REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

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REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:48 pm

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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by Hipper » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:13 pm

Have we ever had such a bad start at home to a season - one win, nine defeats?

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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by Papabendi » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:38 pm

Not aggressive enough. Too open and too passive for large chunks of games.

Was on a high after Fulham. Now I think perhaps we just got lucky. They had the highest number of shots on goal without scoring in that game across the season to date. Neither of our goals could be classed as gilt edged chances either.
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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by bfcjg » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:45 pm

Very fair report," Russell Ball’s cut price flags," really does sound like a tacky seaside novelty shop 🤣

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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by Royboyclaret » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:21 pm

"Without registering a single shot on target"

Difficult to comprehend.
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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:43 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:38 pm
Not aggressive enough. Too open and too passive for large chunks of games.

Was on a high after Fulham. Now I think perhaps we just got lucky. They had the highest number of shots on goal without scoring in that game across the season to date. Neither of our goals could be classed as gilt edged chances either.
We are agreeing again

Fulham, fortunate to be level at half time, then scored two really good goals and didn't look in much trouble after that.
Liverpool, as you say, not aggressive, too open and passive. We aren't good enough to play like that against the best teams in the league.
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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by Goliath » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:43 pm
We are agreeing again

Fulham, fortunate to be level at half time, then scored two really good goals and didn't look in much trouble after that.
Liverpool, as you say, not aggressive, too open and passive. We aren't good enough to play like that against the best teams in the league.
We were also incredibly lucky v Brighton.

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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by Papabendi » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:52 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:43 pm
We are agreeing again

Fulham, fortunate to be level at half time, then scored two really good goals and didn't look in much trouble after that.
Liverpool, as you say, not aggressive, too open and passive. We aren't good enough to play like that against the best teams in the league.
We've seen the team can occasionally dig in and do the ugly stuff but it is the exception rather than the rule isn't it? And it doesn't seem to be in evidence much at home. And that is what is ultimately going to cost us.

Wasn't it Dyche who said you have to earn the right?

Tresor doing the fancy stuff then giving it straight to one of their players several times in a row was emblematic of the problem. I'm not sure even the best teams can carry those types of players.
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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by JohnDearyMe » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:20 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:52 pm
We've seen the team can occasionally dig in and do the ugly stuff but it is the exception rather than the rule isn't it? And it doesn't seem to be in evidence much at home. And that is what is ultimately going to cost us.

Wasn't it Dyche who said you have to earn the right?

Tresor doing the fancy stuff then giving it straight to one of their players several times in a row was emblematic of the problem. I'm not sure even the best teams can carry those types of players.
We could do with replacing Tresor with a far more tenacious Scott Arfield/George Boyd type wide player. Same for Amdouni. Both technically good players but they look like the wrong players for a relegation scrap

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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by Westleigh » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:46 pm

Most ways to beat a man in the Premier League seem to be either with pace or playing one twos ,Grealish is probably one of the few who actually can dribble past a man ,but we seem to have a team full of player that are excellent dribblers ,we just need to sort the final ball out and we’re laughing.

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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by JohnMac » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:00 pm

Every Manager says how players need time to adapt to the pace and power of the Premier League, often for those already with age and experience abroad.

Obviously this does not apply to Burnley signings, they should hit the ground running and no excuses!

Maybe we should have a real clearout and get some proper players in, Crouch, Drinkwater, Walters, Brady, Gibson, Hendrick and Kev Long should stiffen us up a bit!

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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by Nonayforever » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:07 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:21 pm
"Without registering a single shot on target"

Difficult to comprehend.
I took a particular look at our players when / after shooting.
The look on their faces was a combination of " rabbits caught in the headlights " , panic, fear ( Brun Larsen), and generally low in the confidence of their ability.
Whereas the look in the faces of the Liverpool players is one of steely determination and utter focus, especially the obnoxious Nunez.
That is something which can't be taught.

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Re: REPORT:Home year ends with another defeat

Post by Papabendi » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:16 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:20 pm
We could do with replacing Tresor with a far more tenacious Scott Arfield/George Boyd type wide player. Same for Amdouni. Both technically good players but they look like the wrong players for a relegation scrap
I called out Tresor as an example for this particular game but he's had around a game's worth of football across a win and a loss recently so we can't level the core issue just at him. We just have a few too many players in the team who, like him, are 'technicians not tacklers', the balance isn't right.

I agree with you that on one side of the pitch we need a more defensively-focused player capable of dropping into central midfield. Carrying so much width and pushing forward will always mean we get caught out.

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