ARTICLE: Teasdale Out

[ClaretTony]

Big news from December 1998

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/teasdale-out

[steve1264b]

It was like the sun was shining on the turf again wasnt it!

[ClaretTony]

It was like the sun was shining on the turf again wasnt it!

And he had to be bullied out of the chair, being chairman had become far more important to him than the club.

[Clovius Boofus]

£4 million in debt. That's over 8 and a half million in today's money. That's quite some debt given our turnover back in 1998.

[ClaretTony]

£4 million in debt. That's over 8 and a half million in today's money. That's quite some debt given our turnover back in 1998.

The club was on the brink again and we'd wasted time with the chairman blindly backing Shackleton in a last attempt to cling to any sort of power.

[Clovius Boofus]

The club was on the brink again and we'd wasted time with the chairman blindly backing Shackleton in a last attempt to cling to any sort of power.

Oh, yeah, I remember now. I'd forgotten about all that.

[4:20]

A massive moment in the history of our club.
Spotted a typo at the end of the article, Tony.

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[Jamesy]

In his later years Frank used to come into the 100 Club lounge. He often sat with us and we used to say hello “Mr Out”.
In fairness to him he did find it funny.

[durhamclaret]

Always remember they once announced the attendance on the Turf which was clearly wrong, said there was something like 12000 on I think, but it looked more than 15 then the chant rang out
“Teasdale, Teasdale where’s the cash, Teasdale where’s the cash” implying that our Frank had maybe pocketed what he shouldn’t, which I sure wasn’t the case. Made me chuckle though.

[Nori1958]

A massive moment in the history of our club.
Spotted a typo at the end of the article, Tony.

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Good job the club didn't put that out

[ClaretTony]

Good job the club didn't put that out

I doubt a missing letter compares with some of the errors put out by the club

[ClaretTony]

In his later years Frank used to come into the 100 Club lounge. He often sat with us and we used to say hello “Mr Out”.
In fairness to him he did find it funny.

He was a fan, no doubt about that, but his strong desire to keep hold of the chair held us back for years. In the end other directors had to go behind his back to get Barry Kilby in.

[bfcjg]

He was pathetic at the end, the club was toxic.

[dougcollins]

My mate had had a few in a Turf corporate do, and he went up to the chairman and said 'Are you Frank Teasdale?'.

The man puffed out his chest and said 'Yes I am'.

My mate replied 'THE Frank Teasdale?'

'Yes I am', he again replied.

As in 'TEASDALE OUT!' my mate then chanted. Old Frank wasn't too happy and we were summarily removed.

[Carwin261]

Whatever happened to Ray Ingleby ?

[elwaclaret]

Whatever happened to Ray Ingleby ?

Seem to remember him sticking around a couple of years in the background, then his business collapsed in the US if I remember right. Think he went back stateside to try to save it. May even have ended up being prosecuted, from memory.

[Nori1958]

Seem to remember him sticking around a couple of years in the background, then his business collapsed in the US if I remember right. Think he went back stateside to try to save it. May even have ended up being prosecuted, from memory.

Did he ever get his claret and blue jet?

[elwaclaret]

Did he ever get his claret and blue jet?

Don’t think so, but he may have ended up with a natty orange jump suit.

[sjb]

Ray lives in Blackpool & is CEO of Guest Services Worldwide. I'm not sure some of the comments on here are particularly wise.

[elwaclaret]

Ray lives in Blackpool & is CEO of Guest Services Worldwide. I'm not sure some of the comments on here are particularly wise.

Not sure why you would think that. No one has said anything defamatory. I for one was sorry when things did not work out for him. He was certainly the great hope of many Burnley fans until Barry came in on the blindside of what had looked a two horse race to take over.

[Ilkley claret]

As the person who ran the whole rights issue I had an intimate insight into how the Board, Ingelby and Barry interacted during the whole process for several months before and years after

As a lifelong Clarets fan I gained immense respect for both Frank and Barry. Ingleby also stepped up when asked to put his money in

Frank was much aligned by the uninitiated but put the club always very much against his own interests. He very much created the environment to get Barry on board and thereby lay the groundwork for the success since.

[Nori1958]

Not sure why you would think that. No one has said anything defamatory. I for one was sorry when things did not work out for him. He was certainly the great hope of many Burnley fans until Barry came in on the blindside of what had looked a two horse race to take over.

Some of it could be bad, if he's never been in prison

[Casper2]

As the person who ran the whole rights issue I had an intimate insight into how the Board, Ingelby and Barry interacted during the whole process for several months before and years after

As a lifelong Clarets fan I gained immense respect for both Frank and Barry. Ingleby also stepped up when asked to put his money in

Frank was much aligned by the uninitiated but put the club always very much against his own interests. He very much created the environment to get Barry on board and thereby lay the groundwork for the success since.

Well that goes completely against what others have said about Teasdales reluctance to step down.

[Carwin261]

Not sure why you would think that. No one has said anything defamatory. I for one was sorry when things did not work out for him. He was certainly the great hope of many Burnley fans until Barry came in on the blindside of what had looked a two horse race to take over.

Used to come on radio Lancs and talk to the guy that did the sports on Saturday ,can’t remember his name.

[ClaretTony]

Ingleby joined the board and was the major player in getting Ian Wright here. Barry Kilby has also praised him more than once for the work he did after the ITV Digital crash.

He was the club’s vice chairman for over ten years until he left the board in 2010 having been declared bankrupt.

[ClaretTony]

Frank was much aligned by the uninitiated but put the club always very much against his own interests. He very much created the environment to get Barry on board and thereby lay the groundwork for the success since.

I think you would form a different opinion if you spoke to some of the other people directly involved.

[randomclaret2]

Used to come on radio Lancs and talk to the guy that did the sports on Saturday ,can’t remember his name.

Gary Hickson

[sjb]

Not sure why you would think that. No one has said anything defamatory. I for one was sorry when things did not work out for him. He was certainly the great hope of many Burnley fans until Barry came in on the blindside of what had looked a two horse race to take over.

You insinuated he may have been prosecuted and imprisoned. This may be so - I have no idea - but if it isn't the case it's not a particularly helpful comment.

[Ilkley claret]

I think you would form a different opinion if you spoke to some of the other people directly involved.

Just my own opinion from being at the centre of all the discussions at the time.

I’m the history of the Club, Teasdale doesn’t get the credit he deserves

[Inchy]

Didn’t Teasdale deny anyone had offered a takeover of the club at the AGM, only for a member of the audience to state they had offered to buy the club?


I was a kid at the time but I remember the active role the CISA played in pressuring the board.

Countless hours were committed by a number of fans.

Kilby saved the club and if anyone deserve a statue, road name, stand name etc. it’s him

[Inchy]

Just my own opinion from being at the centre of all the discussions at the time.

I’m the history of the Club, Teasdale doesn’t get the credit he deserves

How much did Teasdale pay for his shares?
How much of his personal wealth did he invest?
How much did he make from the sale?

[Ilkley claret]

How much did Teasdale pay for his shares?
How much of his personal wealth did he invest?
How much did he make from the sale?

A rights issue is where the money goes into the club rather than shareholders pockets. Existing shareholders ( Frank, Clive etc)need to accept significant dilution to their proportionate individual shareholding to allow a new shareholder ( Barry) to acquire a majority shareholder.

Ingleby had built up a shareholding also but agreed to put a further significant sum into the club in order to maintain his proportionate shareholding

If Frank hadn’t agreed to his shareholding being significantly diminished the deal would have never happened. Hence why I believe Frank is very much misunderstood in terms of his role in facilitating Barry’s investment.

[steve1264b]

Teasdale worked for multipart (i think).

There was a share issue when we were in the toilet, he put in 20 or 30k.

It got him controlling interest at a time when others wouldnt.

Fair play to him on that.

He loved the club but he didnt have a "personal wealth" that others had.

He deserves some credit post Bond for running a tight ship and bringing the debt down.

It did condemn us to years of 4th division football.

But he should have stepped aside much earlier than he did.

If your a local lad made good it must be difficult to give up chairmanship of our great club.

[ClaretTony]

Just my own opinion from being at the centre of all the discussions at the time.

I’m the history of the Club, Teasdale doesn’t get the credit he deserves

I’m afraid he doesn’t get the criticism he deserved. He held people off time and again to keep control and then backed the lame horse Shackleton to keep Ingleby away. Be assured that this rights issue and his departure were not his doing. He was always John Gilbraith’s man on the board and I’m not sure he himself ever bought any shares.

More than once he was left embarrassed at AGMs - none more so than when he lied to shareholders telling them there had been no offers for the club when there had. He should have been forced to go then.

[Ilkley claret]

I stand by my view having been “in the room” and as the person who came up with the rights issue structure and deal between all parties.

[ClaretTony]

I stand by my view having been “in the room” and as the person who came up with the rights issue structure and deal between all parties.

And I will 100% stand by my comments

[lakedistrictclaret]

I have no knowledge of the internal politics of the club at the time, but the main thing I remember about Frank Teasdale is that when introducing our new manager, he got the manager's name wrong not once, but twice:-
1. He referred to Chris Waddle as Chris Hoddle
2. He called Stan Ternent Stan TerNENT ( with the stress on the second syllable rather than the first).

[ClaretTony]

I have no knowledge of the internal politics of the club at the time, but the main thing I remember about Frank Teasdale is that when introducing our new manager, he got the manager's name wrong not once, but twice:-
1. He referred to Chris Waddle as Chris Hoddle
2. He called Stan Ternent Stan TerNENT ( with the stress on the second syllable rather than the first).

I once asked Stan how his surname was pronounced. He said it was the way we know it in Lancashire but in the north east it is TerNENT.

Barry Kilby wrote in his book that Stan & Teasdale weren’t even speaking when he joined the board. Chris Waddle has recently been very critical of Teasdale and Adrian Heath similar when he left. He did get on well with Jimmy Mullen but I think we can work that one out.

[Ilkley claret]

Tony I’m not looking for an argument. I very much respect your knowledge and insight of the club. However on this particular period of time in our clubs history I was heavily involved and witnessed first hand the actions and behaviours of the key individuals.

Teasdale was not as bad as you make out

[ClaretTony]

Tony I’m not looking for an argument. I very much respect your knowledge and insight of the club. However on this particular period of time in our clubs history I was heavily involved and witnessed first hand the actions and behaviours of the key individuals.

Teasdale was not as bad as you make out

I got on really well with him, and he was a nice man. But he held people off who were trying to come in and then lied to the shareholders about it. I know just how important it was to him, hanging on as chairman.

[Ilkley claret]

I was brought in to review all the various offers. Several of them had very little, if any substance to them and it was Franks role as Chairman to only consider offers that had real merit. That’s what I saw him doing rather than being totally selfish.
He fully engaged with Barry knowing he was a man of substance and wanted the best for the club in the long term. As I have said to be fair to Ingleby he was also someone who fully engaged with the rights issue and put substantial monies in alongside Barry.
If Frank wanted to be completely selfish he could have held out for more money for his shares but he didn’t to his credit because he wanted Barry’s money to go into the club for transfers, Steve Davis being the first significant one I believe.

[ClaretTony]

I was brought in to review all the various offers. Several of them had very little, if any substance to them and it was Franks role as Chairman to only consider offers that had real merit. That’s what I saw him doing rather than being totally selfish.
He fully engaged with Barry knowing he was a man of substance and wanted the best for the club in the long term. As I have said to be fair to Ingleby he was also someone who fully engaged with the rights issue and put substantial monies in alongside Barry.
If Frank wanted to be completely selfish he could have held out for more money for his shares but he didn’t to his credit because he wanted Barry’s money to go into the club for transfers, Steve Davis being the first significant one I believe.

I'll end this because I know totally different to you - I certainly don't know about some of the stuff you know about but I think you are so far off track with the 'fully engaged with Barry' suggestion.

[dougcollins]

I
2. He called Stan Ternent Stan TerNENT ( with the stress on the second syllable rather than the first).

He's a long way from being the only one in Burnley to pronounce it that way.

[Ilkley claret]

I'll end this because I know totally different to you - I certainly don't know about some of the stuff you know about but I think you are so far off track with the 'fully engaged with Barry' suggestion.

Let’s agree to disagree then!

[ClaretTony]

Let’s agree to disagree then!

Just one final word - Barry Kilby wouldn't have been there had Bob Blakeborough and Clive Holt not gone to him without Frank Teasdale's knowledge. I really could say a lot more but I don't want to break any confidences.

[elwaclaret]

You insinuated he may have been prosecuted and imprisoned. This may be so - I have no idea - but if it isn't the case it's not a particularly helpful comment.

Your opinion. A question was asked I answered from my memory, and made it clear I was doing so. If it was not helpful, perhaps that is because it was not replying to you.

[elwaclaret]

Some of it could be bad, if he's never been in prison

No I’m happy enough with it, I make no reference to prison, or even stated it definitely went to court.

[Ilkley claret]

Just one final word - Barry Kilby wouldn't have been there had Bob Blakeborough and Clive Holt not gone to him without Frank Teasdale's knowledge. I really could say a lot more but I don't want to break any confidences.

Whatever the origins, Frank acted in the best interests of the Club thereafter.

Teasdale In!

[elwaclaret]

Whatever the origins, Frank acted in the best interests of the Club thereafter.

Teasdale In!

Was always Marmite with people who met Frank Teasdale. I’ve been told before his health suffered when things went pear shaped, with worry but put up a fronts that upset a lot of people.

[Ilkley claret]

Was always Marmite with people who met Frank Teasdale. I’ve been told before his health suffered when things went pear shaped, with worry but put up a fronts that upset a lot of people.

He had “so called “ fans deliberately block up his gas flu outside his home in an attempt to poison him!

No wonder he worried!