TRAFFORD

[ElectroClaret]

He had a really good solid game, dealt with everything and played out rapidly, not his fault VAR is corrupt.

How is it corrupt?
Are you saying they're on the take?

Oh yeah, giving decisions against little old Burnley
rather than big old Lut...oh, hang on a minute....

[StayingDown4Ever]

How is it corrupt?
Are you saying they're on the take?

Oh yeah, giving decisions against little old Burnley
rather than big old Lut...oh, hang on a minute....

Exactly. Embarrassing some of our fans.

[Stalbansclaret]

People can moan all they want on here about VAR and injustices but you know deep down it was just absolute pony from Trafford.

All those who were complaining about our tough run of home fixtures earlier in the season now upset because our weak keeper has cost us 2 points against a side they said we’d put to the sword when everything clicks into gear after Christmas….

Embarrassing.

I'm sorry but why do you appear to believe that one human being can pass through the body of another one who is deliberately moving into his path to block him? It's just an absolute stonewall piece of obstruction and your attempt to paint it as something else is the only thing that feels embarrassing tbh. Even the Blackburn fan presenting on Talksport tonight was saying how bad a decision it was but you bizarrely choose to believe it's Trafford's fault.

[Wokingclaret]

How is it corrupt?
Are you saying they're on the take?

Oh yeah, giving decisions against little old Burnley
rather than big old Lut...oh, hang on a minute....

No they back their mate up on the pitch and there lies the problem

[Robbie_painter]

I'm sorry but why do you appear to believe that one human being can pass through the body of another one who is deliberately moving into his path to block him? It's just an absolute stonewall piece of obstruction and your attempt to paint it as something else is the only thing that feels embarrassing tbh. Even the Blackburn fan presenting on Talksport tonight was saying how bad a decision it was but you bizarrely choose to believe it's Trafford's fault.

He’s a Blackburn fan on the wind up mate.Better off just ignoring him.

[dsr]

No Bumba its a foul under their rules, Goalkeepers are over protected and we've had many good disallowed goals for just blowing on them. Its a foul.

This isn't about protection for goalkeepers. If a forward is moving towards the ball and a defender, not trying to play the ball, moves into his path and blocks him, then it's a foul.

I wouldn't get too excited about the idea of Muric flattening Adebayo. Muric is two inches taller but (according to google) a stone and a half lighter than Adebayo. It's easy to get all blase and say that anyone can brush aside a 14 stone bloke who is standing in your way, but in practice, it isn't that easy.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Trafford runs into an attacker in front of him and crumbles like a morris minor against a HGV, am i missing something here.

He is nowhere near the ball so cant claim it as he has totally misjudged its flight.

Morris does a good leap and finish while trafford is strewn on the ground.

Just replay the video a few times its pretty conclusive.

[alwaysaclaret]

It's taken him 21 games to learn how to catch the ball as well as he has tonight, had he have done that from the start of the season we wouldn't be having this conversation tonight, because we'd be several points better off, can't afford to take half a season to get to the point he's at now in this league. Not just he's fault, but that's a separate argument.

[fungus_the_bogeyman]

He’s not even able to get any spring on his jump to be able to claim the ball…BECAUSE HE’S BEING FOULED! Absolutely clear as day. I can’t believe it’s even a debate.

[StayingDown4Ever]

He’s not even able to get any spring on his jump to be able to claim the ball…BECAUSE HE’S BEING FOULED! Absolutely clear as day. I can’t believe it’s even a debate.

Was he fouled for Everton’s first the other week or at Arsenal? Or can you just say the guy is hopeless at judging crosses and a little weakling?

[Nori1958]

If he hadn't embarrassed himself by time-wasting all game and eventually getting on the referees nerves he'd have probably got the foul, then we were in the hands of VAR who don't like going against the refs.

Lying down in his own area in the first half is just embarrassing!

He was doing what any half decent goalkeeper does every game. It's what Muric should have done last week.
The 5 minutes of added time was accounted for by all the subs, and two injuries, so he cannot have got on the refs nerves too much.

[Burnley1989]

You're absolutely not, you're a boring troll who just moans and moans. You've not got a single clue about the sport

You do genuinely get the impression there’s a handful on here that enjoy defeats because it gives them opportunity and attention on here that they’d otherwise not get in life. The way they literally post the same comments on every single thread

[Dyched]

It clearly wasn’t a foul. Why did both his legs buckle? He ran into him, realising he ****** up and wanted a “foul”. Paying almost a £1m per point he’s throwing away.

[Nori1958]

You do genuinely get the impression there’s a handful on here that enjoy defeats because it gives them opportunity and attention on here that they’d otherwise not get in life. The way they literally post the same comments on every single thread

Had that header hit the crossbar last night, and we'd have won, you wouldn't have seen those posters for days
As it is, it appears they were on here within minutes, infecting every thread with their anti Burnley,anti kompany and anti Trafford posts, most don't even make sense. One even sneaked onto national radio last night, but was soon sussed out by the presenter's as a rovers fan, and laughed off air. The saddening thing is that the prat probably posts on here

[bumba]

Had that header hit the crossbar last night, and we'd have won, you wouldn't have seen those posters for days
As it is, it appears they were on here within minutes, infecting every thread with their anti Burnley,anti kompany and anti Trafford posts, most don't even make sense. One even sneaked onto national radio last night, but was soon sussed out by the presenter's as a rovers fan, and laughed off air. The saddening thing is that the prat probably posts on here

Bit like the anti Muric brigade last week. Golden boy cocked up AGAIN, get over it

[Carlos the Great]

Trafford played well over the game but is clearly not strong enough commanding his space or crosses from high balls ,, he has made a hash of this and it’s cost us dear ,, Muric is not perfect but I’m more confident with him in goal

[Grimsdale]

You do genuinely get the impression there’s a handful on here that enjoy defeats because it gives them opportunity and attention on here that they’d otherwise not get in life. The way they literally post the same comments on every single thread

Interesting that every single one of these negative Nellies who criticise everything about the club from the owner to the manager to the players are all in agreement that it wasn't a foul and that Trafford was at fault. I'm sure that if we'd scored such a goal in the dying minutes they would have been harping on how it was a foul and that we've had to resort to cheating to get a result.

[CoolClaret]

I think it was a foul but I want my goalkeeper to really go for that and not shirk out, I think he looked for a foul.

Would have taken a clattering but that's what he's paid for.

[Nori1958]

Bit like the anti Muric brigade last week. Golden boy cocked up AGAIN, get over it

I think the person posting post after post after post about it last night is the one who needs to get over it....I think the only gap in your anti Trafford posts last night was the time the idiot was on national radio, spouting almost word for word the rubbish you put on here

[Robbie_painter]

I think the person posting post after post after post about it last night is the one who needs to get over it....I think the only gap in your anti Trafford posts last night was the time the idiot was on national radio, spouting almost word for word the rubbish you put on here

Find it a bit weird how obsessed with it he is,post after post thread after thread he’s absolutely been consumed by his hatred of a young goalkeeper that plays for the team he claims to support.Very odd behaviour.

[Terry Cochrane]

I'm sorry but why do you appear to believe that one human being can pass through the body of another one who is deliberately moving into his path to block him? It's just an absolute stonewall piece of obstruction and your attempt to paint it as something else is the only thing that feels embarrassing tbh. Even the Blackburn fan presenting on Talksport tonight was saying how bad a decision it was but you bizarrely choose to believe it's Trafford's fault.

Happen to agree it was a foul sure but corrupt? There are enough saying that the goalkeeper was weak coming to get the ball to say it wasn't a "stonewall" foul. Not enough to cry "corrupt" anyway

[bumba]

I think the person posting post after post after post about it last night is the one who needs to get over it....I think the only gap in your anti Trafford posts last night was the time the idiot was on national radio, spouting almost word for word the rubbish you put on here

I couldn't go on the radio with the language I'd use to describe his displays.
I am over it I just like the laugh now after all the Trafford fan boys are eating humble pie.

[Paddy1882]

Not seen anyone mention it but after getting over the disappointment of conceding so late one of my first thoughts was who’s covering their keeper on the line? They had 2 players being marked by Ekdal and AAD and that’s it, Vitinho and Dara stood on the 6 yard box doing nothing, basics of defending again, always expect your mate to miss it and cover, the moment Trafford started to come one of them (probably more Vitinho as he could see the whole picture) should do the basics and get back covering the line, he does that it’s an easy clearance. Just do the basics please lads!!

[123EasyasBFC]

Not seen anyone mention it but after getting over the disappointment of conceding so late one of my first thoughts was who’s covering their keeper on the line? They had 2 players being marked by Ekdal and AAD and that’s it, Vitinho and Dara stood on the 6 yard box doing nothing, basics of defending again, always expect your mate to miss it and cover, the moment Trafford started to come one of them (probably more Vitinho as he could see the whole picture) should do the basics and get back covering the line, he does that it’s an easy clearance. Just do the basics please lads!!

Why would anyone be on the line? The cross came out wide they are all in a line for potential offside, even Usain Bolt wouldn’t get back to the goal line in time after seeing Trafford charge out. I think that’s very harsh on a defence that pretty much dealt with everything all night

[dandeclaret]

Not taken by Trafford at all. He’s a flapper, and he’s got very limited spring / athleticism.

But….. the goal was a foul as clear as day.

[Paddy1882]

Why would anyone be on the line? The cross came out wide they are all in a line for potential offside, even Usain Bolt wouldn’t get back to the goal line in time after seeing Trafford charge out. I think that’s very harsh on a defence that pretty much dealt with everything all night

Obviously they wouldn’t be stood on the line before the ball is played but soon as the cross comes in there’s only 2 lads marking, the rest doing nothing, when the keeper starts to come at least one has to drop back onto the line to cover him, it’s just basics.

[123EasyasBFC]

Obviously they wouldn’t be stood on the line before the ball is played but soon as the cross comes in there’s only 2 lads marking, the rest doing nothing, when the keeper starts to come at least one has to drop back onto the line to cover him, it’s just basics.

I think if you watch that it’s very harsh to suggest one of the defenders should be on the line with the speed of all happens

[StayingDown4Ever]

I couldn't go on the radio with the language I'd use to describe his displays.
I am over it I just like the laugh now after all the Trafford fan boys are eating humble pie.

They eat more pie than Desperate Dan.

[Paddy1882]

I think if you watch that it’s very harsh to suggest one of the defenders should be on the line with the speed of all happens

I have watched multiple times, their lad steps 2 yards to make the foul while the balls in the air so one of ours who is spare can’t step an extra 4 yards or even at least attempt to make it back and potentially hook it away? Or does he just stand like Vitinho hands by his side and watch it loop in. Your in a dog fight at least attempt it, he may have missed it but at least make an attempt then.

[123EasyasBFC]

I have watched multiple times, their lad steps 2 yards to make the foul while the balls in the air so one of ours who is spare can’t step an extra 4 yards or even at least attempt to make it back and potentially hook it away? Or does he just stand like Vitinho hands by his side and watch it loop in. Your in a dog fight at least attempt it, he may have missed it but at least make an attempt then.

I think you are being very harsh on the defence there

[boatshed bill]

Ekdal and El Dhakil dont exactly cover themselves in glory for the goal either...

If the keeper calls and is coming for the cross they don't jump.

[Paddy1882]

I think you are being very harsh on the defence there

I thought the defence for the most part were good however in that situation one of the spares should have covered, Mee especially but also Tarky, Taylor and Lowton made so many goal line clearances over the years because they did it, and that’s just Burnley you see defenders clearing off the line most weeks up and down the leagues because it’s a basic.

[123EasyasBFC]

I thought the defence for the most part were good however in that situation one of the spares should have covered, Mee especially but also Tarky, Taylor and Lowton made so many goal line clearances over the years because they did it, and that’s just Burnley you see defenders clearing off the line most weeks up and down the leagues because it’s a basic.

I don’t think any defender goes back on the line at that point, if your keeper shouts keepers you are expecting them to catch it or punch it

[Paddy1882]

I don’t think any defender goes back on the line at that point, if your keeper shouts keepers you are expecting them to catch it or punch it

Part of defending is expecting your mate to miss it and mop up if they do, whether they shout or not, hence why full backs cover round on the centre half etc, that’s just a basic of defending.

[Claretrew]

Thought it was one of his better games. He is getting better every game but still don't think he commands the box as well as Muric and his distribution isn't as good. Definitely fouled.

[Elizabeth]

Trafford had his best game last night in dominating inside and outside his box. He should have been protected by the officials on the goal.

[boatshed bill]

As I see our luck going:
Had Trafford been strong enough to and had cleaned out the forward it would probably have been given as a foul and a penalty.

[JimmyRobbo]

Exactly. Embarrassing some of our fans.

Some of our fans are indeed embarrassing. We have an excellent keeper who is growing at a rapid rate and will turn into a world class goalkeeper. He is probably now better than his understudy yet some idiots still think the thing to do with talent is criticise and deride it mercilessly.

VAR is indeed corrupt. All the empirical evidence shows that the decisions go in favour of the big clubs. No way that goal stands against the big clubs. You have to have a warped persepective not to see that.

[bfcjg]

How is it corrupt?
Are you saying they're on the take?

Oh yeah, giving decisions against little old Burnley
rather than big old Lut...oh, hang on a minute....

Of course it's corrupt, the pundits compared it to an identical incident in another game and a foul is given.
They are not on the take but get a perverse kick out of punishing certain clubs.

[Goliath]

Some of our fans are indeed embarrassing. We have an excellent keeper who is growing at a rapid rate and will turn into a world class goalkeeper. He is probably now better than his understudy yet some idiots still think the thing to do with talent is criticise and deride it mercilessly.

VAR is indeed corrupt. All the empirical evidence shows that the decisions go in favour of the big clubs. No way that goal stands against the big clubs. You have to have a warped persepective not to see that.

Where do you get that he will turn into a world class keeper? A decent premier league keeper maybe but he there are no attributes that show him to be potebtially world class.

Distribution - average to poor
Claiming crosses - Poor
Shot stopping - pretty good but not ground breaking

Im not part of the Muric fan club but he has much more potential to become world class than Trafford, although i wouldnt hang my hat on either.

[Dyched]

[quote=JimmyRobbo post_id=2257351 time=<a href="tel:1705142840">1705142840</a> user_id=1242]
Some of our fans are indeed embarrassing. We have an excellent keeper who is growing at a rapid rate and will turn into a world class goalkeeper. He is probably now better than his understudy yet some idiots still think the thing to do with talent is criticise and deride it mercilessly.

VAR is indeed corrupt. All the empirical evidence shows that the decisions go in favour of the big clubs. No way that goal stands against the big clubs. You have to have a warped persepective not to see that.

Where do you get that he will turn into a world class keeper? A decent premier league keeper maybe but he there are no attributes that show him to be potebtially world class.

Distribution - average to poor
Claiming crosses - Poor
Shot stopping - pretty good but not ground breaking

Im not part of the Muric fan club but he has much more potential to become world class than Trafford, although i wouldnt hang my hat on either.
[/quote]

Because if his age.

Football is about stats and the most important nowadays is age. No matter how crap, ah he’s 12 he’s got potential, lets play him.

[JimmyRobbo]

Why world class? Well, he was the U21 England keeper that won the Euros.

Who have you seen at his age who is better?

[Goliath]

Where do you get that he will turn into a world class keeper? A decent premier league keeper maybe but he there are no attributes that show him to be potebtially world class.

Distribution - average to poor
Claiming crosses - Poor
Shot stopping - pretty good but not ground breaking

Im not part of the Muric fan club but he has much more potential to become world class than Trafford, although i wouldnt hang my hat on either.

Because if his age.

Football is about stats and the most important nowadays is age. No matter how crap, ah he’s 12 he’s got potential, lets play him.
[/quote]

Spot on. People even use Vitinhos age as if it excuses downright incompetence at this level and think once he hits a certain age he will suddenly become a good defender. Its a nonsense.
Players become an improved and more refined version of themselves but they dont usually suddenly grow completely new attributes to become world class.

[boyyanno]

To be fair to Trafford I thought he had a better game yesterday in terms of claiming balls and looking to deal with the aerial threat.

I do think he makes a mistake at the end though- but I do think he should have got away with it because he was also fouled. It looked to me like he'd misjudged the flight of the ball and he wasn't going to make it, but like I say I think he was impeded by the player anyway.

[alwaysaclaret]

Some of our fans are indeed embarrassing. We have an excellent keeper who is growing at a rapid rate and will turn into a world class goalkeeper. He is probably now better than his understudy yet some idiots still think the thing to do with talent is criticise and deride it mercilessly.

VAR is indeed corrupt. All the empirical evidence shows that the decisions go in favour of the big clubs. No way that goal stands against the big clubs. You have to have a warped persepective not to see that.

Although I have to admit there has been some improvement, he's still light years away from being fit for the Premier league imo, it's not just shot stopping that makes a goalkeeper, in any league let alone the Premier league. Throughout the season I've analysed all aspects of he's game and he's weak in all of them. I'd love to say different, we all want top players for our club, but signing this lad is an absolute huge mistake imo because he will never ever be England no1 as some are saying. As I say there is some improvement, but it's taken him 21 games to learn how to catch a ball, he's decision making is poor and in terms of commanding he's area which the overall majority of fans are crying out for him to do, then on the one occasion he should stay on he's line last night he chooses not to and fluffs it "agree it's a foul" but shouldn't even be out there in the first place, vk had given us a back five to protect the 1-0 so let the defenders do their job, had he stayed where he should have he saves it. I watched he's kicking last night, which was better I agree but he's body shape looks like an exert from Swan lake, but we're 21 games in, can't afford to be learning basics for that long at this level, and will be a big reason why we're relegated I predict sometime late Feb or early March. However can't put the blame on the lad, blame is on vk.

[JimmyRobbo]

Why is age important? Are you just trolling? You really do need to cast better.

Players improve upto their optimum point. Physically, technically and intangibly all improve and then deteriorate after the peak. Capital measures follow accordingly.

Honestly! This messageboard, at times!

[alwaysaclaret]

Why world class? Well, he was the U21 England keeper that won the Euros.

Who have you seen at his age who is better?

Are we talking premier league or elsewhere, because I absolutely doubt any other Premier league manager would throw a 21 year old rookie goalkeeper with league one experience and expert him to do a job, yes England U21, but that's a whole different ball game. Boy's and men springs to mind

[alwaysaclaret]

Why is age important? Are you just trolling? You really do need to cast better.

Players improve upto their optimum point. Physically, technically and intangibly all improve and then deteriorate after the peak. Capital measures follow accordingly.

Honestly! This messageboard, at times!

No troll. I'm 65 and supported my team since I was 7 and taken on to 2-2 draw v arsenal with my grandad in 1965, probably before then but that's my earliest real memory.
Just giving my opinions

[SalisburyClaret]

Are we talking premier league or elsewhere, because I absolutely doubt any other Premier league manager would throw a 21 year old rookie goalkeeper with league one experience and expert him to do a job, yes England U21, but that's a whole different ball game. Boy's and men springs to mind

An obvious example is the current manager of Argentina saw fit to play Meslier.
Trafford is on a different level and away from this board most observers see him as one of our best players and the reason why we are still in contention- just about

Age is irrelevant- as certain darts players have shown

[JimmyRobbo]

Are we talking premier league or elsewhere, because I absolutely doubt any other Premier league manager would throw a 21 year old rookie goalkeeper with league one experience and expert him to do a job, yes England U21, but that's a whole different ball game. Boy's and men springs to mind

Eh?

Name me a keeper you have watched at his age who is better. I honestly can't name one.

I favoured Muric in pre-season. I'm now onboard with JT as our keeper. It is clear to see his improvement. His growrh will contnue. You have to be stubborn to the nth degree not to see it.