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Motd

Post by expoultryboy » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:31 pm

Oh dear , how can a good tackle lead to a second yellow ?

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Re: Motd

Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:36 pm

Mr Jones has a habit of getting things wrong at the City Ground.
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Re: Motd

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:41 pm

Poor Referee

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Re: Motd

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:41 pm

This is a referee who not only makes wrong calls week after week, but does it with such glee and arrogance.

He’s an officious knob.
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Re: Motd

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:45 pm

Jones is horrific but it also highlights the need for a second yellow leading to a red to go to VAR. I think he was the ref at Leeds for off when he got 99.9% of things wrong. He is the poorest ref in the PL imho
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Re: Motd

Post by StayingDown4Ever » Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:56 pm

I’ve only been half watching it but they seemed full of praise for TAA in the Liverpool game - didn’t I see him miss a great chance to win it when Liverpool had about three men over on a counter attack?

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Re: Motd

Post by Goliath » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:04 pm

Luton are looking like a very dangerous side now.

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Re: Motd

Post by dougcollins » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:06 pm

Goliath wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:04 pm
Luton are looking like a very dangerous side now.
They make very good use of all their dead-ball opportunities.

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Re: Motd

Post by Goliath » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:18 pm

Yep Barkley adds some class to them as well. Hed be back in the England squad if it was up to me

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Re: Motd

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:20 pm

Luton at Bramall Lane on Tuesday, great chance for them, they look good (though Newcastle are burnt out).

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Re: Motd

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:31 pm

Goliath wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:04 pm
Luton are looking like a very dangerous side now.
there were a few Luton fans on the radio a couple of weeks ago saying he was only on a 6 month contract and they were concerned he'd be off in January given his form. I can't find confirmation either way

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Re: Motd

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:31 pm

We're on.

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Re: Motd

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm

Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?

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Re: Motd

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:39 pm

Two excellent finishes.

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Re: Motd

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:41 pm

Wonderful finishes and well deserved 3 points

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Re: Motd

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:46 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm
Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?
massively, playing with confidence. If he carries on others will be looking at him

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Re: Motd

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:46 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm
Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?
Shock horror, playing with better players makes you play better.

I think it's the manager who's stepped up a level, and now doesn't have McNeil just running up and down the wing like a headless chicken.

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Re: Motd

Post by Carwin261 » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:50 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:45 pm
Jones is horrific but it also highlights the need for a second yellow leading to a red to go to VAR. I think he was the ref at Leeds for off when he got 99.9% of things wrong. He is the poorest ref in the PL imho
Comes across as arrogant pompous sod,hasn’t a clue but he’ll probably go right to the top.

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Re: Motd

Post by Roosterbooster » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:51 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:45 pm
Jones is horrific but it also highlights the need for a second yellow leading to a red to go to VAR. I think he was the ref at Leeds for off when he got 99.9% of things wrong. He is the poorest ref in the PL imho
But what if the 2nd yellow is correct, and the 1st was wrong. Do you check every yellow? Or just go back to review the first if they also receive a 2nd yellow... And what about the yellows that are an accumulation of things, rather than a single event? Minefield

Could just scrap VAR 🤷‍♂️
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Re: Motd

Post by Goliath » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:02 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:31 pm
there were a few Luton fans on the radio a couple of weeks ago saying he was only on a 6 month contract and they were concerned he'd be off in January given his form. I can't find confirmation either way
Ive no idea but if it were true i think youd have about 15 prem teams queing up for him so i doubt it.
If hes available on the cheap hed be a very good addition for United. Id be surprised if they werent sniffing around Solanke at Bournemouth as well

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Re: Motd

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:03 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm
Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?
He looks a lot fitter now, at the that age where your body has grown as much as it can naturally.

But by playing with better players the opposition back off him, for us they surrounded him.

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Re: Motd

Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:04 am

That does sound like a logistical nightmare tbf.

I think, personally, the only way we’ll ever see a review for a yellow is if they introduce sin bins - like rugby.

And that wont happen.

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Re: Motd

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:08 am

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:51 pm
But what if the 2nd yellow is correct, and the 1st was wrong. Do you check every yellow? Or just go back to review the first if they also receive a 2nd yellow... And what about the yellows that are an accumulation of things, rather than a single event? Minefield

Could just scrap VAR 🤷‍♂️
I agree, I'd get rid
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Re: Motd

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:16 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:46 pm
massively, playing with confidence. If he carries on others will be looking at him
Hope Southgate is one of them

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Re: Motd

Post by Goliath » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:44 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:03 am
He looks a lot fitter now, at the that age where your body has grown as much as it can naturally.

But by playing with better players the opposition back off him, for us they surrounded him.
If he'd have had any other manager than Dyche im not sure hed have made it. Always had wonderful technique, but never looked too have the natural stamina you'd expect from a young player, still doesn't tbh. He's always absolutely blowing but having Dyche on him constantly has made him into a very good PL player.
Lampard didnt have a clue what to do with him.

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Re: Motd

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:56 am

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:41 pm
Poor Referee
Agreed!........He thinks it's all about him. Horrible referee.

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Re: Motd

Post by addisclaret » Sun Dec 24, 2023 1:08 am

Taffy on the wing wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:56 am
Agreed!........He thinks it's all about him. Horrible referee.
Dreadful performance as usual, no doubt the red card will be overturned but that doesn't give back 67 minutes of the game on equal footing. Surely something has to be in place where the VAR can say "Mate you have a sick hair cut but that was a terrible decision, never a second yellow, overturn it and get on with the game"

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Re: Motd

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:57 am

addisclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2023 1:08 am
Dreadful performance as usual, no doubt the red card will be overturned but that doesn't give back 67 minutes of the game on equal footing. Surely something has to be in place where the VAR can say "Mate you have a sick hair cut but that was a terrible decision, never a second yellow, overturn it and get on with the game"
can't be overturned can it ? 2 yellows

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Re: Motd

Post by addisclaret » Sun Dec 24, 2023 3:21 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:57 am
can't be overturned can it ? 2 yellows
I think it can be overturned. If it was a straight red and backed up with VAR then I don't think it can but I think they can ask for the second yellow to be rescinded and just add one yellow to his disciplinary record.

Really hope so because that was as bad a decision as Ben Mee getting wiped out and Ash scoring from the rebound and not getting either a goal or a pen from it.

But same clown in charge and seems to be one of the preferred ones these days for top games along with Paul "I can't make a decision to save my life" Tierney.

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Re: Motd

Post by beddie » Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:08 am

He’s a shocking referee is Jones, it’s all about him.

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Re: Motd

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:51 am

The big problem with Jones (apart from him mincing around the pitch and struggling to keep up with play) is that on the big and crucial decisions he never gives himself any thinking time to assess the situation. He's simply not learning or not being pulled up on. You watch him he does it virtually every single game he's in the centre for and he's been doing it for years. It's quite a simple thing to correct too but Jones seems incapable of unwilling to correct it!

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Re: Motd

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:10 am

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:51 pm
But what if the 2nd yellow is correct, and the 1st was wrong. Do you check every yellow? Or just go back to review the first if they also receive a 2nd yellow... And what about the yellows that are an accumulation of things, rather than a single event? Minefield

Could just scrap VAR 🤷‍♂️
It would be better to just scrap Jones

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Re: Motd

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:11 am

Goliath wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:44 am
If he'd have had any other manager than Dyche im not sure hed have made it. Always had wonderful technique, but never looked too have the natural stamina you'd expect from a young player, still doesn't tbh. He's always absolutely blowing but having Dyche on him constantly has made him into a very good PL player.
Lampard didnt have a clue what to do with him.
I think he's a superb footballer.

All ifs and maybes about making it though. Plenty of great footballers struggle under certain managers.

Even Le Tissier wasn't played by one Southampton manager because he didn't run enough.

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Re: Motd

Post by No Ney Never » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:37 am

If this VAR technology is there to assist the ref and ensure the correct decision is arrived at, why then put restrictions on the issues where it can be referred to?

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Re: Motd

Post by Nori1958 » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:39 am

No Ney Never wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:37 am
If this VAR technology is there to assist the ref and ensure the correct decision is arrived at, why then put restrictions on the issues where it can be referred to?
Probably to stop the game lasting 3hrs :lol:

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Re: Motd

Post by ArmchairDetective » Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:47 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm
Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?
Been thinking the same thing recently. Good for him. Put in a lot of hard work with us and didn't always get the recognition for it. Good to see him kicking on.
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Re: Motd

Post by Hipper » Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:32 am

On McNeil, of course he was younger with us and came in and was suddenly playing a lot of top football in a short time. I suspect he was still physically developing and it told. He's now 24, fully developed and we are starting to see the good player that he is pretty consistently.

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Re: Motd

Post by expoultryboy » Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:37 am

He did get the recognition when he gave 100% effort which was not all the time .

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Re: Motd

Post by clarethomer » Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:53 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:35 pm
Loved McNeil when he played for us but is it just me that thinks he has really stepped up a level in the last few months?
Yep he looks a far more mature/confident/experienced player who now has players around him which are probably a level above those he played with at Burnley.
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Re: Motd

Post by Hipper » Sun Dec 24, 2023 3:36 pm

expoultryboy wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:37 am
He did get the recognition when he gave 100% effort which was not all the time .
Maybe he couldn't. He also looks Waddlesque sometimes.

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Re: Motd

Post by Spijed » Sun Dec 24, 2023 3:39 pm

Certainly shows that when you've got a left foot as good as his then being two footed matters little.

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