Burnley Town centre Bar break ins

[ralph8]

Just read another bar - The Electric Circus on Bank Parade has had another attempted break in, that's around the 5th of which I'm aware in a relatively short period of time.
It must be tough running a Bar in the current economic climate without having to suffer the hurt these thieves must cause - The Bars are obviously being heavily targeted by certain individuals.
If anyone is based in the Town Centre or passing through and sees anything suspicious, call the Police, it seems like these Bars need as much help as they can get.

[bfcjg]

I'm heartily sick to the back teeth of crime and criminals. **** should be terrified of committing crime but let's face it it's a career choice.

[AmbleClaret]

20000 more police says the Government, crime shouldn't be a problem. Where's fat knacker Higginbotham these days ?

[bfcjg]

If criminals faced the harshest of punishments and were taken off the streets for a very long time you wouldn't need more police.
After a rigorous fair trial criminals should then lose all the privileges of our country.

[aggi]

If criminals faced the harshest of punishments and were taken off the streets for a very long time you wouldn't need more police.
After a rigorous fair trial criminals should then lose all the privileges of our country.

Well someone has to catch them before they go to trial. The recent stat was something like only 5% of burglaries are solved, that's pretty good odds regardless of how strict the punishment is.

[Jakubclaret]

If criminals faced the harshest of punishments and were taken off the streets for a very long time you wouldn't need more police.
After a rigorous fair trial criminals should then lose all the privileges of our country.

The resources are there if they spent a fraction of the time that they do trying to catch motorists out doing a few miles over they'd catch more people but no money in it & even if they did the prisons are full & the MOJ are releasing people early as quick as the criminals trying to get in. It's a mess a real mess.

[ralph8]

Just to clarify - its a few of the Town Centre Bars which have been targeted.

[Westleigh]

You think Burnley had problems,just been listening to Sadiq Khan ,his answer to the increase to knife crime in London is down to mobile phone theft ,and reckons if the phone manufactures make the phones unusable if stolen that would solve the knife crimes( Give me Strength)
The Mayor of London’s Firework Display followed by The Mayor of London’s book on solving crim.

[TsarBomba]

20000 more police says the Government, crime shouldn't be a problem. Where's fat knacker Higginbotham these days ?

Still 8000 fewer officers now than in 2010.

And I have no idea where these 20000 are, because numbers on the front line are still horrendously low.

I’ve come away from response because it was taking too much of a toll on my health and family life, and now i’m on a town centre team.

The team should be 1-3-21 (1 inspector, 3 sergeants, 21PC’s). I can count on one hand in 4 months how often we’ve all been working together as we should be. Some shifts I am the only PC out of 21 in, as I am not Level 2 Public Order trained.

And the Met had a grand total of 0 applications in August last year, followed by 7 in September. Not ideal when you are losing 250 officers per month, or 10% of your workforce every year.

Policing and wider public services in this country have been utterly broken by the Tories.

[GetIntoEm]

Police or no police, **** will still be sub human ****. They don't care the damage or cost, it's all for personal gain.

No excuse, lock em away and castrate them

[ISpeds00]

It wont get any better - it will worsen

[Billy Balfour]

They don't care the damage or cost, it's all for personal gain.

Sounds like you are describing the current govt.

[Westleigh]

Still 8000 fewer officers now than in 2010.

And I have no idea where these 20000 are, because numbers on the front line are still horrendously low.

I’ve come away from response because it was taking too much of a toll on my health and family life, and now i’m on a town centre team.

The team should be 1-3-21 (1 inspector, 3 sergeants, 21PC’s). I can count on one hand in 4 months how often we’ve all been working together as we should be. Some shifts I am the only PC out of 21 in, as I am not Level 2 Public Order trained.

And the Met had a grand total of 0 applications in August last year, followed by 7 in September. Not ideal when you are losing 250 officers per month, or 10% of your workforce every year.

Policing and wider public services in this country have been utterly broken by the Tories.

Talking as an old fart ,the cut backs are massive ,but society has a hell of a lot to do with it ,you only need to watch the odd police programme and as well as society having no respect for the police many people today don’t seem to have any shame ,I got my first car at 18 part exchanged it one day and hadn’t notified my insurance ,got my name in local rag for driving without insurance ,parents went ballistic for shaming the family,& for many it’s a badge of honour to get their collar felt .(rant over)

[AmbleClaret]

Still 8000 fewer officers now than in 2010.

And I have no idea where these 20000 are, because numbers on the front line are still horrendously low.

I’ve come away from response because it was taking too much of a toll on my health and family life, and now i’m on a town centre team.

The team should be 1-3-21 (1 inspector, 3 sergeants, 21PC’s). I can count on one hand in 4 months how often we’ve all been working together as we should be. Some shifts I am the only PC out of 21 in, as I am not Level 2 Public Order trained.

And the Met had a grand total of 0 applications in August last year, followed by 7 in September. Not ideal when you are losing 250 officers per month, or 10% of your workforce every year.

Policing and wider public services in this country have been utterly broken by the Tories.

Exactly this. Tories have absolutely f@@ked the police, along with every other public service. However, there will be someone along soon to stick up for them.

[Westleigh]

Sounds like you are describing the current govt.

So do you think if we had another 250,000 police they’d stop idiots from robbing to fuel their drug crazed habits? Perhaps Diane Abbot will sort it out like she was going to do last time and recruit 10,000 bobbies and it would only cost another another £5 mill .( I’m not a Tory neither)

[Jakubclaret]

So do you think if we had another 250,000 police they’d stop idiots from robbing to fuel their drug crazed habits? Perhaps Diane Abbot will sort it out like she was going to do last time and recruit 10,000 bobbies and it would only cost another another £5 mill .( I’m not a Tory neither)

Exactly it doesn't matter who's in charge it's a system that's broken beyond repair.

[Croydon Claret]

The "20k new police officers" thing was revealed to be deliberately misleading as it related to natural turnover i.e. 20k (or greater) police officers left the force and were replaced by 20k new ones.

However it was communicated in a way to make people think that 20k extra officers were on the beat

[CoolClaret]

Policing and wider public services in this country have been utterly broken by the Tories.

Say it once again for the people in the back.

[Billy Balfour]

So do you think if we had another 250,000 police they’d stop idiots from robbing to fuel their drug crazed habits? Perhaps Diane Abbot will sort it out like she was going to do last time and recruit 10,000 bobbies and it would only cost another another £5 mill .( I’m not a Tory neither)

What are you blabbering on about? It was a quip - that's all. You know what, I'm done with this place.

[Taffy on the wing]

Exactly it doesn't matter who's in charge it's a system that's broken beyond repair.

Yes it does!

[Westleigh]

Just to go again about respect for the police it doesn’t help when we hear today about the Bobby who was in charge searching for the Lancashire lady who tragically drowned has conveniently retired.

[Squidgy]

Jakubclaret


I’ll answer this one. The money spent is a fraction of what was. I worked on traffic for 16 years in a very busy inner city area. In four sub-divisions we had 64 PC’s 4 Sgts and and 1 Inspector. We were required aside from traffic patrol and accident response to respond to all reports of “ intruders on premises” urgent premise alarms, large scale disturbances and a number of other incidents.

As a result of cuts we ended up with 16PC’s and 1 Sgt. The rest were returned to response. The majority of traffic patrol vehicles were not replaced when worn out. Part of this was due to speed cameras. I’ve retired now but I’m told by old colleagues that virtually no one stops for general patrol vehicles in the areas I used to cover and they have to hope that the one or two cars covering the whole city are near by.

And in answer to the “but no money in it” the money goes to central funds (that’s government funds not the Police) Yhe money raised from speed cameras used to go to the Police initially but the government sniffled that long ago.

Oh and as an addition fatal and serious accidents in that inner city area have rocketed with supposedly modern well built cars being completely destroyed in many of those accidents. Often these high powered cars are rented and the driver is not the renter.

We reap what we sow.

[TheFamilyCat]

The resources are there if they spent a fraction of the time that they do trying to catch motorists out doing a few miles over they'd catch more people but no money in it & even if they did the prisons are full & the MOJ are releasing people early as quick as the criminals trying to get in. It's a mess a real mess.

But isn't prison so cushy that prisoners don't want letting out?

[ISpeds00]

But isn't prison so cushy that prisoners don't want letting out?

It's such as doss for some people, that they aren't bothered about going back in

[TheFamilyCat]

Jakubclaret


I’ll answer this one. The money spent is a fraction of what was. I worked on traffic for 16 years in a very busy inner city area. In four sub-divisions we had 64 PC’s 4 Sgts and and 1 Inspector. We were required aside from traffic patrol and accident response to respond to all reports of “ intruders on premises” urgent premise alarms, large scale disturbances and a number of other incidents.

As a result of cuts we ended up with 16PC’s and 1 Sgt. The rest were returned to response. The majority of traffic patrol vehicles were not replaced when worn out. Part of this was due to speed cameras. I’ve retired now but I’m told by old colleagues that virtually no one stops for general patrol vehicles in the areas I used to cover and they have to hope that the one or two cars covering the whole city are near by.

And in answer to the “but no money in it” the money goes to central funds (that’s government funds not the Police) Yhe money raised from speed cameras used to go to the Police initially but the government sniffled that long ago.

Oh and as an addition fatal and serious accidents in that inner city area have rocketed with supposedly modern well built cars being completely destroyed in many of those accidents. Often these high powered cars are rented and the driver is not the renter.

We reap what we sow.

Don't confuse him with facts.

[bfcjg]

If it wasn't for TsarBomba and other brave men and women who go out there trying their best against all the odds we would have anarchy and become the European equivalent of some of the lawless South American countries we see on the tele.
I sense society is starting to break down and the only beneficiaries are criminals and lawyers.

[boatshed bill]

So do you think if we had another 250,000 police they’d stop idiots from robbing to fuel their drug crazed habits? Perhaps Diane Abbot will sort it out like she was going to do last time and recruit 10,000 bobbies and it would only cost another another £5 mill .( I’m not a Tory neither)

Well maybe they should do more about the overt drug dealing on our streets instead of pumping out the same old line "we're after the big dealers".

[Spike]

Chop their hands off!

[Boss Hogg]

You think Burnley had problems,just been listening to Sadiq Khan ,his answer to the increase to knife crime in London is down to mobile phone theft ,and reckons if the phone manufactures make the phones unusable if stolen that would solve the knife crimes( Give me Strength)
The Mayor of London’s Firework Display followed by The Mayor of London’s book on solving crim.

Utterly inept Mayor of London imo.

[Devils_Advocate]

Think the Tories should be asking the mayor of London for some advice seen as his London is out performing the Tory run country

[Boss Hogg]

Chart Source ?
What do the numbers represent ?
Type of crime ? Stealing loaves of bread or stabbings ?

[basil6345789]

Just read another bar - The Electric Circus on Bank Parade has had another attempted break in, that's around the 5th of which I'm aware in a relatively short period of time.
It must be tough running a Bar in the current economic climate without having to suffer the hurt these thieves must cause - The Bars are obviously being heavily targeted by certain individuals.
If anyone is based in the Town Centre or passing through and sees anything suspicious, call the Police, it seems like these Bars need as much help as they can get.

The Police can always be found at their Asda Macdonalds headquarters

[taio]

Think the Tories should be asking the mayor of London for some advice seen as his London is out performing the Tory run country

Per capita crime rate is consistently higher in London than the UK

[Devils_Advocate]

Per capita crime rate is consistently higher in London than the UK

Yes but the rate of increase in London over the last decade has been lower than the rate of increase than the rest of the country. People talk about crime being out of control in London because of Sadiq Khan but actually crime is out of control across the UK and is increasing at a faster rate outside of London

Its much more complicated than laying the blame at the door of either the Mayor or the govt but if I had to choose one who's more responsible then it definitely wouldnt be the mayor of London

[Devils_Advocate]

Chart Source ?
What do the numbers represent ?
Type of crime ? Stealing loaves of bread or stabbings ?

Govt national statistics data and the data is on violent crime

[CoolClaret]

An increase in crime is expected when wealth inequality ramps up to unsustainable levels.

We have all the data that you’d ever need on this and how tougher prison sentences etc does nothing.

Might sound good to those baying for blood but it’s not the answer - systemic change is needed and it’s needed quickly.

[TsarBomba]

Yes but the rate of increase in London over the last decade has been lower than the rate of increase than the rest of the country. People talk about crime being out of control in London because of Sadiq Khan but actually crime is out of control across the UK and is increasing at a faster rate outside of London

Its much more complicated than laying the blame at the door of either the Mayor or the govt but if I had to choose one who's more responsible then it definitely wouldnt be the mayor of London

Absolutely agree.

I’ve seen Khan do far, far more to combat knife crime and violent crime than any other London Mayor.

There’s 1 person who largely shoulders the blame for the dire state British policing is now in, and that Theresa May.

[Rowls]

Think the Tories should be asking the mayor of London for some advice seen as his London is out performing the Tory run country

Yeah but

[Ptangyangkipperbang]

My family has had 12 months of hell and we are still in an ongoing situation.I can't say anything but I really hope nobody has to endure our predicament it's been like living in a far fetched drama and the blame lays at one institution.Believe me if we get out of it I will be shouting from the rooftops about how inept lying bullying people we have to put our trust in actually are

[RicardoMontalban]

So do you think if we had another 250,000 police they’d stop idiots from robbing to fuel their drug crazed habits? Perhaps Diane Abbot will sort it out like she was going to do last time and recruit 10,000 bobbies and it would only cost another another £5 mill .( I’m not a Tory neither)

There are currently approximately between 166,000 and 186,000 police officers in the UK & NI depending on which sources you look at. Of course that’s just warranted officers, not the whole support structure that sits behind them which has been utterly gutted in the last 10 years. Are you saying you don’t think more than doubling that number (which is utterly fanciful anyway) would have an impact on the police’s ability to prevent and/or detect crime?

[Jakubclaret]

Jakubclaret


I’ll answer this one. The money spent is a fraction of what was. I worked on traffic for 16 years in a very busy inner city area. In four sub-divisions we had 64 PC’s 4 Sgts and and 1 Inspector. We were required aside from traffic patrol and accident response to respond to all reports of “ intruders on premises” urgent premise alarms, large scale disturbances and a number of other incidents.

As a result of cuts we ended up with 16PC’s and 1 Sgt. The rest were returned to response. The majority of traffic patrol vehicles were not replaced when worn out. Part of this was due to speed cameras. I’ve retired now but I’m told by old colleagues that virtually no one stops for general patrol vehicles in the areas I used to cover and they have to hope that the one or two cars covering the whole city are near by.

And in answer to the “but no money in it” the money goes to central funds (that’s government funds not the Police) Yhe money raised from speed cameras used to go to the Police initially but the government sniffled that long ago.

Oh and as an addition fatal and serious accidents in that inner city area have rocketed with supposedly modern well built cars being completely destroyed in many of those accidents. Often these high powered cars are rented and the driver is not the renter.

We reap what we sow.

I'm not disputing a lot what you've said, things might have changed regarding the allocation of money that's been distributed but that doesn't alter the fact for years they was deliberately guiding people to take the speed awareness courses for the commission referral. I wasn't referring to boy racers with high powered sports cars being targeted as you well know I was referring to the everyday driver going a few miles over not somebody flying through town like a bat out of hell. Things might have changed regarding the money but for years stinging motorists under the pretence of road safety the police was on a good screw for years & it had to end sooner or later.

[Nori1958]

Talking as an old fart ,the cut backs are massive ,but society has a hell of a lot to do with it ,you only need to watch the odd police programme and as well as society having no respect for the police many people today don’t seem to have any shame ,I got my first car at 18 part exchanged it one day and hadn’t notified my insurance ,got my name in local rag for driving without insurance ,parents went ballistic for shaming the family,& for many it’s a badge of honour to get their collar felt .(rant over)

For once I agree with you

[ClaretFelix]

I'm not disputing a lot what you've said, things might have changed regarding the allocation of money that's been distributed but that doesn't alter the fact for years they was deliberately guiding people to take the speed awareness courses for the commission referral. I wasn't referring to boy racers with high powered sports cars being targeted as you well know I was referring to the everyday driver going a few miles over not somebody flying through town like a bat out of hell. Things might have changed regarding the money but for years stinging motorists under the pretence of road safety the police was on a good screw for years & it had to end sooner or later.

You say this like the money went straight into the officers own pockets??
And "a few miles over" is a few miles OVER.

[Jakubclaret]

You say this like the money went straight into the officers own pockets??
And "a few miles over" is a few miles OVER.

I'm not saying the money directly went to the officers pockets but I believe the top brass would have certainly sent a directive prioritising such an action to help the budget. It's already widely recognised the force were undergoing savage cuts regarding the funding I can't think of a better way to engineer money from elsewhere. The government since have realised how much money can be made from it & have put a stop to it & are taking the money for themselves. Yes a few miles is over why not give them another form of punishment which doesn't involve a financial transaction if road safety is the priority or is money the motive overriding everything else.

[ClaretFelix]

I'm not saying the money directly went to the officers pockets but I believe the top brass would have certainly sent a directive prioritising such an action to help the budget. It's already widely recognised the force were undergoing savage cuts regarding the funding I can't think of a better way to engineer money from elsewhere. The government since have realised how much money can be made from it & have put a stop to it & are taking the money for themselves. Yes a few miles is over why not give them another form of punishment which doesn't involve a financial transaction if road safety is the priority or is money the motive overriding everything else.

Because money talks.

People are less likely to want to be hit with a financial punishment so will, or should think on. Taking a course also means less likely to be hit with higher insurance premium with the added points, which is also favourable in terms of cash in your wallet.

People can take what they want from the courses, but the number 1 reason for people attending is to avoid being stung financially. Anything else wouldn't be worth the time or effort and wouldn't nearly have the same impact.

There is no ulterior motive about the finances and where the money goes. Its quite transparent.

[Jakubclaret]

Because money talks.

People are less likely to want to be hit with a financial punishment so will, or should think on. Taking a course also means less likely to be hit with higher insurance premium with the added points, which is also favourable in terms of cash in your wallet.

People can take what they want from the courses, but the number 1 reason for people attending is to avoid being stung financially. Anything else wouldn't be worth the time or effort and wouldn't nearly have the same impact.

There is no ulterior motive about the finances and where the money goes. Its quite transparent.

Hogwash it's a cash cow plain & simple if they wanted to really improve the roads that money would go back into surfacing them & getting rid of all the potholes, it's a contributing factor causing some of the accidents in the first place although I accept speed is the main cause. Does the highway agency even see any of that money if they do they certainly aren't doing anything constructive with it the roads are worse than there ever been

[RicardoMontalban]

Hogwash it's a cash cow plain & simple if they wanted to really improve the roads that money would go back into surfacing them & getting rid of all the potholes, it's a contributing factor causing some of the accidents in the first place although I accept speed is the main cause. Does the highway agency even see any of that money if they do they certainly aren't doing anything constructive with it the roads are worse than there ever been

Money from FPNs for traffic offences, goes directly to HM Treasury, not the police force issuing. It is not ringfenced for any specific purpose.

[Jakubclaret]

Money from FPNs for traffic offences, goes directly to HM Treasury, not the police force issuing. It is not ringfenced for any specific purpose.

Way behind that's already covered that the incoming money's changed hands.

[RicardoMontalban]

Way behind that's already covered that the incoming money's changed hands.

Wait, what? “Changed hands”?

I think you’ve let your imagination run away with you a little there.

[Jakubclaret]

Wait, what? “Changed hands”?

I think you’ve let your imagination run away with you a little there.

It's changed from the money directly going to the police to the central government. The debate was focused on the speed awareness course money generated.