Burnley Vs Liverpool - Match Thread

[KRBFC]

I think "really good" stretches it massively. We hung on and battled, but if it wasn't for Trafford's shot stopping and Liverpool's inconsistency in front of goal they'd have had far more, and we couldn't muster an effort on target from all our chances.

If that's "really good" I dread what bad is. We've been worse this season sure, we had a few chances sure, but did nothing with them and could easily have conceded 4 or 5.

An Liverpool could have scored 4 or 5 against Arsenal too. What’s your point?

Any side fighting relegation will need to battle, hang on and hope Liverpool miss chances to get anything. That’s football at the top v at the bottom.

[Herts Clarets]

Second best in all areas apart from the keeper against a Liverpool side who didn't need to get out of Second gear.

[Croydon Claret]

Some people booing the Clarets off.

There's a club 12 miles down the road that they may wish to go and support instead

[Foshiznik]

Surprised no one has mentioned how poor Allison’s distribution was today, given he’s the standard Trafford is held to by some one here.

[KRBFC]

"Really good"

Wow. Standards really have plummeted.

I think Liverpool are the best side in the league atm and feared we’d get tonked 4 or 5. Well in the game with 5 to go, could have nicked something. I’m fine with that.

[matttheclaret]

Second best in all areas apart from the keeper against a Liverpool side who didn't need to get out of Second gear.

Just out of interest, did you expect us to be first best against a Liverpool side in any areas?

[Awayfromburnley]

Some people booing the Clarets off.

There's a club 12 miles down the road that they may wish to go and support instead

Not sure it was booing Burnley off, more the Liverpool players and their celebrations

[spt_claret]

An Liverpool could have scored 4 or 5 against Arsenal too. What’s your point?

Any side fighting relegation will need to battle, hang on and hope Liverpool miss chances to get anything. That’s football at the top v at the bottom.

My point is I don't see how it can be a really good performance if we can't hit the target, we're supposed to be an attacking side but if we can't even get shots on target we're not doing it right. Even if we consider it unlucky that we missed 2 or 3 of our chances, they missed double that and had 2 disallowed (correctly). We were outmatched- which I expected, I expected to lose going in so I'm not devastated by that or anything. I just think it's an unbelievable low bar to call that "really good" when we couldn't hit the target and our MOM was a keeper who still let one through his legs.

[Colburn_Claret]

No qualms with the result, should be expected, but sick that we didn't lay a glove on them.
Confidence is missing , but we are so rigid in our style that even if we had the confidence, I doubt we'd change anything.

VK isn't giving this team a chance of staying up. I love what he is aiming for, I just wish he'd take the baby steps necessary, rather than pretend we can compete at ticky tacky against Liverpool. We can't.

[RVclaret]

First half too passive and wasteful. Decent second half and can’t miss that many openings against Premier League leaders.

[South West Claret.]

Never had a shot on target according to the BBC.

[ClaretAL]

We had 4 gilt edge chances to score against the top of the league, opened them up throughout the 2nd half. I would have taken 0 - 2

[CombatClaret]

Clear chances missed. Berge 2 BL 1 JBG 1

Burnley xG of 0.75
Liverpool xG 1.95

They had 10 shots on target, we had none. I don't think lucky had much to do with it today. It did at Fulham when we scored both our 2 shots with an xG of 0.4

[CoolClaret]

The point is we created enough in the second half to get something out of the game and didn't fall to pieces after conceding.

We're learning/growing... at a slower rate than I/we'd have liked but lets not pretend like this was a Villa/Spurs/Chelsea type game

[BurnleyFC]

Thought we did OK after Liverpool’s second was disallowed.

Trafford played well, O’Shea had a good game again and Odobert was a threat.

[wbfc]

I was at the 3-3 draw at York mentioned in the old season review ..we were struggling to get a draw against the mighty Minsterman

I think.todlay based on what I have seen previously was a reasonable performance

But it could have been 3-7.

[Pickles]

I think Liverpool are the best side in the league atm and feared we’d get tonked 4 or 5. Well in the game with 5 to go, could have nicked something. I’m fine with that.

Still in the game because of Liverpool's inadequacies, nothing to do with how we played bar some Trafford saves. I thought we'd get beat 4-0 but let's be honest, Klopp won't be pleased it took them until the 91st minute to put it to bed. It could've quite easily been four.

Another game ticks by where I just don't see what we're trying to do. Yes Liverpool are good. Yes the likelihood of us winning is always slim. But the sheer basics just aren't there. We look slow, weak and confused. There's no press. No tracking runners. There's no hunting in packs.

As I've written before on here - so much is made of how we try and play when we have the ball. Not enough is spoken about how we play without it. We are lightyears away from being good enough off the ball for this division.

I don't mind losing, I don't mind going down. But I do mind every game being another example of this wishy-washy, limp, timid type of football.

Tonight really wasn't "really good."

[criminalclaret]

First half was atrocious. A ****** pub team would have better grasp of the basics. How Liverpool didn't score 10 I don't know.

Second half was much much much better. Passion for hunting that equaliser, put Liverpool on the backfoot, forced mistakes. Trafford immense. Could and should have scored with the chances that we created.

I've just accepted that this is a "development team" and there is something there for the future and a few diamonds, but it's a mixture of frustrating, heartbreaking and a hint of promising.

[CryerBFC]

Roll on 15th Jan, might have half a chance in that game. There’s so much I could rant at but it’s done now, and before the game I had us down for a drubbing.

That was poor today, can bang the drum all night that we were in a game and battled well, it’s no good if we can’t even hit the target. Look at the directness of Liverpools second, compared to Amdouni’s wild shot in the first half. We need to be better with decision making,

[JimmyRobbo]

Liverpool should of had 5 or 6 first half

They were definitely better. They could have been leading by more than one at the break, certainly.

We still had enough chances to get something and played well in the 2nd half.

I don't think it was a "dreadful" performance.

[KRBFC]

No qualms with the result, should be expected, but sick that we didn't lay a glove on them.
Confidence is missing , but we are so rigid in our style that even if we had the confidence, I doubt we'd change anything.

VK isn't giving this team a chance of staying up. I love what he is aiming for, I just wish he'd take the baby steps necessary, rather than pretend we can compete at ticky tacky against Liverpool. We can't.

How did we not lay a glove on them? We had an absolute sitter to tie the game. Well in the game at 0-1 with 5 minutes to go suggests we did compete…

You’re acting like there’s a blueprint to compete and beat Liverpool that we can magically switch to and VK is refusing. Dyche used to regularly get tonked by Liverpool.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Still in the game because of Liverpool's inadequacies, nothing to do with how we played bar some Trafford saves. I thought we'd get beat 4-0 but let's be honest, Klopp won't be pleased it took them until the 91st minute to put it to bed. It could've quite easily been four.

Another game ticks by where I just don't see what we're trying to do. Yes Liverpool are good. Yes the likelihood of us winning is always slim. But the sheer basics just aren't there. We look slow, weak and confused. There's no press. No tracking runners. There's no hunting in packs.

As I've written before on here - so much is made of how we try and play when we have the ball. Not enough is spoken about how we play without it. We are lightyears away from being good enough off the ball for this division.

I don't mind losing, I don't mind going down. But I do mind every game being another example of this wishy-washy, limp, timid type of football.

Tonight really wasn't "really good."

Guy doesn’t know his left from right, I would take anything he’s says with a massive pinch of salt

[Pickles]

Guy doesn’t know his left from right, I would take anything he’s says with a massive pinch of salt

Oh I know that!

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Oh I know that!

[123EasyasBFC]

Can’t let the last half hour fool anyone, we where battered for 60 minutes should have been 4 or 5 down, we miss a golden chance to somehow make to 1-1. If you are going to have 10 shots and 0 on target then your facing relegation simple as that, 9 loses from 10 home games is terrible

[TsarBomba]

Second best in all areas apart from the keeper against a Liverpool side who didn't need to get out of Second gear.

Very harsh.

We were always going to be largely second best against a team fighting for the title, what did you expect?

What we wanted was a bit of spirit and fight; we got that by the bucket load which was really pleasing.

Play like that for the remainder of the season and we have a chance.

[KRBFC]

Still in the game because of Liverpool's inadequacies, nothing to do with how we played bar some Trafford saves.

I think you just don’t understand how football works, leads to unrealistic expectation.

Why do you think Liverpool are top of the league and we aren’t?

Of course they’re going to create a hatful of chances against a relegation fighting side lol. They had a hatful against Arsenal two days ago too. That’s how football works, the very top sides create a hatful and the plucky underdog has to hope and pray they don’t get blown to smithereens and can nick something themselves.

[KRBFC]

Guy doesn’t know his left from right, I would take anything he’s says with a massive pinch of salt

Sorry but you’re slow if you think Odobert played on the left against Fulham in the second half.

It was quite clearly Tresor on the left when Brunn Larsen went off at half time…

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

If we had taken those chances we could have easily drawn that. Not excusing the first half though that was really poor.

[Sheedyclaret]

They were definitely better. They could have been leading by more than one at the break, certainly.

We still had enough chances to get something and played well in the 2nd half.

I don't think it was a "dreadful" performance.

I just thought they were playing so within themselves almost like a training match could of got embarrassing that performance pretty glad I gave my seat up today

[NewClaret]

Some people booing the Clarets off.

There's a club 12 miles down the road that they may wish to go and support instead

Didn’t hear that in the longside at all.

I stay every week to clap them off, however dire the performance, and sometimes I’m the only one left. Today it was packed and solid applause all round.

[CombatClaret]

Very harsh.
We were always going to be largely second best against a team fighting for the title, what did you expect?
What we wanted was a bit of spirit and fight; we got that by the bucket load which was really pleasing.
Play like that for the remainder of the season and we have a chance.

Our heads didn't drop, but neither did I see a team playing out of their skin or full of passion. To take it literally, we can't play like that and stay up, because we didn't even have a shot.

[Spijed]

For such an attacking side we've been very poor for large parts of the season so far. Not having a single effort on target doesn't bode well.

[Murger]

I think you just don’t understand how football works, leads to unrealistic expectation

Where does this know it all arrogance come from?

[Pickles]

I think you just don’t understand how football works, leads to unrealistic expectation.

Hahaha absolutely superb. That is back to classic KRBFC standards.

[jedi_master]

Just on way back and the consensus from all around us was the same. We showed today we could compete with a top 6 side. Yes, they obviously missed a ton of chances - but so did we? This could have been something like 3-5 on another day. We went toe to toe with them second half and had them rocking for a good twenty minutes after their second VAR goal was ruled out

No complaints whatsoever from me with what the lads did today. It’s performances like that which do wonders for the belief of the likes of O’Shea, Trafford and Odobert who were all largely excellent. Berge and Vitinho did well also and I thought Tresor gave many glimpses of what he is going to offer when fully up to the speed of this division.

Play like that second half against 8th and downwards and we have a shot against those sides, no doubt. People need to realise just what we were facing today with an incredibly young side. This was a world away from the capitulations against the likes of Spurs and Villa.

[CoolClaret]

For such an attacking side we've been very poor for large parts of the season so far. Not having a single effort on target doesn't bode well.

That was on the quality of those on the end of it though - wasn't down to the lack of chances.

It's not like we created absolutely nothing.

[Goliath]

Too many players that arent good enough or arent physical enough to play an aggressive game for 90 minutes. We have to remember we are Burnley football club olaying in the premier league. We have to play off our underdog mentality with aggression and directness. Once we started to do that the game changed and Liverpool lost control of the game.

Also just a note, Redmond whinging and moaning about Kompany delaying the sub was a disgrace. Hes here as an experienced pro in a team full of youngsters.if he wants to act like that on the bench then he can go for me, thats not the kind of behaviour we want our youngsters to pick up

[NewClaret]

First half too passive and wasteful. Decent second half and can’t miss that many openings against Premier League leaders.

That’s about it. Our issue is we’re way too wasteful in the final third. Our defence isn’t completely solid but way better than at the start of the season, the issue now is we don’t finish our chances.

[4:20]

Need to bottle that fighting spirit from minute 55' to the 90th when they got that 2nd. Well in it, won a lot of battles, shut their fans up, couldawouldashoulda with quite a few chances and had them on the ropes for brief periods. That's the Burnley I like to see.

[Swizzlestick]

Just on way back and the consensus from all around us was the same. We showed today we could compete with a top 6 side. Yes, they obviously missed a ton of chances - but so did we? This could have been something like 3-5 on another day. We went toe to toe with them second half and had them rocking for a good twenty minutes after their second VAR goal was ruled out

No complaints whatsoever from me with what the lads did today. It’s performances like that which do wonders for the belief of the likes of O’Shea, Trafford and Odobert who were all largely excellent. Berge and Vitinho did well also and I thought Tresor gave many glimpses of what he is going to offer when fully up to the speed of this division.

Play like that second half against 8th and downwards and we have a shot against those sides, no doubt. People need to realise just what we were facing today with an incredibly young side. This was a world away from the capitulations against the likes of Spurs and Villa.

Yep, this is pretty much where I’m at. Think there’s been some harsh summaries.

[CombatClaret]

If we had taken those chances we could have easily drawn that. Not excusing the first half though that was really poor.

Not targeted at you SJF I've just seen this phrase a lot, I hate this phrase "If we'd have taken our chances". Meaning "If we scored the goals we didn't score the result would have been different", well obviously.

Sometimes you get lucky and score 2 goals from 2 shots but that's not sustainable. Liverpool got 2 goals from 19 shots, 10 on target so if we want goals we need to up the quantity and quality and statistically the goals will come.

[Goody1975]

Some people booing the Clarets off.

They just weren't, no idea where you have got that from at all

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Not targeted at you SJF I've just seen this phrase a lot, I hate this phrase "If we'd have taken our chances". Meaning "If we scored the goals we didn't score the result would have been different", well obviously.

Sometimes you get lucky and score 2 goals from 2 shots but that's not sustainable. Liverpool got 2 goals from 19 shots, 10 on target so if we want goals we need to up the quantity and quality and statistically the goals will come.

I’m not excusing them but it’s promising that we at least got the chances against Liverpool as usually we would just get drubbed without any come back

It’s a shame about the BL one I thought he would at least get it on target . Same with the JBG header.

We’re not good enough to have too many chances against these high calibre teams so got to make every one count.

[CoolClaret]

Surprised no one has mentioned how poor Allison’s distribution was today, given he’s the standard Trafford is held to by some one here.

I mean I thought Traff played well today but -

27/33 completed passes for Alisson (82%)

13/38 for Trafford (34%)

Alisson had some lovely pings to get them on the front foot - with a few being picked off.

[Herts Clarets]

Just out of interest, did you expect us to be first best against a Liverpool side in any areas?

One area. Effort. And we weren't....

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I mean I thought Traff played well today but -

27/33 completed passes for Alisson (82%)

13/38 for Trafford (34%)

Alisson had some lovely pings to get them on the front foot - with a few being picked off.

That Finnis -brown saying he’s good with his feet.

Most Burnley fans thinking

[Woodleyclaret]

We need a big hold up play battler upfront who scores .Also a midfielder who wins tackles ,creates opportunities and drives forward
Two wasteful headers that should have led to goals but another good game from improving Dara and another stella game from Traff.

[Pickles]

Surprised no one has mentioned how poor Allison’s distribution was today, given he’s the standard Trafford is held to by some one here.

Allison made a couple of poor passes but also a fair few sumptuous ones which bypassed about six of our players in a way Trafford doesn't do. And I certainly don't hold Trafford's distribution to Allison's standards. Alison Hammond, perhaps.

[ClaretOfMancunia]

Also just a note, Redmond whinging and moaning about Kompany delaying the sub was a disgrace. Hes here as an experienced pro in a team full of youngsters.if he wants to act like that on the bench then he can go for me, thats not the kind of behaviour we want our youngsters to pick up

Wasn't at Turf today and didn't see this on TV - what happened? Don't disbelieve you btw, just surprised!