Burnley v Luton

[bfcjg]

Clear foul, but Luton deserved something.

[scamander]

Didn't see the game so I can't comment on much. However, the "it's ok we'll defend a narrow advantage for 20 mins or so sat deep" plan doesn't seem to have worked again.

From what I could tell (mainly from here) we decided to barricade the doors and hope. If you do that you bring the dodgy decision into play. Was there no option to push up and attack them? Feels a bit naive from VK as this is a tough ask for teams who are good at defending.

[Nonayforever]

Poor game, poor result, but what was truly disappointing was the fact Luton only put one or two crosses onto the penalty spot and all our players fell like a pack of cards.

[Westleigh]

All those fans saying what a night Trafford had then in the next breath saying Luton never had a sniff ,you can’t have it both ways guys .

[bumba]

Clear foul, but Luton deserved something.

Watch it back.

[dansch]

Mate it was never a foul in a million Sundays, he cocked up.... school boys in a man's game do.
If Luton have been better than us after what we have spent then WHY?

The same way we got results off other teams who'd spent way more when we were under Dyche, that's football mate. Right now we're not in a great place but are slowly improving. That WAS a foul, all people I know who are neutral say same. People on here clearly have an agenda against what VK is doing. It's been baffling at times I can't argue I'm behind him and players like Trafford and I believe he can turn it around. When you're near the bottom though it's difficult and you need a bit of luck which we don't seem to get.

[Westleigh]

https://twitter.com/PxckedIze/status/17 ... pYE3A&s=19

There is no way on earth this is not a foul

Couldn’t see from where I was sat in the Bob Lord ,but Trafford was falling down as soon as the guy look at him ,weak as pee.

[bumba]

The same way we got results off other teams who'd spent way more when we were under Dyche, that's football mate. Right now we're not in a great place but are slowly improving. That WAS a foul, all people I know who are neutral say same. People on here clearly have an agenda against what VK is doing. It's been baffling at times I can't argue I'm behind him and players like Trafford and I believe he can turn it around. When you're near the bottom though it's difficult and you need a bit of luck which we don't seem to get.

Seriously people have an agenda against VK?
He gave us an unbelievable season last year but this season is nothing short of garbage.
It wasn't a foul no matter what angle you look at Trafford is at fault. Drawing at home to Luton isn't improving, we are going worse.

[KRBFC]

Best you can do to support your man?

Who is my man?

This just highlights how you’re so intent on division and negativity, you’re describing our players/manager as “your man”. Shouldn’t they be our men (no homo)? Aren’t we all supposed to be BFC fans?

[bumba]

https://twitter.com/PxckedIze/status/17 ... pYE3A&s=19

There is no way on earth this is not a foul

Foul
If the player backs away he doesn't get near the ball. No man's land springs to mind. What was he thinking.
Can't disallow a goal for a keeper error

[Kilson810]

The same way we got results off other teams who'd spent way more when we were under Dyche, that's football mate. Right now we're not in a great place but are slowly improving. That WAS a foul, all people I know who are neutral say same. People on here clearly have an agenda against what VK is doing. It's been baffling at times I can't argue I'm behind him and players like Trafford and I believe he can turn it around. When you're near the bottom though it's difficult and you need a bit of luck which we don't seem to get.

1-1 at home to Luton is an improvement?

[dansch]

Seriously people have an agenda against VK?
He gave us an unbelievable season last year but this season is nothing short of garbage.
It wasn't a foul no matter what angle you look at Trafford is at fault. Drawing at home to Luton isn't improving, we are going worse.

It was a foul from several angles, I think you'll find the majority of people will agree

[bumba]

It was a foul from several angles, I think you'll find the majority of people will agree

I think you'll find the majority don't.

[willsclarets]

Foul
If the player backs away he doesn't get near the ball. No man's land springs to mind. What was he thinking.
Can't disallow a goal for a keeper error

It's a foul, clear as day. But don't let your dislike of trafford cloud your judgement. Hes not great on crosses, but a foul is a foul. He backs into him without any intention of playing the ball. For comparison, this goal was disallowed
https://twitter.com/EvertonGear/status/ ... zN3Tg&s=19

[dansch]

1-1 at home to Luton is an improvement?

Well it would have been 3 points if a foul had been correctly given. We have improved in the last month or so compared to earlier in the season, if you can't see that then hey ho

[bumba]

It's a foul, clear as day. But don't let your dislike of trafford cloud your judgement. Hes not great on crosses, but a foul is a foul. He backs into him without any intention of playing the ball. For comparison, this goal was disallowed
https://twitter.com/EvertonGear/status/ ... zN3Tg&s=19

Who backs in to him? If the attacker isn't there he is no where near the ball, massive error. Never a foul imagine that given against us....it'd be biased VAR

[dansch]

It was a foul from several angles, I think you'll find the majority of people will agree

Literally there's more people on here saying it's a foul than not and everyone I've spoken to who isn't a Burnley fan says it's a foul. Whatever suits your agenda mate

[Boss Hogg]

I didn’t expect us to win when they announced the 5 mins of injury time. Despite the dodgy decision we didn’t ultimately do enough. We’ve a soft underbelly. Poor in the first half and negative tactics for a long period of the second. Don’t really feel hard done by because of this.

[warksclaret]

I am wondering if we had scored the goal Luton scored whether our fans would think it should be allowed

[willsclarets]

Who backs in to him? If the attacker isn't there he is no where near the ball, massive error. Never a foul imagine that given against us....it'd be biased VAR

Absolute boll*cks.

[Colburn_Claret]

There's no doubt it was a foul, imo the problem is Trafford was so weak that he gives the var an out.
If he'd really gone for it and made the foul more obvious it would have been given.
It doesn't matter anymore the points have gone, and overall we just weren't good enough. If we had half the battle and bottle, they Luton do we'd be comfortable. Its why they score late goals, and we keep conceding them.

[bumba]

Absolute boll*cks.

No it's not, if we get a goal like that disallowed against any top 6 club we'd say it was top 6 bias and soft.
Striker stands his ground, Trafford is miles from the ball and flops like an OAP without Viagra.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Regardless of Trafford being weak and easily beaten to the ball most times because he doesn't command his box and is it a foul is it not a foul discussion all what that is doing is papering over the cracks, we wasted loads of chances to put the ball into the box and should of been at least 3 goal's in front before they scored, we ended last season 21 point's above Luton yet we looked like boys v men, PATHETIC EFFORT TONIGHT

[willsclarets]

No it's not, if we get a goal like that disallowed against any top 6 club we'd say it was top 6 bias and soft.
Striker stands his ground, Trafford is miles from the ball and flops like an OAP without Viagra.

Interesting that Rob Edwards even said he'd be annoyed at the decision not being given for his team. There's no consistency. Did you watch the Everton goal? It's a far softer one and still disallowed
You clearly have a massive agenda against Trafford but fine, whatever makes you happy.

[MDWat]

Is bumba’s argument here that if the striker wasn’t there, Trafford wouldn’t get to it?

The problem with that argument is the striker was there, and he fouled him. So it’s irrelevant whether he’d get to it or not.

It’s a clear foul.

[StayingDown4Ever]

It’s a clear foul.

No, it wasn’t.

[MDWat]

No, it wasn’t.

It was, in my opinion.

As Trafford is about to spring, the striker clearly impedes him by leaning his backside into him.

Looks pretty obvious to me and the vast majority of both this thread and the media.

Appreciate there are different opinions though.

[Rick_Muller]

Just bumped into a group of Luton fans at the Birmingham services on the way home, they were watching the replay and they all agreed it was a foul and they all expected it to be overturned at the time. They saw the foul from the CFS the same as me, yet the officials couldn’t see it with close up cameras.

They also agreed the Prem seems corrupt and favours the big clubs, want both our clubs to stay up to put two fingers up to them all. Good fans, being honest, nice to chat to them too.

[Colburn_Claret]

Is bumba’s argument here that if the striker wasn’t there, Trafford wouldn’t get to it?

The problem with that argument is the striker was there, and he fouled him. So it’s irrelevant whether he’d get to it or not.

It’s a clear foul.

He fouled him agreed, so Trafford gives up and waits for the whistle..... he should have flattened him in trying to get to the ball. You have to show more effort than that. As I said earlier his lack of effort just makes him look weak, which gives var an excuse to put it down to weak keeping.
There's a lack of fight, and belief in the team, not just Trafford and it gets punished week after week.

[knclaret]

Vinnie’s tactics cost us again.
Going 5 at the back invited them to come at us and it’s inevitable we would make a mistake.
Tresor’s contribution was zero.
No commitment or effort. One of the worst signings in the clubs history

[dsr]

Really strange one for me, I think Trafford messed up and realised he wasn’t getting near it so went down under light contact.

What I will say is usually any contact at all on a keeper is given as a free kick.

The only thing I can think off is has the ref thought he’s gone down on purpose because he realised he wasn’t getting near the high ball????

And as we know from the Villa game, as soon as there is a hint that a player went down on purpose there is no chance he will get the decision.

Oh, hang on ...

[dsr]

No it's not, if we get a goal like that disallowed against any top 6 club we'd say it was top 6 bias and soft.
Striker stands his ground, Trafford is miles from the ball and flops like an OAP without Viagra.

I think this is the cause of disagreement. Bumba and most of the other vociferous minority who think it wasn't a foul, think it's no foul because Adebayo was standing still, holding his ground, unmoving. The majority who think it was a foul do so because they believe that Adebayo moved into Trafford's path.

If only VAR had some moving pictures so we could establish the truth ...

[Jakubclaret]

It was, in my opinion.

As Trafford is about to spring, the striker clearly impedes him by leaning his backside into him.

Looks pretty obvious to me and the vast majority of both this thread and the media.

Appreciate there are different opinions though.

The crucial point is - does the expectation exist that the Luton player can’t stand his ground & is obliged to move out of the way? No, what Trafford should have done is made of an attempt to claim the ball even if it meant clattering into the statuesque Luton player. The ref blows for a foul then & is more likely to side with trafford. It’s a clever move to block the Luton player doesn’t have to move or do anything.

[dsr]

The crucial point is - does the expectation exist that the Luton player can’t stand his ground & is obliged to move out of the way? No, what Trafford should have done is made of an attempt to claim the ball even if it meant clattering into the statuesque Luton player. The ref blows for a foul then & is more likely to side with trafford. It’s a clever move to block the Luton player doesn’t have to move or do anything.

Like I just said. The people who think it wasn't a foul are the people who think that Adebayo was standing stock still.

[Jakubclaret]

Like I just said. The people who think it wasn't a foul are the people who think that Adebayo was standing stock still.

It’s at what point when he was standing still, I haven’t done slow mo on freeze frame to properly analyse & assess like VAR did.

[dsr]

It’s at what point when he was standing still, I haven’t done slow mo on freeze frame to properly analyse & assess like VAR did.

Motion is best assessed in real time moving pictures. I don't think freeze frame of any kind is a good way to assess whether someone is moving.

[Jakubclaret]

Motion is best assessed in real time moving pictures. I don't think freeze frame of any kind is a good way to assess whether someone is moving.

You don’t but I’d say VAR use similar technology to what I described. VAR won’t make the decisions based on fast moving videos, they probably use a mixture & pauses & stills.

[Roosterbooster]

Striker stands his ground

Then moves

And deliberately obstructs

I'm not even sure how you argue your point without flinching. He moves away from the ball directly into Trafford. What else is he trying to achieve with that movement? Seriously.....,?

[Elbarad]

Then moves

And deliberately obstructs

I'm not even sure how you argue your point without flinching. He moves away from the ball directly into Trafford. What else is he trying to achieve with that movement? Seriously.....,?

It was a good boxout, in the basketball. As my school's coach used to tell me, put your butt on him and push him out of the way.

[bumba]

Then moves

And deliberately obstructs

I'm not even sure how you argue your point without flinching. He moves away from the ball directly into Trafford. What else is he trying to achieve with that movement? Seriously.....,?

He's allowed to move or even jump with the keeper, the keeper should come and take everything he makes a big error and cost us another 2 points

[bumba]

Interesting that Rob Edwards even said he'd be annoyed at the decision not being given for his team. There's no consistency. Did you watch the Everton goal? It's a far softer one and still disallowed
You clearly have a massive agenda against Trafford but fine, whatever makes you happy.

I'd also be annoyed if we had an equaliser disallowed for that and so would the whole of this board.
Striker doesn't foul him

[Ampth7]

Let’s not kid ourselves, VAR aside, Luton dominated us last night, and we were really poor. 62% possession for a hoof ball team away from home!!! Really?

[RVclaret]

Let’s not kid ourselves, VAR aside, Luton dominated us last night, and we were really poor. 62% possession for a hoof ball team away from home!!! Really?

Dominated? they played well for 30 minutes, aside from that we were in control and did enough to win, created by far the best chances and even then weren’t at our best (unsurprising missing our best midfielder and only natural left footer on the left).

[Ampth7]

Dominated? they played well for 30 minutes, aside from that we were in control and did enough to win, created by far the best chances and even then weren’t at our best (unsurprising missing our best midfielder and only natural left footer on the left).

Well, I guess this is down to a matter of opinion. Ours clearly don’t align, which is fine by the way.

[willsclarets]

I'd also be annoyed if we had an equaliser disallowed for that and so would the whole of this board.
Striker doesn't foul him

Your responses are so void of sense or any acknowledgement of counters it's pointless. I wouldn't be annoyed at all, I'd be disappointed but fully expect to have it disallowed.

[beddie]

I’ve said it numerous times our tallest defender should get behind the lad at the near post and muscle into him to stop him going anywhere near the keeper. Luton work on that and we simply don’t deal with it.

[willsclarets]

If anyone thinks this is simply standing your ground, I genuinely don't know how unless you have some sort of agenda https://twitter.com/lewisclarke797/stat ... 9ajZw&s=19

[Westleigh]

If anyone thinks this is simply standing your ground, I genuinely don't know how unless you have some sort of agenda https://twitter.com/lewisclarke797/stat ... 9ajZw&s=19

How is it that if some doesn’t agree with obviously claret and blue specs that they have an agenda ? What a stupid tag to put on someone ,it’s like being called the opposite of a happy clapper ,I prefer Muric but with about 10 mins to go said to the guy behind me how I thought Trafford had improved no end ,and then he made a pathetic attempt to get the ball.

[Robbie_painter]

How is it that if some doesn’t agree with obviously claret and blue specs that they have an agenda ? What a stupid tag to put on someone ,it’s like being called the opposite of a happy clapper ,I prefer Muric but with about 10 mins to go said to the guy behind me how I thought Trafford had improved no end ,and then he made a pathetic attempt to get the ball.

It’s literally on the post above yours for all to see,if you can’t see that adebayo has purposefully backed into Trafford to impede him you need to get yourself down to specsavers.

[Claretforever]

If we’d have still been playing until this morning we’d have still given Barkley all the time in the world to turn, put the ball onto his right foot and ping it out to their right sided number 7 who terrorised Dakil all night until Vitinho went out left. In fact, I’m not sure Dakil won a 50/50 header all night?

You could see after 7-8 minutes what their tactic was.