Arijanet Muric

[Boss Hogg]

Muric should undoubtedly have started the season as no 1. Poor man management not doing this. He is far calmer, composed and decisive on the ball when Trafford often looks nervy. Trafford makes poor decisions. Trafford will become a good keeper but Muric is more suited to the way we are set up to play now. Clearly divisive but many seem to have changed stance after a couple of good games from Trafford.

[deanothedino]

Muric should undoubtedly have started the season as no 1. Poor man management not doing this. He is far calmer, composed and decisive on the ball when Trafford often looks nervy. Trafford makes poor decisions. Trafford will become a good keeper but Muric is more suited to the way we are set up to play now. Clearly divisive but many seem to have changed stance after a couple of good games from Trafford.

“Trafford makes poor decisions”

Not seen many like the one Muric made for their goal.

[Nori1958]

You said in the games Muric has played but you only want to count 2 of the 4 he’s played, your whole argument is having a problem with my opinion because there’s no facts, you simply can’t have facts because Muric hasn’t played in the league, simply in my opinion we would have been a much more confident, harder to beat side from minute one of the season with Muric in goal but I also think there’s other decisions at the start the season that cost us points

I said the last two games against premier League opposition

Anyway enough is enough, enjoy your day

[Dark Cloud]

I would never sit here and say Muric is a world class keeper because he isn't, but of two we are essentially picking our starting keeper from imo he's the better and that's because of two main factors. They both pass the ball out from the back, but Trafford plays it 10 yards to the CB every single time, even when we're under pressure and even when we're a goal down in the 90th minute. Muric has the long, raking, visionary accurate pass out in his locker when required and for a team like us that really matters. The other thing has to be Muric's ability to catch and command at high free kicks and corners which Trafford really, really struggles with. Not much to choose between them tbf, but those two factors are huge and it's hurting us.

[Boss Hogg]

“Trafford makes poor decisions”

Not seen many like the one Muric made for their goal.

I wouldn’t be laying the responsibility for that just down to Muric. He actually made one worse one earlier in the game. That is two but overall he did well. I have seen Trafford make countless errors and clangers this season.

[123EasyasBFC]

I said the last two games against premier League opposition

Anyway enough is enough, enjoy your day

At first you just said the games he played then you changed it to the last 2 games to suit the narrative you want to have all about my opinion

[Nori1958]

I would never sit here and say Muric is a world class keeper because he isn't, but of two we are essentially picking our starting keeper from imo he's the better and that's because of two main factors. They both pass the ball out from the back, but Trafford plays it 10 yards to the CB every single time, even when we're under pressure and even when we're a goal down in the 90th minute. Muric has the long, raking, visionary accurate pass out in his locker when required and for a team like us that really matters. The other thing has to be Muric's ability to catch and command at high free kicks and corners which Trafford really, really struggles with. Not much to choose between them tbf, but those two factors are huge and it's hurting us.

First goal against sheff utd ?..Fosters goal last week ?.don't think they were a pass to the CB.....so it's not every single time

I agree with the catching of high balls

[123EasyasBFC]

“Trafford makes poor decisions”

Not seen many like the one Muric made for their goal.

I don’t know how anyone can watch the goal last night and not blame Amdouni

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Quite bizarre but no real surprise posters are blaming Muric for the goal despite Amdouni losing it when he had a simple pass inside to Tresor instead of trying to nutmeg their player.

[Boss Hogg]

If Muric had started the season as number one as he should have we wouldn’t have this debate as he’d be in or out of the team on merit. He’s not.

[deanothedino]

I wouldn’t be laying the responsibility for that just down to Muric. He actually made one worse one earlier in the game. That is two but overall he did well. I have seen Trafford make countless errors and clangers this season.

I don’t think Trafford has made many errors leading to goals this season personally. A few people here talking about presence. Yeah, Muric comes across as erratic and in a rush whereas I see Trafford as calm and composed. Trafford is also the better shot stopper for me and as much as VK wants us to play with a keeper using his feet I’d always take a shot stopper over a passer.

Someone suggested we’d be out of the drop zone with Muric starting this season, I think we’d be rock bottom and last night didn’t change my mind.

[Ragnar]

If we scored from that pass it would have been a great pass from muric

[deanothedino]

Quite bizarre but no real surprise posters are blaming Muric for the goal despite Amdouni losing it when he had a simple pass inside to Tresor instead of trying to nutmeg their player.

Because half our team were behind Muric? Lack of awareness from both him and Zeki.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Because half our team were behind Muric? Lack of awareness from both him and Zeki.

Eh? The counter attack was on it was poor play yet again from Amdouni.

[Nori1958]

You said in the games Muric has played but you only want to count 2 of the 4 he’s played, your whole argument is having a problem with my opinion because there’s no facts, you simply can’t have facts because Muric hasn’t played in the league, simply in my opinion we would have been a much more confident, harder to beat side from minute one of the season with Muric in goal but I also think there’s other decisions at the start the season that cost us points

Wrong again....my first mention of how many games was...

"If its Muric playing out from the back, how many goals have we scored in the last two games he's played against Premier league opposition? In fact how many chances did we make in those games? So how would we have got the points to be comfortably out of the relegation places?"

It's on the previous page go and look...meanwhile iam off for a walk

[Nori1958]

If we scored from that pass it would have been a great pass from muric

If.......

[deanothedino]

Eh? The counter attack was on it was poor play yet again from Amdouni.

That throw was not a high percentage play, not even close.

[Big Vinny K]

Quite bizarre but no real surprise posters are blaming Muric for the goal despite Amdouni losing it when he had a simple pass inside to Tresor instead of trying to nutmeg their player.

Would you say that the goal against Spurs at home was Trafford’s fault ? (I did think so btw)

Part of the game is decision making. Just like Trafford should not have given the ball to Al Dakill who had a man near him and was having a really poor game Muric should not have given the ball to a player who had an aggressive and forward thinking full back like Porro near him and a player in Amdouni who rarely takes the easy option (like the easy pass to Tresor).

Of course Amdouni is partly to blame to but all the pundits and commentators last night focused their attention on how needless a throw it was from Muric at a point in the game we had just been very lucky to not concede and he needed to slow / calm things down.

[123EasyasBFC]

I don’t think Trafford has made many errors leading to goals this season personally. A few people here talking about presence. Yeah, Muric comes across as erratic and in a rush whereas I see Trafford as calm and composed. Trafford is also the better shot stopper for me and as much as VK wants us to play with a keeper using his feet I’d always take a shot stopper over a passer.

Someone suggested we’d be out of the drop zone with Muric starting this season, I think we’d be rock bottom and last night didn’t change my mind.

Yeah in my opinion we would be out the bottom 3, I have seen anything in Trafford that tells me he is calm and composed, he is very nervy and has been all season, Luton away from kick off nervy touch and kicked it against morris one example of him not being calm and composed, muric is one of the calmest keepers we have ever had. Don’t know where people get muric is erratic from, Pickford is what you class as erratic

[BobSykes]

One thing that did anger me last night amidst many positives overall was just how much more we looked like the Championship winning side last night and how much better off we might now be if we'd played this way, with Muric the lynchpin like last year. Sure he's not perfect, we knew that from last season, and we'd still be near the bottom but i bet our season would still be very much alive and safety a real possibility.

Sure we paid a fortune for Trafford and who knows perhaps legally obliged to play him as number 1 (itself staggering if so) but you play your best players. End of. That we haven't is criminal and negligent.

[CaptJohn]

Having watched Muric last night I feel he is the better option at present. He looked fit, sharp and physically able to deal with high balls. More importantly he seems to exude confidence, something lacking in Trafford at the moment which not only encourages the opposition but terrifies our defence.

[warksclaret]

The more I see the Spurs goal, and it has been shown countless times, the more you realise Muric is rooted to his goal line. It may be he is disappointed his quick throw out to Amdouini was not well controlled and their full back has surged forward and in no time hit a hard shot, and caught him unprepared. However he is standing close to the side the goal went in and remained totally static. I have seen enough of PL keepers in my time to know the great majority of the current ones would have got to it/got their finger tips to it/ got very close to saving it owing to their great instincts. Having seen Trafford in our last 3 games my money based on the numerous saves he has recently made, would be that he keeps that out.

[123EasyasBFC]

The more I see the Spurs goal, and it has been shown countless times, the more you realise Muric is rooted to his goal line. It may be he is disappointed his quick throw out to Amdouini was not well controlled and their full back has surged forward and in no time hit a hard shot, and caught him unprepared. However he is standing close to the side the goal went in and remained totally static. I have seen enough of PL keepers in my time to know the great majority of the current ones would have got to it/got their finger tips to it/ got very close to saving it owing to their great instincts. Having seen Trafford in our last 3 games my money based on the numerous saves he has recently made, would be that he keeps that out.

Hahaha that has to be there looking for the biggest bite possible

[Dark Cloud]

I actually think the throw out leading to the goal last night was a whisker away from being genius. If Amdouni slips it past Pedro as he almost did we had a real break on as Spurs were mainly ahead of the ball and were very open. I think Muric spotted this and tried to get us on the quick counter attack. Yes, it unfortunately failed and yes, he has to then share some of the blame.
The throw out in the first half on the other hand was nothing short of a ridiculous brain fart!!!

[Vincent'sCap]

What ever Muric did last nightTrafford is still a better keeper than him and barring injury that's the last time you Muric luvvies will see him play for us.
And I'll be glad to see the back of him,if only it stops these grovelling threads about putting him on some sort of pedestal and hailing him as some sort of Messiah

[Boss Hogg]

I don’t think Trafford has made many errors leading to goals this season personally. A few people here talking about presence. Yeah, Muric comes across as erratic and in a rush whereas I see Trafford as calm and composed. Trafford is also the better shot stopper for me and as much as VK wants us to play with a keeper using his feet I’d always take a shot stopper over a passer.

Someone suggested we’d be out of the drop zone with Muric starting this season, I think we’d be rock bottom and last night didn’t change my mind.

Muric might do some strange things ( and often entertaining) but I don’t think he’s erratic and in a rush at all. Trafford is not calm and composed and often makes the wrong call in a rush. Muric is more confident and decisive.

[deanothedino]

Having watched Muric last night I feel he is the better option at present. He looked fit, sharp and physically able to deal with high balls. More importantly he seems to exude confidence, something lacking in Trafford at the moment which not only encourages the opposition but terrifies our defence.

Trafford lacks confidence? Didn’t look to lack confidence prior to Villa’s penalty to me. He didn’t save it, but to be fair if he had we’d be saying it was one of the best penalty saves we’ve ever seen.

[deanothedino]

Muric might do some strange things ( and often entertaining) but I don’t think he’s erratic and in a rush at all. Trafford is not calm and composed and often makes the wrong call in a rush. Muric is more confident and decisive.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I can’t even see how we’re watching the same two keepers our opinions are that far apart.

[123EasyasBFC]

Trafford lacks confidence? Didn’t look to lack confidence prior to Villa’s penalty to me. He didn’t save it, but to be fair if he had we’d be saying it was one of the best penalty saves we’ve ever seen.

How is how Trafford looked before villas pen a good marker to whether he’s confident or not, if your basing it on how a keeper looks there is no comparison to how calm muric always looks

[123EasyasBFC]

It’s funny, everything people seem to see as erratic in muric is what Trafford does in a game and everything people say is calm and composed about Trafford is what muric does in a game

[deanothedino]

How is how Trafford looked before villas pen a good marker to whether he’s confident or not, if your basing it on how a keeper looks there is no comparison to how calm muric always looks

How else are you judging confidence?

As for why is Muric erratic? Well, wasn’t great to see his trademark pass to a lightweight midfielder on the edge of our box facing our own goal with a player breathing down their neck again. Probably accounted for at least 3 goals against us last season.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

That throw was not a high percentage play, not even close.

High percentage play whatever that means. He lost the ball crap and weak forward play again. I’m sure if he’d beat his man or passed and we’d scored you’d be posting what a superb throw it was from Muric.

[123EasyasBFC]

How else are you judging confidence?

As for why is Muric erratic? Well, wasn’t great to see his trademark pass to a lightweight midfielder on the edge of our box facing our own goal with a player breathing down their neck again. Probably accounted for at least 3 goals against us last season.

You judge confidence as a keeper in our system as their ability on the ball, the speed in which they make decisions and there ability to command their area. Someone stood waiting for a penalty surely isn’t the basis of your argument.

How does a pass to a lightweight midfielder make muric erratic? So Trafford playing Berge into trouble right at the start of second half against full makes him erratic does it?

[deanothedino]

High percentage play whatever that means. He lost the ball crap and weak forward play again. I’m sure if he’d beat his man or passed and we’d scored you’d be posting what a superb throw it was from Muric.

I’d probably be focussing on what Zeki or whoever scored did tbh.

It’s quite obvious what high percentage play means and if you’re going to have a debate about whether Muric made a good decision I’d expect you’d know what it means as well as it’s the basis of whether decision making is good or bad.

[123EasyasBFC]

I’d probably be focussing on what Zeki or whoever scored did tbh.

It’s quite obvious what high percentage play means and if you’re going to have a debate about whether Muric made a good decision I’d expect you’d know what it means as well as it’s the basis of whether decision making is good or bad.

Hahaha so if the big if of us scoring from that mistake last night you wouldn’t give muric any credit for the throw out? Hahaha come on

[taio]

Both Muric and Amdouni were at fault. It's hardly bizarre suggesting that Muric was partially to blame. Other than that Muric played well and was assured in the main. Mistakes happen.

[deanothedino]

You judge confidence as a keeper in our system as their ability on the ball, the speed in which they make decisions and there ability to command their area. Someone stood waiting for a penalty surely isn’t the basis of your argument.

How does a pass to a lightweight midfielder make muric erratic? So Trafford playing Berge into trouble right at the start of second half against full makes him erratic does it?

He wasn’t “stood waiting” though. That’s the point.

Ability on the ball isn’t something I predominately judge a keeper on, so no I probably don’t think Muric is confident as a keeper because he’s happy with the ball at his feet. I’ve no problems with Trafford’s decision making apart from maybe one goal early in the season where he should have come out sooner.

Because he’s under no pressure and rushing the ball out to someone who is.

[Bordeauxclaret]

It was a good throw.
Amdouini had options and messed it up.

[deanothedino]

I’d probably be focussing on what Zeki or whoever scored did tbh.

It’s quite obvious what high percentage play means and if you’re going to have a debate about whether Muric made a good decision I’d expect you’d know what it means as well as it’s the basis of whether decision making is good or bad.

We’ll never find out, because it was a stupid throw and we were punished for it

[123EasyasBFC]

He wasn’t “stood waiting” though. That’s the point.

Ability on the ball isn’t something I predominately judge a keeper on, so no I probably don’t think Muric is confident as a keeper because he’s happy with the ball at his feet. I’ve no problems with Trafford’s decision making apart from maybe one goal early in the season where he should have come out sooner.

Because he’s under no pressure and rushing the ball out to someone who is.

I can’t understand what Trafford before the Villa penalty means he shows confidence, he didn’t do anything, you don’t judge a keeper in our system with their ability on the ball? Then what are you judging them on that’s the main part of our game.

You failed to acknowledge at how does muric playing a pass to a midfielder makes him erratic? But Trafford doing the same doesn’t make him erratic

[deanothedino]

You failed to acknowledge at how does muric playing a pass to a midfielder makes him erratic? But Trafford doing the same doesn’t make him erratic

I can’t remember seeing Trafford do it. Feel free to show me video that he did. Whereas I saw Muric do it last night and can remember him doing it 2/3 with Cullen last season leading to us conceding.

So you don’t judge a keeper’s confidence based on their body language before facing a penalty but do surely based on them with the ball at their feet. Ok. Seems logical.

I’ve never said Muric isn’t confident. He clearly is, confidence isn’t always good though as it’s probably to blame for a good number of his mistakes with the ball.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t think Trafford has made many errors leading to goals this season personally. A few people here talking about presence. Yeah, Muric comes across as erratic and in a rush whereas I see Trafford as calm and composed. Trafford is also the better shot stopper for me and as much as VK wants us to play with a keeper using his feet I’d always take a shot stopper over a passer.

Someone suggested we’d be out of the drop zone with Muric starting this season, I think we’d be rock bottom and last night didn’t change my mind.

Literally went away to spurs with a 2 man midfield of Cullen and Ramsey and had by far the better chances to win the game. Quite staggering that you can make that claim in all honesty.

[deanothedino]

Literally went away to spurs with a 2 man midfield of Cullen and Ramsey and had by far the better chances to win the game. Quite staggering that you can make that claim in all honesty.

Spurs barely even got out neutral. You’re kidding yourself if you think that is representative of a league game. They should have taken us to the cleaners in the first half based on O’Shea’s mistakes alone.

[123EasyasBFC]

I can’t remember seeing Trafford do it. Feel free to show me video that he did. Whereas I saw Muric do it last night and can remember him doing it 2/3 with Cullen last season leading to us conceding.

So you don’t judge a keeper’s confidence based on their body language before facing a penalty but do surely based on them with the ball at their feet. Ok. Seems logical.

I’ve never said Muric isn’t confident. He clearly is, confidence isn’t always good though as it’s probably to blame for a good number of his mistakes with the ball.

Muric passed one the Cullen last season that resulted in a goal and that was Blackpool at home. So Muric being confident isn’t always a good thing but you are trying to calm Trafford is calm and confident as a positive in an argument about Muric being erratic, doesn’t make sense

[CoolClaret]

Spurs barely even got out neutral. You’re kidding yourself if you think that is representative of a league game. They should have taken us to the cleaners in the first half based on O’Shea’s mistakes alone.

Because we didn't let them?

Look at the team shape last night vs the prior 10 games in a 4-4-2.

Last night we absolutely spread the pitch and had Spurs chasing shadows for parts - so far removed from some of the turgid stuff we've seen this season.

I honestly don't know what some watch. Rewatch the game highlights and look at some of the pings into Amdouni splitting midfield. It's so apparent to me it's chalk and cheese.

[Clovius Boofus]

This thread is like being back in infant school and arguing about your favourite player.

[deanothedino]

Because we didn't let them?

Look at the team shape last night vs the prior 10 games in a 4-4-2.

Last night we absolutely spread the pitch and had Spurs chasing shadows for parts - so far removed from some of the turgid stuff we've seen this season.

I honestly don't know what some watch. Rewatch the game highlights and look at some of the pings into Amdouni splitting midfield. It's so apparent to me it's chalk and cheese.

You really think a performance against a second string Spurs is a sign we would be in a better league position if Muric had been starting and you don’t know what some people are watching?

[CoolClaret]

Thttps://x.com/kosovo_49/status/1743401082796101919?s=20

00:44 on that ^

You tell me what keepers can do that. It's bloody top, top tier stuff.

[Swizzlestick]

Muric should not have been dropped. It was his shirt to lose and Trafford should have been doing the challenging for it. Some think it doesn’t matter either way - I think it very much has mattered and we’ve sat through a lot of staid, lifeless football because of it. A big error - not the only one, by any stretch, but a big one.

[CoolClaret]

You really think a performance against a second string Spurs is a sign we would be in a better league position if Muric had been starting and you don’t know what some people are watching?

Decent strawman. What was our side then? Kulusevski, Richarlison, Porro, Udogie, Vicario all been first team regulars and are good players in there own right - not to mention it was away.

Could have easily won that and Spurs want silverware, they're going for a Cup.