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Josh Brownhill

Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:31 am

Everton want Josh on loan
Personally I think this would be the worst piece of business since we loaned Super Glen to Reading.
Josh is vital to our team and should not be going anywhere.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Awayfromburnley » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:37 am

He won't be available on loan

Watch him for the disallowed Nunez goal yesterday. Stood watching his runner.

Isn't Prem quality in my opinion.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Pickles » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:38 am

He's vital to our team, if our team is in the Championship.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by NewClaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:41 am

Where’s this from?

There’s no way on earth we’re going to let our captain go to Everton on loan in Jan :lol: :lol:

Everton may need loans and will likely find some good ones, but it won’t be our Josh. And seriously doubt they’ll be buying unless their takeover goes through and they’ve got a war chest to spend - they must have some cash to keep funding £20m a month running costs.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Jakubs Tash » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:44 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:31 am
Everton want Josh on loan
Personally I think this would be the worst piece of business since we loaned Super Glen to Reading.
Josh is vital to our team and should not be going anywhere.
Little went on loan to Bolton

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by cbx750 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:18 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:44 am
Little went on loan to Bolton
He went to Reading first, April to May. Bolton, September to October.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Shaggy » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 am

Any decent bid we should be looking to move him on and bring in a better player. Isn’t up to the premier league, his ball retention is no where near good enough.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by burnleymik » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:30 am

A lot he does goes unnoticed. Broke up a lot of play yesterday and his energy is excellent. You can see the difference in our team when we swapped him out for Cullen. He does so much donkey work, but I do agree his passing lets him down and please keep him off set pieces!
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Herts Clarets » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:15 pm

Part of a midfield that wasn't Premier League standard and contributed significantly to our relegation in 2022. No pace, little creativity, not physical enough against the more mobile and athletic midfielders and his set pieces are nothing short of appalling. Significant upgrade required, the sooner the better.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by alwaysaclaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:16 pm

burnleymik wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:30 am
A lot he does goes unnoticed. Broke up a lot of play yesterday and his energy is excellent. You can see the difference in our team when we swapped him out for Cullen. He does so much donkey work, but I do agree his passing lets him down and please keep him off set pieces!
The same could be said for several player's regarding set pieces and corners, there woeful.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:22 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:22 am
Any decent bid we should be looking to move him on and bring in a better player. Isn’t up to the premier league, his ball retention is no where near good enough.
Really very poor but Burnley fans just love a runner.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by JimmyRobbo » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:47 pm

burnleymik wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:30 am
A lot he does goes unnoticed. Broke up a lot of play yesterday and his energy is excellent. You can see the difference in our team when we swapped him out for Cullen. He does so much donkey work, but I do agree his passing lets him down and please keep him off set pieces!
I think this pretty much nails it.

Like David Jones, Jeff Hendrick, Dean Marney, Scott Arfield before him. All undervalued for great chunks of their careers with us.

Edit: spelling alteration.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by beeholeclaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:51 pm

And super athlete George Boyd!

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:51 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:31 am
Everton want Josh on loan
Personally I think this would be the worst piece of business since we loaned Super Glen to Reading.
Josh is vital to our team and should not be going anywhere.
Glen could control the ball like glue on both feet and go past players with ease, no comparison to Brownhills lack of ball control and general play where he runs around and hides half the game.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Bowclaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:55 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:51 pm
Glen could control the ball like glue on both feet and go past players with ease, no comparison to Brownhills lack of ball control and general play where he runs around and hides half the game.
Just logged on to say what a load of crap about Josh this is
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by ClaretPete001 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:10 pm

We've just beaten Fulham away against a very decent midfield 5 with a midfield 4 including Bruun Larsen who had a 'mare and Odobert who is learning his trade. Someone must have been doing something in midfield.

last season we won the Championship with over 100 points and Josh was head and shoulders above most in that division.

We have improved dramatically since Brownhill has come back into the team and he and Berge have developed a bit of a partnership.

I just don't get some of the comments on here it seems to be completely unconstrained by reality.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by aggi » Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:19 pm

I think for some there's a distinct lack of reality on what makes a premier league player and what they are really talking about is a top 6 player and if you're not Vieira reincarnated you're not good enough for the Premier League.

You only need to look at some of the comments on Dwight McNeil, who despite having played 150 times plus in the premier league some think would struggle to get into a championship team, to realise that some people have no idea what makes a successful player.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:48 pm

If he's so shite as some allege why does Sean want him is this to fit in with his cm players?

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:00 pm

If this is true then our ex manager must value him more than many on here. Personally I would tell them to go and swivel.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by IanMcL » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:12 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:44 am
Little went on loan to Bolton
Reading at the time being talked about.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by IanMcL » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:14 pm

Brownhill is very effective. Stopping, tidying, tackling, blocking etc.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by MDWat » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:48 pm

Brownhill would be fine as first or second reserve in a Premier League squad but if truth be told, any side with Josh Brownhill playing the majority of games is likely to be down at the bottom end.

His work off the ball is good but his work on it isn’t good.

I’m of the view that our team would be transformed by one transfer - a proper central midfielder to come in at the expense of Brownhill.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:59 pm

Your passing has to be spot on in the Premier league and make it easy for the receiver.
Josh has recently started playing a lot of chipped passes which put players under so much pressure.

He would be fine next to two very good passers of the ball.
Wolves would be perfect for him with all their technical players.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:59 pm

I'm not convinced Josh will ever be top level quality on the ball but he is our heartbeat and has a huge connection with the club and the fans, no way we let him go on loan to Everton unless it's with a guaranteed SILLY fee at the end of it.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by CoolClaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:04 pm

Still is our joint top goal scorer for the season - and always chips in with goals.

I’d say a key player last year to… extremely under appreciated on here is JB.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Pickles » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:04 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:48 pm
If he's so shite as some allege why does Sean want him is this to fit in with his cm players?
Because he'd be cheap and would just be a back up at Everton. Third, fourth, fifth choice. Whereas at Burnley, even after the biggest recruitment window in the club's history, Brownhill is still one of the first names on team sheet despite having very obvious flaws which are taken advantage off by other teams week after week after week.

If I was Brownhill I would snap your hand off if the Everton offer came up.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:08 pm

Pickles wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:04 pm
Because he'd be cheap and would just be a back up at Everton. Third, fourth, fifth choice. Whereas at Burnley, even after the biggest recruitment window in the club's history, Brownhill is still one of the first names on team sheet despite having very obvious flaws which are taken advantage off by other teams week after week after week.

If I was Brownhill I would snap your hand off if the Everton offer came up.
Its probably a planted story to drum up any interest for him as VK will have realised he hasn't made the grade and needs to free money up somewhere after his massive spend elsewhere. I agree with the above post (MDWat) we are really struggling in midfield and need someone that can do long passes to Berge who should be playing further forward, as it is Berge's covering for two players worth of work in an offensive sense. Thats why he looks absolutely knackered most games.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by HuncoatClaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:10 pm

Not a problem if he goes, it's just paper talk that other Prem club(s) want him as it was 18 months ago.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:14 pm

If only we could get Phillips on loan, massive upgrade.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Pickles » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:15 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:08 pm
Its probably a planted story to drum up any interest for him as VK will have realised he hasn't made the grade and needs to free money up somewhere after his massive spend elsewhere. I agree with the above post (MDWat) we are really struggling in midfield and need someone that can do long passes to Berge who should be playing further forward, as it is Berge's covering for two players worth of work in an offensive sense. Thats why he looks absolutely knackered most games.
Yep agreed. I find it bonkers that he's pretty much been our main centre midfield player this season. Seems a top lad and not a bad player at all but even last season it was clear he wasn't up to how Kompany wants to play - he was shuffled further up where his good pressing was more important than his bad passing.

We are still crying out for at least one, ideally two, central box-to-box midfielders who are big, strong and can put a tackle in. It was missing from Dyche's Burnley sides too.

We've needed it for about twenty years.

As I've said, a good offer for Brownhill and he should go. He'd be daft from a personal aspect not to. Same commute, big wages, a style he's more suited to and more likely to be a Premier League player next season.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by mikeS » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:21 pm

To loan any of our players to another struggling side in the PL wouldn't just be bad for business it would be hammering the nails into our relegation box.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:22 pm

Pickles wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:15 pm
Yep agreed. I find it bonkers that he's pretty much been our main centre midfield player this season. Seems a top lad and not a bad player at all but even last season it was clear he wasn't up to how Kompany wants to play - he was shuffled further up where his good pressing was more important than his bad passing.

We are still crying out for at least one, ideally two, central box-to-box midfielders who are big, strong and can put a tackle in. It was missing from Dyche's Burnley sides too.

We've needed it for about twenty years.

As I've said, a good offer for Brownhill and he should go. He'd be daft from a personal aspect not to. Same commute, big wages, a style he's more suited to and more likely to be a Premier League player next season.
Said before Kevin Ball , Barton were the last ones we had before Hendrick and Cork in their pomp.

Any reserve midfielder from City and Liverpool would be an upgrade and judging from Kompany sweet talking Klopp after the match yesterday hopefully he is well on the way to getting one :D

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by SussexDon1inIreland » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:40 pm

OK for me if Brownhill stays but please stop letting him take corners or free kicks

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by forzagranata » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:23 pm

He's not a midfield playmaker obviously - but he works his socks off, breaks up play, covers ground, keeps it moving. Most midfields have players like that to compliment the 'ball players' - which in our case is Berge.

He's under-rated and under-appreciated by some IMO. With the options we have in this squad he is a regular starter for good reason.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by RVclaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:29 pm

forzagranata wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:23 pm
He's not a midfield playmaker obviously - but he works his socks off, breaks up play, covers ground, keeps it moving. Most midfields have players like that to compliment the 'ball players' - which in our case is Berge.

He's under-rated and under-appreciated by some IMO. With the options we have in this squad he is a regular starter for good reason.
Problem is, in this league, that type of player is typically a physical beast too. Players like Lemina, Joao Gomes, Edson Alvarez and Palhinha. While players of his size are typically excellent technically, likes of Ward-Prowse. For me he’s a bit in between the two.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by South West Claret. » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:22 pm

Would have thought he was one too hang on to.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Bosscat » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:29 pm

Yeah Josh must be shoite 🙄 ... after all its only Everton, Palace, Wolves & Leicester who are all seemingly wanting him ...
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/evert ... -transfer/

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by fanzone » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:36 pm

He weren’t good enough in this league season before last

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by dougcollins » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:00 pm

He's becoming the new Jeff Hendrick.

'You'll miss him when he's gone'.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by JohnMac » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:16 pm

He plays for us and gives 100% every game plus more.

Of course that means nothing as he isn't deemed good enough for the Premier League by the Oracles of UTC despite being linked with other far better Premier League Clubs during his time here :roll:

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:32 am

dougcollins wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:00 pm
He's becoming the new Jeff Hendrick.

'You'll miss him when he's gone'.
You miss Jeff?

His career went downhill faster than Eddie the Eagle.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Awayfromburnley » Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:07 am

JohnMac wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:16 pm
He plays for us and gives 100% every game plus more.

Of course that means nothing as he isn't deemed good enough for the Premier League by the Oracles of UTC despite being linked with other far better Premier League Clubs during his time here :roll:
Links that have never fruitioned are often just agent talk.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:15 am

JohnMac wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:16 pm
He plays for us and gives 100% every game plus more.

Of course that means nothing as he isn't deemed good enough for the Premier League by the Oracles of UTC despite being linked with other far better Premier League Clubs during his time here :roll:
He’s been getting linked to clubs for years? Have we even had a single offer? No we haven’t.

He’s just one of them players that sits in the cusp (similar to Pukki) of too good for the championship but not good enough for the prem.

If you have a team of really high quality technical players you could probably carry Brownhill at this level as he is a bit of workhorse but unfortunately he just doesn’t have ability to be a regular starter in a decent premier league side.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Big Vinny K » Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:27 am

We are a much better team when JB plays. That’s been proven time and time again this season and last too.
He’s also one of our senior players now and his experience and leadership is key in this young side.
Would be a big loss for us if he went and and personally I think it would be nigh on impossible to pick up a player with his attributes for anywhere near the £7m or £8m we paid for him.
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:04 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:59 pm
Your passing has to be spot on in the Premier league and make it easy for the receiver.
Josh has recently started playing a lot of chipped passes which put players under so much pressure.

He would be fine next to two very good passers of the ball.
Wolves would be perfect for him with all their technical players.


Yes, the chipped passes aren't good enough.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by NewClaret » Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:10 am

Big Vinny K wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:27 am
We are a much better team when JB plays. That’s been proven time and time again this season and last too.
He’s also one of our senior players now and his experience and leadership is key in this young side.
Would be a big loss for us if he went and and personally I think it would be nigh on impossible to pick up a player with his attributes for anywhere near the £7m or £8m we paid for him.
Agree with all of this and, per CoolClaret’s post on another thread, we may lose Charlie, JBG and JRod next year so retaining his experience would be important.

I think it’s fair to say his attributes likely suit a Dyche team over a Kompany team, but he could be a vital cog in helping us transition between the two at this level and critical in helping us get back up, especially if we lose Berge (which I think we will).

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by JohnMac » Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:35 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:15 am
Have we even had a single offer? No we haven’t.
Wow, just wow for being part of the inner sanctum of the Club with knowledge of our player dealings! :roll:
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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by ArmchairDetective » Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:47 am

All of our players will have some gaps in their game. If they didn't they'd be playing for Man City not us. Doesn't mean they can't do a job for us.

Good enough for Wolves and Everton to be interested, but barely good enough for us in the championship. Make it make sense.

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:07 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:48 pm
If he's so shite as some allege why does Sean want him is this to fit in with his cm players?
It won’t be to strengthen them, more to weaken us

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Re: Josh Brownhill

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:54 am

Rick_Muller wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:07 am
It won’t be to strengthen them, more to weaken us
I doubt Everton have the slightest interest in weakening us.

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