ARTICLE: Rebecca Welch to make history at Craven Cottage

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:10 pm

Info on tomorrow's referee

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/rebecca-we ... en-cottage

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:17 pm

Probably the first time she's had VAR, I would imagine it takes some getting used to.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:21 pm

simonclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:17 pm
Probably the first time she's had VAR, I would imagine it takes some getting used to.

She officiated at the FIFA women’s World Cup this summer with VAR

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:04 pm

Good luck to her, she can't be anyworse than some of the useless refs we've had this season

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:17 pm

Work hard, try your best and learn everything you can about the game and how to referee it, prove yourself worthy of a place in the top league (even tho it only took you 8 games to prove it) then run around for 90 minutes listening to instructions from another referee in a studio somewhere.

Like everyone else, I wish her the best of luck. Let’s hope we don’t notice her, that’s the best sign a ref’s doing ok.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:21 pm

Women don't like taking instructions from men, maybe she'll tell the VAR bloke that she's sticking to her on field decision!

groove · Post by **groove** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:22 pm

Should be nowhere near the men's game. I see no need for it at all. There isn't a shortage of male referees. Virtuous box ticking bull****. Its just another ploy to demasculate the game.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:25 pm

groove wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:22 pm
Should be nowhere near the men's game. I see no need for it at all. There isn't a shortage of male referees. Virtuous box ticking bull****. Its just another ploy to demasculate the game.

I would much rather a female ref and a male commentator than a male ref and a female commentator.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:55 pm

Good luck to her. Despite all the misogyny on here I am proud that our club is involved in this first for a premier league game.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:56 pm

Good luck to her. Despite all the misogyny on here I am proud that our club is involved in this first for a premier league game.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:48 pm

groove wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:22 pm
I see no need for it at all. There isn't a shortage of male referees.

Is that a fact? I thought there was, and there certainly appears to be a shortage of capable ones based on recent experience.

groove · Post by **groove** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:04 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:48 pm
Is that a fact? I thought there was, and there certainly appears to be a shortage of capable ones based on recent experience.

Not to the extent of having to recruit females to do the job. This isn't being done because of a shortage. And if we're going down the road of capabilities and the oft quoted "can't be worse than some of the males we've got", maybe we should replace James Trafford with Mary Earps.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:33 am

groove wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:04 pm
Not to the extent of having to recruit females to do the job. This isn't being done because of a shortage. And if we're going down the road of capabilities and the oft quoted "can't be worse than some of the males we've got", maybe we should replace James Trafford with Mary Earps.

Like the vast majority I wish her all the best, since it would appear that there will be a good number who would like to see her fail.
(The analogy - by the way - is irrelevant, since she doesn't need to match a male "physically" if her positioning and judgment are sound. There are some excellent female referees officiating in junior games that I have watched)

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:42 am

At least we'll be 1st up on MOTD

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:42 am

No Ney Never wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:21 pm
Women don't like taking instructions from men, maybe she'll tell the VAR bloke that she's sticking to her on field decision!

I imagine she will do it very nicely. "Sorry, VAR, I saw all I needed to do first time. I'm sticking with my first decision. Thanks, anyway."

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:52 am

groove wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:22 pm
Should be nowhere near the men's game. I see no need for it at all. There isn't a shortage of male referees. Virtuous box ticking bull****. Its just another ploy to demasculate the game.

Hi groove, have you slipped into a time warp? It's now 2023, not 1921 when the FA used the "reasoning" you are quoting to ban women playing football. Other than physical differences, which is why men and women often compete separately in sports, there are no reasons why we need to reserve some jobs for women and others for men.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:59 am

groove wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:22 pm
Should be nowhere near the men's game. I see no need for it at all. There isn't a shortage of male referees. Virtuous box ticking bull****. Its just another ploy to demasculate the game.

Do you refuse to buy a pie from the lasses serving on the concourse?

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:19 am

Good luck to the lass, I hope she has a good game.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:21 am

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:59 am
Do you refuse to buy a pie from the lasses serving on the concourse?

Hopefully they'll refuse to serve him.

Spindles · Post by **Spindles** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:24 am

Hopefully the players will be more reserved about abuse and trying to pressure her. I don't have any problems with this; she will be implementing the same rules as the men so there is no reason she won't be as good or better than the quite frankly useless crop of top flight officials. Consistency is all we're asking for, both in and across matches.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:42 am

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:55 pm
Good luck to her. Despite all the misogyny on here I am proud that our club is involved in this first for a premier league game.

Yep we've got an article from CT and a thread from Jdrobbo focusing on this whilst they completely ignore some horrible misogynistic comments on the Joey Barton and SPOTY threads.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:52 am

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:04 pm
Good luck to her, she can't be anyworse than some of the useless refs we've had this season

That's a pretty sexist comment!

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:55 am

groove wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:22 pm
Should be nowhere near the men's game. I see no need for it at all. There isn't a shortage of male referees. Virtuous box ticking bull****. Its just another ploy to demasculate the game.

They're only capable of getting food on the table and having bairns.

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:59 pm

groove wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:22 pm
Should be nowhere near the men's game. I see no need for it at all. There isn't a shortage of male referees. Virtuous box ticking bull****. Its just another ploy to demasculate the game.

The fragile masculinity on show here is quite breathtaking.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:00 pm

Really hope she has a good game -

My only question is has she gone through the rigours of reffing in the football league and the championship? Or just been chucked in to the PL?

If she has and it’s a process then brilliant - if it’s chucked straight in then that’s a different matter.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:54 pm

Thought she had a pretty good first half for her first game.

Andingle · Post by **Andingle** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:00 pm

Can we have her every week

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:01 pm

Best ref I’ve seen this season so far

Well done young lady

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:02 pm

Yes an excellent performance to say it was her first PL game.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:02 pm

She just didn;t fall for the constant play acting and allowed the game to flow more. Would like to see more of that!

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:04 pm

A good game for her to ref.
She passed with flying colours. We'll done.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:05 pm

Plus she had to cope with the non-stop whingeing from their manager.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:05 pm

Barring a baffling foul given against Amdouni when he had been shoved, I thought she was great. The game flowed and didn’t you notice the players felt less entitled to shout and whinge at her - something to be said for that. She had authority.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:06 pm

Thought she favoured then in some 50 50 decisions apart from that brilliant performance.

Dressinggown · Post by **Dressinggown** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:30 pm

She was certainly in the spotlight and did a decent job today.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:31 pm

She did a good job

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:34 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:00 pm
Really hope she has a good game -

My only question is has she gone through the rigours of reffing in the football league and the championship? Or just been chucked in to the PL?

If she has and it’s a process then brilliant - if it’s chucked straight in then that’s a different matter.

I think the phrase is - fast tracked. There has to be more diversity.

She did alright anyway.

She could win next years SPOTY and wear a 'knickerless dress' like Mary Earps.

hetheclaret · Post by **hetheclaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:35 pm

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:59 pm
The fragile masculinity on show here is quite breathtaking.

There are lots of angry little men about sadly.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:35 pm

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:34 pm
I think the phrase is - fast tracked. There has to be more diversity.

She did alright anyway.

She could win next years SPOTY and wear a 'knickerless dress' like Mary Earps.

She was prob the best ref we’ve had all year - at least equalling anyone we’ve had!

hetheclaret · Post by **hetheclaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:36 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:00 pm
Really hope she has a good game -

My only question is has she gone through the rigours of reffing in the football league and the championship? Or just been chucked in to the PL?

If she has and it’s a process then brilliant - if it’s chucked straight in then that’s a different matter.

There are plenty of male referees who have reached the PL after not much time in the lower leagues. Similar to how some players will rocket up the leagues when they’re clearly good enough.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:37 pm

Thought she did a good job.
A better one than some we've had.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:37 pm

hetheclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:36 pm
There are plenty of male referees who have reached the PL after not much time in the lower leagues. Similar to how some players will rocket up the leagues when they’re clearly good enough.

I wouldn’t know. She was good, hope she has a good career reffing

jos · Post by **jos** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:39 pm

Well done Rebecca, can we have you every week?

groove · Post by **groove** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:11 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:59 am
Do you refuse to buy a pie from the lasses serving on the concourse?

Why would I?

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:15 pm

She let a few things go, but that's how I like it, she did well

groove · Post by **groove** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:15 pm

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:59 pm
The fragile masculinity on show here is quite breathtaking.

Ahh right. Because I'm a traditionalist and don't agree with the demasculation of football, and society in general, I must be fragile. You'll be calling me far-right next. Because of people like you our society is crumbling. You just bend over and take it in the a**e.

groove · Post by **groove** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:16 pm

ecc wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:55 am
They're only capable of getting food on the table and having bairns.

I would never agree with that.

groove · Post by **groove** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:19 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:52 am
Hi groove, have you slipped into a time warp? It's now 2023, not 1921 when the FA used the "reasoning" you are quoting to ban women playing football. Other than physical differences, which is why men and women often compete separately in sports, there are no reasons why we need to reserve some jobs for women and others for men.

Why would women want some jobs that are traditionally male positions? We'll have male nuns next.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:19 pm

groove wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:15 pm
Ahh right. Because I'm a traditionalist and don't agree with the demasculation of football, and society in general, I must be fragile. You'll be calling me far-right next. Because of people like you our society is crumbling. You just bend over and take it in the a**e.

I mean, it does come across like you’re quite fragile.

groove · Post by **groove** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:23 pm

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:33 am
Like the vast majority I wish her all the best, since it would appear that there will be a good number who would like to see her fail.
(The analogy - by the way - is irrelevant, since she doesn't need to match a male "physically" if her positioning and judgment are sound. There are some excellent female referees officiating in junior games that I have watched)

I was'nt wishing her to fail. I thought she had a decent game. She will succeed and do very well, paving the way for others. That's already been decided. Mine, and everybody's opinions are irrelevant. But I still have one.