Mr Bates vs the Post Office

[Paul Waine]

Still dragging on as it will be July before it becomes law and more of the Post Masters may have died by then
Government dragging it on longer than necessary
Should start making payments now imo

I'd expect compensation payments aren't waiting until this law is passed.

[dougcollins]

Dragging it out so the next government have to deal with it.

As accused.

[GetIntoEm]

Think you're missing the bigger picture, locking 100's of innocent people up ,many of whom would have been classed as 1st time offenders surely makes a bigger mockery of the system.

I'm not saying that innocent people should suffer, but just wiping the slate clean for hundreds isn't the right way to deal with it in my opinion.

[Big Vinny K]

I'm not saying that innocent people should suffer, but just wiping the slate clean for hundreds isn't the right way to deal with it in my opinion.

Well what is ?
The post office are saying there could be 300 plus who were correctly convicted and they have the “evidence”.

Why for one second would we believe one word they say or a shred of their so called evidence ?
Remember the innocent and possibly the odd guilty person have already suffered with losing their businesses, livelihoods, etc etc for decades.

Are we going to look at all these cases and review all this evidence….would take several years.
It needs sorting now and nothing the PO say should be believed.

[dsr]

Well what is ?
The post office are saying there could be 300 plus who were correctly convicted and they have the “evidence”.

Why for one second would we believe one word they say or a shred of their so called evidence ?
Remember the innocent and possibly the odd guilty person have already suffered with losing their businesses, livelihoods, etc etc for decades.

Are we going to look at all these cases and review all this evidence….would take several years.
It needs sorting now and nothing the PO say should be believed.

I would have thought that the Appeal Court can set aside two or three weeks and hear each individual case, and basically review the judges' summing up. If weight was placed on the computer systems being accurate, then the case can be thrown out. That way each individual will be exonerated personally and publicly.

[Big Vinny K]

I would have thought that the Appeal Court can set aside two or three weeks and hear each individual case, and basically review the judges' summing up. If weight was placed on the computer systems being accurate, then the case can be thrown out. That way each individual will be exonerated personally and publicly.

All well and good in theory but the reality will be that there is no way you could trust the evidence presented by the Post Office in that it will be based on some kind of system or data that they have - irrespective of whether it is Horizon or not.
That’s your starting point - challenging the evidence presented to the judge in the original case and not the judges summing up. These are the same judges (or judicial system) that got it so wrong with the innocent post masters.
So then you are left with no (or little) choice than to review all the evidence and testimonies etc.

Bear in mind too that the people bringing these cases to court are the same lying and incompetent internal investigators in the Post Office that brought the other cases to court.

[Big Vinny K]

Starting to unravel for the Post Office now.
Cannot see any way in a million years that members of the government were not aware of this either.
If Sunak had any spine at all he would instruct criminal prosecutions against those involved and take away all their pensions too to try and recoup the £100m they spent trying to protect themselves


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[mdd2]

This has to be the biggest most heinous cover up of Big Business crushing the little man. Those found out need locking up and the key thrown away IMO and none of the Mr Saunders leniency for those who remember Guinness scandal-the only man to be cured of dementia-a criminal in civvy street and a criminal in jail.
And as Big Vinny states these people wasted £100 million flogging innocent people even apparently when some knew these sub-postmasters were innocent. Those involved in all this have to pay with their freedom and £££££££££££. Once this has been done we the taxpayers will have to fund the deficit yet again.
The press has a lot to answer for with its phone hacking the Diana interview etc but full marks to investigative journalism in this case and ITV for its programme which has made the PO case collapse like a pack of cards

[mdd2]

Starting to unravel for the Post Office now.
Cannot see any way in a million years that members of the government were not aware of this either.
If Sunak had any spine at all he would instruct criminal prosecutions against those involved and take away all their pensions too to try and recoup the £100m they spent trying to protect themselves


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Cannot see any way in a million years that members of the government were not aware of this either.
Sadly I can. They are very distant from the shop floor and cow tow to the top people running these
businesses where the Government oversee the workings. Just look at Thames water the mess it is in
the millions given to shareholders who refuse to shell out unless bills rise 40%. The Government should
fine them for their polluting until their pips squeak (Denis Healy) bankrupt them and take them over for £1
of taxpayers money to sort this.

[Paul Waine]

Starting to unravel for the Post Office now.
Cannot see any way in a million years that members of the government were not aware of this either.
If Sunak had any spine at all he would instruct criminal prosecutions against those involved and take away all their pensions too to try and recoup the £100m they spent trying to protect themselves


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The Inquiry is there to uncover the truth. Hopefully it will get there.

[Paul Waine]

This has to be the biggest most heinous cover up of Big Business crushing the little man. Those found out need locking up and the key thrown away IMO and none of the Mr Saunders leniency for those who remember Guinness scandal-the only man to be cured of dementia-a criminal in civvy street and a criminal in jail.
And as Big Vinny states these people wasted £100 million flogging innocent people even apparently when some knew these sub-postmasters were innocent. Those involved in all this have to pay with their freedom and £££££££££££. Once this has been done we the taxpayers will have to fund the deficit yet again.
The press has a lot to answer for with its phone hacking the Diana interview etc but full marks to investigative journalism in this case and ITV for its programme which has made the PO case collapse like a pack of cards

This wasn't "Big Business" this was the Post Office, and the government department that ran and runs the Post Office.

Are we really crediting the media for investigating the post office scandal? Computer Weekly were the ones to report it. Apart from Private Eye, no one else took this up for many years. It's all been the efforts of the sub-postmasters themselves and a few MPs, plus Second Sight, the forensic accountants. ITV's drama has captured everyone's attention and things are finally getting done. Of course, the Post Office Inquiry has also been progressing in the last year or so.

[IanMcL]

Out of the news now. Business as normal. Gov retreat. PO raise issues of 'proper fraud' and need to know who they are, before anyone gets paid.

Another few years.