Today’s Football

[Taffy on the wing]

Cheat dives… another penalty

[Westleigh]

I think the chant ‘They only sing when they’re winning “ was aimed directly at Liverpool fans ,Jurgen having to wind them up .

[burnmark]

It’s an absolute joke!

Atwell on VAR. Will want to be justifying his ridiculous decision on Saturday.

[Rileybobs]

More cheating from Premier League players and another penalty given. Why on earth does Jota need to dive there? Embarrassing.

Because players know if there is any sort of contact they can throw themselves to the ground and at the very worst VAR will award a penalty. See Duran for Villa against Burnley.

[claptrappers_union]

“Stuart Attwell says there's clear contact”

Get that **** out of football

[Westleigh]

Neville arguing one way about this pen ,he argued the other way at the last one.

[Murger]

Cheating pays it seems.

[Lip]

He dived when he could have just put the ball into the net. Cheating at its finest..VAR is ruining football along with very poor referrees..I'm at a loss what they will come up with next..

[Mark the Claret]

Because players know if there is any sort of contact they can throw themselves to the ground and at the very worst VAR will award a penalty. See Duran for Villa against Burnley.

It's pathetic that minimal contact warrants a penalty yet you can wrestle someone to the ground at corners, ruining football.

[Westleigh]

Because players know if there is any sort of contact they can throw themselves to the ground and at the very worst VAR will award a penalty. See Duran for Villa against Burnley.

Neville saying it shouldn’t be a penalty as there wasn’t enough contact.,changes his mind more than the chuffing wind.

[Vegas Claret]

Staggering how many late challenges Bruno Guimarães gets away with.

[Hibsclaret]

I don’t think there was contact and still they give it. Happens every game. Appalling.

[jrgbfc]

Think Liverpool will push City all the way this year.

[chekhov]

Why on earth does Jota need to dive there?

He didn’t dive. As you say, why would he with an open goal?

[Sproggy]

He dived when he could have just put the ball into the net. Cheating at its finest..VAR is ruining football along with very poor referrees..I'm at a loss what they will come up with next..

It’s almost instinctive now. Could’ve just tapped the ball into an empty net but felt the touch, had half a second where he was in 2 minds then threw himself to the floor.

It’s getting difficult to watch games as a neutral with the incessant cheating and the utterly inept idiots operating VAR.

[chekhov]

“Stuart Attwell says there's clear contact”

Exactly. He said that because there was clear contact. Have another look.

[Mark the Claret]

He didn’t dive. As you say, why would he with an open goal?

He'd pushed it wider and harder than he meant to, the contact wouldn't have knocked your granny over.

[Sproggy]

He didn’t dive. As you say, why would he with an open goal?

Because his first instinct when he feels a touch in the area is to dive.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Atwell, you couldn’t make it up…..

….(even though he has)

[Bordeauxclaret]

The manner of that defeat will be a worry for Newcastle fans.
Awful performance.

[CombatClaret]

I think if I was running at 18mph and someone clipped my heel with their elbow that might knock me off my stride.

[ElectroClaret]

Because his first instinct when he feels a touch in the area is to dive.

This.
It's practically automatic for some now.

[chekhov]

I think if I was running at 18mph and someone clipped my heel with their elbow that might knock me off my stride.

Exactly this. Funny that some don’t understand.

[claptrappers_union]

I honestly don’t know the rules anymore.

So ANY contact no matter how small after the ball is played is a penalty… is that the rules?

[Sproggy]

I think if I was running at 18mph and someone clipped my heel with their elbow that might knock me off my stride.

You’d have been released at 16 with balance like that.

[CombatClaret]

“Stuart Attwell says there's clear contact”
Get that **** out of football

If there is contact and you don't give it, then you are essentially saying you can read the player's mind and they could have stayed standing but chose to fall over.

Would you rather we just give pens for contact, one rule for all, or we claim we know people's thoughts and apply the rules arbitrarily based on the ref's mind-reading skills?

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Was contact and a penalty
If no contact he would have put the ball in net which he could have done anyway

[Rileybobs]

I think the keeper’s contact resulted in one of Jota’s legs slightly clip the other, so he was arguably off balance which may have made the shot harder. But he dived. And this should be penalised.

[chekhov]

He'd pushed it wider and harder than he meant to, the contact wouldn't have knocked your granny over.

You’ve maybe never had your heal clipped when running at speed?

[Sproggy]

This.
It's practically automatic for some now.

The only reason it took him so long to throw himself over is that he looked up and thought “hang on that’s an open goal”.

[chekhov]

Was contact and a penalty
If no contact he would have put the ball in net which he could have done anyway

Well put, DAVETHEVICAR.

[BurnleyFC]

I reckon Eddie and Jase might have plenty of free time on their hands soon.

[Westleigh]

If there is contact and you don't give it, then you are essentially saying you can read the player's mind and they could have stayed standing but chose to fall over.

Would you rather we just give pens for contact, one rule for all, or we claim we know people's thoughts and apply the rules arbitrarily based on the ref's mind-reading skills?

So if we give a pen for any sort of contact under that premise if I put my little finger on your back it’s an automatic penalty because I touched you ,there has to be some sort of intuition by the officials of how much pressure is being applied or else they’ll be a dozen pens a game.

[MDWat]

It’s very definitely a dive.

He takes an additional step after minimal contact and isn’t falling. Realises he isn’t able to put the ball in the net quite as simply as he wants to and throws himself.

It’s cheating, plain and simple.

[Westleigh]

It’s very definitely a dive.

He takes an additional step after minimal contact and isn’t falling. Realises he isn’t able to put the ball in the net quite as simply as he wants to and throws himself.

It’s cheating, plain and simple.

Trouble is the pundits don’t have the bootle to call players cheats ,a few years ago the odd player got picked out for diving and all of a sudden they started being scrutinised and their diving temporary stopped.

[MDWat]

Trouble is the pundits don’t have the bootle to call players cheats ,a few years ago the odd player got picked out for diving and all of a sudden they started being scrutinised and their diving temporary stopped.

Absolutely. There’s never any major fuss made of it. A few murmurings and then onto the next game. It’s a nonsense and ruining the game.

[CombatClaret]

It’s very definitely a dive.
He takes an additional step after minimal contact and isn’t falling. Realises he isn’t able to put the ball in the net quite as simply as he wants to and throws himself.
It’s cheating, plain and simple.

You can see his foot is knocked sideways by almost the whole forearm of the keeper, as the same the next step is taking place because of his momentum. It's a foul in the box, penalty.

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[Mark the Claret]

You can see his foot is knocked sideways by almost the whole forearm of the keeper, as the same the next step is taking place because of his momentum. It's a foul in the box, penalty.

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I can't see that.

[Vegas Claret]

You can see his foot is knocked sideways by almost the whole forearm of the keeper, as the same the next step is taking place because of his momentum. It's a foul in the box, penalty.

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it's not as much of a penalty as the one Newcastle didn't get and that is the biggest problem of the lot

[Sproggy]

Dive.

Interestingly they’ve just shown the Longstaff one at the other end. Minimal contact on his foot, goes down, not given.

We can add inconsistency to incompetence for the officials.

[Westleigh]

You can see his foot is knocked sideways by almost the whole forearm of the keeper, as the same the next step is taking place because of his momentum. It's a foul in the box, penalty.

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How would a guy take another stride and a half and then collapse onto both his knees if he didn’t dive ,no axe to grind with Jota but that his a 100% cast iron dive .

[taio]

Blatant dive

[Spindles]

You can see his foot is knocked sideways by almost the whole forearm of the keeper, as the same the next step is taking place because of his momentum. It's a foul in the box, penalty.

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That's a dive pure and simple - he puts two feet onto the floor with no issues after ther contact and then thinks " balls too wide now ,down i go" Its disgraceful and needs calling out.

And if hes running at 18mph at that point I'll plait sawdust

[Westleigh]

I think as well as golden boot and golden gloves of the season the media should have a table showing the teams and the players with the most contentitious penalties they’ve won over a season,it will probably very similar to the top six in the Premier League ,and also the official who’ve given the most contentious penalties is Attwell ,Jones,Tierney.

[Westleigh]

That's a dive pure and simple - he puts two feet onto the floor with no issues after ther contact and then thinks " balls too wide now ,down i go" Its disgraceful and needs calling out.

And if hes running at 18mph at that point I'll plait sawdust

If my maths are correct 100yd sprinters run at about 20 mph ,there’s no way he’s running that fast.

[quoonbeatz]

Another blatant dive, not called out and punished by the completely incapable officials. All that technology to help them and they're still choosing to ruin the game by endorsing cheating.

[Swizzlestick]

You can see his foot is knocked sideways by almost the whole forearm of the keeper, as the same the next step is taking place because of his momentum. It's a foul in the box, penalty.

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It’s a quite clear dive. The second angle is the giveaway - his facial expression is unchanged by the keeper’s forearm, he carries on for a brief moment, then flings himself to the ground.

[RammyClaret61]

Was contact and a penalty
If no contact he would have put the ball in net which he could have done anyway

1) was contact and a penalty… just no. Minimal if any contact. He choose to go down, you need to be brought down.
2) if no contact he would’ve put the ball in the net… just no. He pushed the ball to far, therefore wasn’t in control anymore. Hence his decision after another couple of steps.. to go down and see what would happen.

[superdimitri]

Listening to Beglin's co-commentary just highlighted everything that was wrong with Jota's dive. 'Because the ball went a bit further than intended, he then used the opportunity to hit the ground'.

There was a visible gap when you could see he was making his mind up. The stupid thing is, he could have just as easily scored.

[timshorts]

Not mentioned above is that although these players are "running at speed", they still manage to dangle a leg out to make sure that there is contact there before throwing themselves on the floor.

VAR + offside =irritating.
VAR + diving for penalties = ruining the game.

It's about time that somebody with some degree of authority made a bit of a stand. If they say too much after the game then they end up on a disrepute charge, but managers go to games not involving their own teams, so they can see what is happening as an (almost) neutral, and the product is being damaged for the likes of sky.