourite to watch. Mixed approach, fast, inventive, ambidextrous attack with a threat through the middle, genuinely attacking rather than possession obsessed. Pep at Barca was fantastic but he had an unbelievable squad to work with during his tenure- prime Henry, Villa, Eto'o, Messi, a still very good Ibrahimovic, a ridiculous midfield, the best ever Spanish defensive pairing- and only one club as a threat in Real.

[CoolClaret]

I think I’m one of the very few that finds the tippy tappy crap Pep has brought to this country incredibly boring.

Much prefer the Klopp style of football to any of this tippy tappy stuff.

It's bloody awful.

La Liga for the most part is a yawn fest.

Of course if you have the overhelming best quality players in a league you can dominate the ball and slowly prod it about till you find an opening; still boring though.

[dsr]

It's worked for Luton as it did for Wimbledon, Watford, etc in the past. Could all this playing out from the back possession based football which requires a lot of coaching and better players/managers start to be ditched for the pack it with big guys and tw@t it forward mentality?
Hope not as the national team suffered, but when tiny clubs such as bstards have tried possession football and failed dismally ( compared to their larger and more illustrious neighbour) be tempted to use pub tactics as a route to the Prem. Could the likes of them and say Rochdale,Oldham be tempted ?

I hope it keeps on working. Watching a poor team playing tippy-tappy, and doing it badly, is very poor to watch. Watching two teams do it is dire. I'm sure there is something to be said for clever passing round the back, but unless the ball gets into the penalty area and shots are taken, the game isn't worth watching.

[Tricky Trevor]

Graham Taylors’ style was done on stats. How many goals come from less than5 passes?, how many goals are started from your own half? He saw the stats and launched it, pressed to get the ball back and then looked to score a quick goal.
It helped that he had a lamppost, Jenkins at CF, alongside the pace and finishing of Blissett and the delivery of John Barnes.

[bfcjg]

Watching games from lower leagues they are in the main playing the tippy tappy possession based game and it's as boring as watching us at times. As mentioned the mixed style Klopp and in fairness Howe play is far more entertaining.

[Jamesy]

Calling Luton's style 'pub tactics' is not only incredibly insulting but also incredibly dumb.

Proper lazy, social media inspired nonsense.

Spot on. It smacks of elitism or snobbery to come out with comments like the OP.

Luton scraped promotion with a team of workmanlike players who all pulled together for the cause with an excellent young manager.
Once promoted they were immediately installed by the bookies as favourites for the drop.
The astute Rob Edwards added a couple of excellent old heads, Barkley and Townsend along with a few other signings but crucially didn’t break the spine/make up of his team and they are competing week in, week out.

Yes, they may still get relegated. However, it must be more enjoyable watching Luton every week knowing that they have players who are going to give their all for the team and play until the last whistle than watching us capitulate meekly most weeks.

[Jamesy]

Watching games from lower leagues they are in the main playing the tippy tappy possession based game and it's as boring as watching us at times. As mentioned the mixed style Klopp and in fairness Howe play is far more entertaining.

Watching our tippy tappy play at the back isn’t boring for neutral or opposition supporters though. Because they know that sooner rather than later they are going to see a goal. In our net.

[boyyanno]

I agree entirely. Can't stand Klopp as a guy but his approach, or Ferguson's during his heyday, is my favourite to watch. Mixed approach, fast, inventive, ambidextrous attack with a threat through the middle, genuinely attacking rather than possession obsessed. Pep at Barca was fantastic but he had an unbelievable squad to work with during his tenure- prime Henry, Villa, Eto'o, Messi, a still very good Ibrahimovic, a ridiculous midfield, the best ever Spanish defensive pairing- and only one club as a threat in Real.

Completely agree.

[Spijed]

Bottom line is the history books only ever show what you've achieved, never how many passes you made to score a goal.

That's the only thing that really matters.

[houseboy]

Long ball game. Playing from the back. Pressing game. Who gives a sh!t. Winning (or not losing) is what matters. Playing great football (whatever that is) and getting thumped every week is not what fans want to see. Football, like all sport, is about winning. How you do it (providing you don’t cheat) doesn’t matter.

[Burnley1989]

It's worked for Luton as it did for Wimbledon, Watford, etc in the past. Could all this playing out from the back possession based football which requires a lot of coaching and better players/managers start to be ditched for the pack it with big guys and tw@t it forward mentality?
Hope not as the national team suffered, but when tiny clubs such as bstards have tried possession football and failed dismally ( compared to their larger and more illustrious neighbour) be tempted to use pub tactics as a route to the Prem. Could the likes of them and say Rochdale,Oldham be tempted ?

Ah you mean like we did prior to Kompany... Seems Dyche tactics worked slightly better at this level so far...

[Burnley1989]

I think I’m one of the very few that finds the tippy tappy crap Pep has brought to this country incredibly boring.

Much prefer the Klopp style of football to any of this tippy tappy stuff.

100% agree, its a weird obsession that the media have jumped all over.
When done right, its a joy to watch but even City who are arguable one of the best sides ever look boring when its not coming off tactically.

[Boss Hogg]

Luton’s tactics are more likely to be successful at this level than ours.

[Spijed]

In the Champions league final against Inter Man City abandoned their passing game once they went in front. They completely parked the bus. Even Pep Guardiola realised that winning the Champions league was far, far more important than sticking to any football philosophy he had.

[CoolClaret]

In the Champions league final against Inter Man City abandoned their passing game once they went in front. They completely parked the bus. Even Pep Guardiola realised that winning the Champions league was far, far more important than sticking to any football philosophy he had.

They went away to the Emirates last year and knocked it long to Haaland and bullied Arsenal.

Masterclass when People does it though, apparently

[bfcjg]

Ah you mean like we did prior to Kompany... Seems Dyche tactics worked slightly better at this level so far...

Chalk and cheese, Dyche played some great football at times.

[Woodleyclaret]

Bolton ,Sheffield United and now Luton have all used rough house tactics to get to the Premier league these are teams that one may describe as Alehouse brawlers. Ipswich are another team of cloggers.Pure talented sides like we were last year are very rare.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Bolton ,Sheffield United and now Luton have all used rough house tactics to get to the Premier league these are teams that one may describe as Alehouse brawlers. Ipswich are another team of cloggers.Pure talented sides like we were last year are very rare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERLEO6t-cmU


Yup pure cloggers Ipswich