Mr Bates vs the Post Office

[Westleigh]

Couldn’t believe the lies they told the the post mistress who appeared in the first episode ,and it’s disgusting if they on got £20,000 comp.

[claret59]

I have followed this as best I could since it first became 'public.' A kid of ten could soon work out that the chances of countless number of post office
proprietors who have given years of faithful service to the PO are not suddenly all going to turn to criminal activity at about the same time.It has been rightly described as the biggest miscarriage of justice ever perpetrated in this country and those responsible should now also face justice.
I note that a couple of political leaders are now feeling the heat for ignoring what was so obvious when they were confronted with it.

Tonight's TV is now highlighting serious failings in nearly all the Fire and Rescue forces in the country. The list of their activities and how what was openly perpetrated was ignored by those in authority and leadership roles is just too awful. What sort of country are we?

[claret59]

Tonight's TV is now highlighting serious moral failings in nearly all the Fire and Rescue forces in the country. The list of their activities and what was openly perpetrated was ignored by those in authority and leadership roles for years. What sort of country are we?

[BigGaz]

Anybody who tells you that computers don't make mistakes is lying to you. A computer programme is only as good as the people who worked on it and will consistently repeat their mistakes

In my (25 year) experience complex computer systems are:
- Designed by analysts who don't fully understand the requirements and haven't considered all the edge cases.
- Programmed by people who blindly follow the analyst's mistaken design to the letter, do not challenge any errors, and do not sufficiently unit test their own code to find any issues. Either due to lack of awareness or disinterest.
-Tested by people who assume that the design was correct and only look to prove the "happy path"

Outputs are only as reliable as the inputs

[beddie]

I’m up to speed now having watched two episodes last night. It’s certainly gripping. I agree it’s alarming that it wasn’t picked up and resolved a lot earlier. You feel nothing but sympathy for all those post office proprietors. I don’t think they’ll ever get over the trauma and upset this caused them, their loved ones and families.

[Andy_G]

Hats off to Private Eye who were highlighting this scandal long before anyone else knew what was happening. Even when they did know many of the major news outlets and newspapers chose to ignore it.

The PO has now succeeded in dragging this out so long they have reduced the estimated compensation costs by 50% in their most recent set of accounts: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67784706

[THEWELLERNUT70]

https://youtu.be/d4UYP8JP61A?si=K9gsx5PePcr0gUrC

Link to a Panorama investigation from a few years ago

[boatshed bill]

Tonight's TV is now highlighting serious moral failings in nearly all the Fire and Rescue forces in the country. The list of their activities and what was openly perpetrated was ignored by those in authority and leadership roles for years. What sort of country are we?

Rotten to the core, has been for years.

[Nori1958]

Rotten to the core, has been for years.

Bet you'd still call them if you had a fire though

[boatshed bill]

Bet you'd still call them if you had a fire though

I wasn't referring ton the services. It's our society that's rotten to the core.

[Nori1958]

I wasn't referring ton the services. It's our society that's rotten to the core.

That's the point really, they can be as rotten as anything, but we still need them... Its not right, but changes are slow

[boatshed bill]

That's the point really, they can be as rotten as anything, but we still need them... Its not right, but changes are slow

Some we need.
There's corruption throughout our society, football for starters.
And just this morning I received an email from someone who could "remove negative info" from my profile" What the....??

[ClaretTony]

ITV X'd it to the end, an absolute masterpiece of the small screen. Toby Jones was 'Marvellous'.

I love the Nello reference when he was Marvellous - he's outstanding in this. Unfortunately I couldn't find it on ITVX but I've watched the first three parts.

[longsidetrumpet]

I love the Nello reference when he was Marvellous - he's outstanding in this. Unfortunately I couldn't find it on ITVX but I've watched the first three parts.

It’s on there Tony, watched part 4 last night

[ClaretTony]

It’s on there Tony, watched part 4 last night

To be honest, I've not used ITVX before but tried again and can't find it at all. It's obviously me then so I'll watch it tonight.

[lakedistrictclaret]

To be honest, I've not used ITVX before but tried again and can't find it at all. It's obviously me then so I'll watch it tonight.

Not just you, Tony, I can't find it either.

[Big Vinny K]

Just finished episode 3.
The acting and the way it’s been shot I think is brilliant.
Toby Jones is just good in everything he does.

Really is such a tragic series of events.
But let’s get this right - it’s not misfortune or bad luck. It’s corruption and cover up at the highest levels by the Post Office.

You cannot say that successive governments are blameless either.

If they can intervene in putting billions into bailing out banks who gambled their customers monies away it could have easily intervened to help resolve and speed up the justice process and also ensure that criminal and civil cases were brought against those responsible.

If a government cannot do the right thing in cases like this and Hillsborough then large institutions will do what they always do - deny everything, put millions into legal teams and drag things out for decades to try and break (or bankrupt) the innocent. Or if they drag it out long enough hope that the innocent just die.

[Juan Tanamera]

Not just you, Tony, I can't find it either.

Isn't ITVx an app that you have to download to your TV?
Fairly sure that's how I got when it first came out

[Juan Tanamera]

Just to add, the app itself tends to buffer on a regular basis.

As for the programme itself, well there has been some great dramas of late (the one about Peter Sutcliffe for example) and this is up with the best of them.
Magnificent performance's from all concerned.

[Nori1958]

Isn't ITVx an app that you have to download to your TV?
Fairly sure that's how I got when it first came out

It's on sky boxes....

[boatshed bill]

Isn't ITVx an app that you have to download to your TV?
Fairly sure that's how I got when it first came out

I think there is an App, but I don't use them.
I get ITV X without the app on my computer with no problems
Try typing in ITV Hub and I believe you get redirected.

[Juan Tanamera]

It's on sky boxes....

I don't have Sky, that's why I downloaded the app.

[Nori1958]

I don't have Sky, that's why I downloaded the app.

Does it not just appear on the smart tv's?

[Firthy]

I'd read about this in the news but having watched the 4 episodes I'm absolutely amazed at the attitiude, beligerence, arrogance, lies and determination to cover it up by the Post Office. Someone needs to be made accountable for this and even charged with manslaughter for those that took their own lives as they are 100% responsible.

Just shows the lengths these big businesses will go to, to protect themselves at the expense of employees. Unfortunately, just like in football, money talks but in this case it wasn't enough thankfully.

[Juan Tanamera]

Does it not just appear on the smart tv's?

It didn't at the time.
And when I used it the first few times I kept getting a notifications to sign up for the ad free version at xx pounds per annum.
I finally found the way to stop the notifications.

[distortiondave]

It wasn't on on the itvx hub on my mums admittedly archaic freeview tv, but it was available via itvx on her phone.
Given that she'd rather not watch it on her phone, could it be that her freeview needs updating somehow?

Freeview tv's kinda fell down the 'will never need to know so don't bother to learn' crevasse of modern technology for me....

[boatshed bill]

ponsible.

Just shows the lengths these big businesses will go to, to protect themselves at the expense of employees. Unfortunately, just like in football, money talks but in this case it wasn't enough thankfully.

The legal costs were over £40million out of a total payout of about £55m, I guess money did talk.

[ClaretTony]

It wasn't on on the itvx hub on my mums admittedly archaic freeview tv, but it was available via itvx on her phone.
Given that she'd rather not watch it on her phone, could it be that her freeview needs updating somehow?

Freeview tv's kinda fell down the 'will never need to know so don't bother to learn' crevasse of modern technology for me....

I’ve found it on my phone but not on my Sky Q box

[Nori1958]

I’ve found it on my phone but not on my Sky Q box

It's in the apps.... Where Netflix, prime etc are located

[Nori1958]

It didn't at the time.
And when I used it the first few times I kept getting a notifications to sign up for the ad free version at xx pounds per annum.
I finally found the way to stop the notifications.

I found a way to stop them.... I paid

[ClaretTony]

It's in the apps.... Where Netflix, prime etc are located

I know it’s in the apps - but as I’ve posted, I can’t find this programme.

[distortiondave]

Yeah, CT, and I can find it on my Xbox app and PC.
I have no idea if freeview boxes/tv's work differently though, like do they need to catch up through the aerial or something?!

[distortiondave]

Nori - we can find the app but the programme isn't there, at least not via freeview. (I don't know what SkyQ is, but it sounds modern and it's not there either).

[Nori1958]

Nori - we can find the app but the programme isn't there, at least not via freeview. (I don't know what SkyQ is, but it sounds modern and it's not there either).

I've watched all 4 episodes via the skyq box.....

[boatshed bill]

Nori - we can find the app but the programme isn't there, at least not via freeview. (I don't know what SkyQ is, but it sounds modern and it's not there either).

Dave, just type ITV hub into your browser. I am thick as mince on computers but I got it.

[ClaretTony]

I've watched all 4 episodes via the skyq box.....

It’s not available on the Sky Q app

[Nori1958]

It’s not available on the Sky Q app

I've got itvx on my skyq box.... In the section with the other apps like Netflix etc

I can guarantee I've watched all 4 episodess via that app

If you're talking about some other app I apologise

[ClaretTony]

I've got itvx on my skyq box.... In the section with the other apps like Netflix etc

I can guarantee I've watched all 4 episodess via that app

If you're talking about some other app I apologise

I’m talking about the ITVX app on Sky Q - it’s not there on mine and I’ve seen others post the same.

[Nori1958]

I’m talking about the ITVX app on Sky Q - it’s not there on mine and I’ve seen others post the same.

That's weird because it just appeared on mine when it was launched, just like the channel 4 one did a few weeks ago

Have you got Netflix, prime or bbc Iplayer in the apps section?
If not, or if you have, but not itvx in the same place, I'd be ringing sky, because it certainly should be there

Enjoy tonight's episode

[ClaretTony]

That's weird because it just appeared on mine when it was launched, just like the channel 4 one did a few weeks ago

Have you got Netflix, prime or bbc Iplayer in the apps section?
If not, or if you have, but not itvx in the same place, I'd be ringing sky, because it certainly should be there

Enjoy tonight's episode

Yes, got all the apps available and use them. I’ve got ITVX there as explained but this programme is not available in ITVX.

[boatshed bill]

The one-part documentary is also worth a watch, also on ITVX.
It's definitely there, I've just seen it.

[Nori1958]

Yes, got all the apps available and use them. I’ve got ITVX there as explained but this programme is not available in ITVX.

I'd still ring, it's certainly been on mine since Monday

[ClaretTony]

I'd still ring, it's certainly been on mine since Monday

There are others on this thread with the same issue. To be honest it’s the first time I’ve ever wanted to use it so it’s no big problem, I’ll watch the last episode tonight after the football.

[distortiondave]

There are others on this thread with the same issue. To be honest it’s the first time I’ve ever wanted to use it so it’s no big problem, I’ll watch the last episode tonight after the football.

How, CT? (question, not greeting). If it's not there in the app, how can you watch it later?

[claretburns]

Yes, got all the apps available and use them. I’ve got ITVX there as explained but this programme is not available in ITVX.

Just had the same problem, watched the first 3 episodes via Sky Q, as they have been aired already, wanted to watch the 4th episode on ITVX via SkyQ but it wasn't available.

However, once I signed into the ITVX app on SkyQ the episodes then appeared.

When you go onto ITVX if you go to settings within the app, it will allow you to sign in and it should then show as available to watch.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Outstanding Tele, I felt like standing up and clapping at the end of it!

[ClaretTony]

How, CT? (question, not greeting). If it's not there in the app, how can you watch it later?

It's been shown tonight on ITV1 and I've recorded it

[distortiondave]

Ah okay, like the modern old days!

[dougcollins]

It's been shown tonight on ITV1 and I've recorded it

Did you tape it CT?

That's what I always say.

[ClaretTony]

Just had the same problem, watched the first 3 episodes via Sky Q, as they have been aired already, wanted to watch the 4th episode on ITVX via SkyQ but it wasn't available.

However, once I signed into the ITVX app on SkyQ the episodes then appeared.

When you go onto ITVX if you go to settings within the app, it will allow you to sign in and it should then show as available to watch.

Well done for finding that - just done it and it is now available.