How is it corrupt?
Are you saying they're on the take?
Oh yeah, giving decisions against little old Burnley
rather than big old Lut...oh, hang on a minute....
How is it corrupt?
Exactly. Embarrassing some of our fans.ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:56 pmHow is it corrupt?
Are you saying they're on the take?
Oh yeah, giving decisions against little old Burnley
rather than big old Lut...oh, hang on a minute....
I'm sorry but why do you appear to believe that one human being can pass through the body of another one who is deliberately moving into his path to block him? It's just an absolute stonewall piece of obstruction and your attempt to paint it as something else is the only thing that feels embarrassing tbh. Even the Blackburn fan presenting on Talksport tonight was saying how bad a decision it was but you bizarrely choose to believe it's Trafford's fault.StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:31 pmPeople can moan all they want on here about VAR and injustices but you know deep down it was just absolute pony from Trafford.
All those who were complaining about our tough run of home fixtures earlier in the season now upset because our weak keeper has cost us 2 points against a side they said we’d put to the sword when everything clicks into gear after Christmas….
Embarrassing.
No they back their mate up on the pitch and there lies the problemElectroClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:56 pmHow is it corrupt?
Are you saying they're on the take?
Oh yeah, giving decisions against little old Burnley
rather than big old Lut...oh, hang on a minute....
He’s a Blackburn fan on the wind up mate.Better off just ignoring him.Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:03 amI'm sorry but why do you appear to believe that one human being can pass through the body of another one who is deliberately moving into his path to block him? It's just an absolute stonewall piece of obstruction and your attempt to paint it as something else is the only thing that feels embarrassing tbh. Even the Blackburn fan presenting on Talksport tonight was saying how bad a decision it was but you bizarrely choose to believe it's Trafford's fault.
This isn't about protection for goalkeepers. If a forward is moving towards the ball and a defender, not trying to play the ball, moves into his path and blocks him, then it's a foul.Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:03 pmNo Bumba its a foul under their rules, Goalkeepers are over protected and we've had many good disallowed goals for just blowing on them. Its a foul.
Was he fouled for Everton’s first the other week or at Arsenal? Or can you just say the guy is hopeless at judging crosses and a little weakling?fungus_the_bogeyman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:24 amHe’s not even able to get any spring on his jump to be able to claim the ball…BECAUSE HE’S BEING FOULED! Absolutely clear as day. I can’t believe it’s even a debate.
He was doing what any half decent goalkeeper does every game. It's what Muric should have done last week.Little_britton wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:46 pmIf he hadn't embarrassed himself by time-wasting all game and eventually getting on the referees nerves he'd have probably got the foul, then we were in the hands of VAR who don't like going against the refs.
Lying down in his own area in the first half is just embarrassing!
You do genuinely get the impression there’s a handful on here that enjoy defeats because it gives them opportunity and attention on here that they’d otherwise not get in life. The way they literally post the same comments on every single thread
Had that header hit the crossbar last night, and we'd have won, you wouldn't have seen those posters for daysBurnley1989 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:28 amYou do genuinely get the impression there’s a handful on here that enjoy defeats because it gives them opportunity and attention on here that they’d otherwise not get in life. The way they literally post the same comments on every single thread
Bit like the anti Muric brigade last week. Golden boy cocked up AGAIN, get over itNori1958 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:17 amHad that header hit the crossbar last night, and we'd have won, you wouldn't have seen those posters for days
As it is, it appears they were on here within minutes, infecting every thread with their anti Burnley,anti kompany and anti Trafford posts, most don't even make sense. One even sneaked onto national radio last night, but was soon sussed out by the presenter's as a rovers fan, and laughed off air. The saddening thing is that the prat probably posts on here
Interesting that every single one of these negative Nellies who criticise everything about the club from the owner to the manager to the players are all in agreement that it wasn't a foul and that Trafford was at fault. I'm sure that if we'd scored such a goal in the dying minutes they would have been harping on how it was a foul and that we've had to resort to cheating to get a result.Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:28 amYou do genuinely get the impression there’s a handful on here that enjoy defeats because it gives them opportunity and attention on here that they’d otherwise not get in life. The way they literally post the same comments on every single thread
I think the person posting post after post after post about it last night is the one who needs to get over it....I think the only gap in your anti Trafford posts last night was the time the idiot was on national radio, spouting almost word for word the rubbish you put on here
Find it a bit weird how obsessed with it he is,post after post thread after thread he’s absolutely been consumed by his hatred of a young goalkeeper that plays for the team he claims to support.Very odd behaviour.Nori1958 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:03 amI think the person posting post after post after post about it last night is the one who needs to get over it....I think the only gap in your anti Trafford posts last night was the time the idiot was on national radio, spouting almost word for word the rubbish you put on here
Happen to agree it was a foul sure but corrupt? There are enough saying that the goalkeeper was weak coming to get the ball to say it wasn't a "stonewall" foul. Not enough to cry "corrupt" anywayStalbansclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:03 amI'm sorry but why do you appear to believe that one human being can pass through the body of another one who is deliberately moving into his path to block him? It's just an absolute stonewall piece of obstruction and your attempt to paint it as something else is the only thing that feels embarrassing tbh. Even the Blackburn fan presenting on Talksport tonight was saying how bad a decision it was but you bizarrely choose to believe it's Trafford's fault.
I couldn't go on the radio with the language I'd use to describe his displays.Nori1958 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:03 amI think the person posting post after post after post about it last night is the one who needs to get over it....I think the only gap in your anti Trafford posts last night was the time the idiot was on national radio, spouting almost word for word the rubbish you put on here
Why would anyone be on the line? The cross came out wide they are all in a line for potential offside, even Usain Bolt wouldn’t get back to the goal line in time after seeing Trafford charge out. I think that’s very harsh on a defence that pretty much dealt with everything all nightPaddy1882 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:34 amNot seen anyone mention it but after getting over the disappointment of conceding so late one of my first thoughts was who’s covering their keeper on the line? They had 2 players being marked by Ekdal and AAD and that’s it, Vitinho and Dara stood on the 6 yard box doing nothing, basics of defending again, always expect your mate to miss it and cover, the moment Trafford started to come one of them (probably more Vitinho as he could see the whole picture) should do the basics and get back covering the line, he does that it’s an easy clearance. Just do the basics please lads!!
Obviously they wouldn’t be stood on the line before the ball is played but soon as the cross comes in there’s only 2 lads marking, the rest doing nothing, when the keeper starts to come at least one has to drop back onto the line to cover him, it’s just basics.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:39 amWhy would anyone be on the line? The cross came out wide they are all in a line for potential offside, even Usain Bolt wouldn’t get back to the goal line in time after seeing Trafford charge out. I think that’s very harsh on a defence that pretty much dealt with everything all night
I think if you watch that it’s very harsh to suggest one of the defenders should be on the line with the speed of all happensPaddy1882 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:48 amObviously they wouldn’t be stood on the line before the ball is played but soon as the cross comes in there’s only 2 lads marking, the rest doing nothing, when the keeper starts to come at least one has to drop back onto the line to cover him, it’s just basics.
I have watched multiple times, their lad steps 2 yards to make the foul while the balls in the air so one of ours who is spare can’t step an extra 4 yards or even at least attempt to make it back and potentially hook it away? Or does he just stand like Vitinho hands by his side and watch it loop in. Your in a dog fight at least attempt it, he may have missed it but at least make an attempt then.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:51 amI think if you watch that it’s very harsh to suggest one of the defenders should be on the line with the speed of all happens
I think you are being very harsh on the defence therePaddy1882 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:59 amI have watched multiple times, their lad steps 2 yards to make the foul while the balls in the air so one of ours who is spare can’t step an extra 4 yards or even at least attempt to make it back and potentially hook it away? Or does he just stand like Vitinho hands by his side and watch it loop in. Your in a dog fight at least attempt it, he may have missed it but at least make an attempt then.
randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:13 pmEkdal and El Dhakil dont exactly cover themselves in glory for the goal either...
I thought the defence for the most part were good however in that situation one of the spares should have covered, Mee especially but also Tarky, Taylor and Lowton made so many goal line clearances over the years because they did it, and that’s just Burnley you see defenders clearing off the line most weeks up and down the leagues because it’s a basic.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:02 amI think you are being very harsh on the defence there
I don’t think any defender goes back on the line at that point, if your keeper shouts keepers you are expecting them to catch it or punch itPaddy1882 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:17 amI thought the defence for the most part were good however in that situation one of the spares should have covered, Mee especially but also Tarky, Taylor and Lowton made so many goal line clearances over the years because they did it, and that’s just Burnley you see defenders clearing off the line most weeks up and down the leagues because it’s a basic.
Part of defending is expecting your mate to miss it and mop up if they do, whether they shout or not, hence why full backs cover round on the centre half etc, that’s just a basic of defending.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:18 amI don’t think any defender goes back on the line at that point, if your keeper shouts keepers you are expecting them to catch it or punch it
Some of our fans are indeed embarrassing. We have an excellent keeper who is growing at a rapid rate and will turn into a world class goalkeeper. He is probably now better than his understudy yet some idiots still think the thing to do with talent is criticise and deride it mercilessly.
Of course it's corrupt, the pundits compared it to an identical incident in another game and a foul is given.ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 11:56 pmHow is it corrupt?
Are you saying they're on the take?
Oh yeah, giving decisions against little old Burnley
rather than big old Lut...oh, hang on a minute....
Where do you get that he will turn into a world class keeper? A decent premier league keeper maybe but he there are no attributes that show him to be potebtially world class.JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:47 amSome of our fans are indeed embarrassing. We have an excellent keeper who is growing at a rapid rate and will turn into a world class goalkeeper. He is probably now better than his understudy yet some idiots still think the thing to do with talent is criticise and deride it mercilessly.
VAR is indeed corrupt. All the empirical evidence shows that the decisions go in favour of the big clubs. No way that goal stands against the big clubs. You have to have a warped persepective not to see that.
Where do you get that he will turn into a world class keeper? A decent premier league keeper maybe but he there are no attributes that show him to be potebtially world class.Goliath wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:59 am[quote=JimmyRobbo post_id=2257351 time=<a href="tel:1705142840">1705142840</a> user_id=1242]
Some of our fans are indeed embarrassing. We have an excellent keeper who is growing at a rapid rate and will turn into a world class goalkeeper. He is probably now better than his understudy yet some idiots still think the thing to do with talent is criticise and deride it mercilessly.
VAR is indeed corrupt. All the empirical evidence shows that the decisions go in favour of the big clubs. No way that goal stands against the big clubs. You have to have a warped persepective not to see that.
Because if his age.Dyched wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:03 amWhere do you get that he will turn into a world class keeper? A decent premier league keeper maybe but he there are no attributes that show him to be potebtially world class.
Distribution - average to poor
Claiming crosses - Poor
Shot stopping - pretty good but not ground breaking
Im not part of the Muric fan club but he has much more potential to become world class than Trafford, although i wouldnt hang my hat on either.
Although I have to admit there has been some improvement, he's still light years away from being fit for the Premier league imo, it's not just shot stopping that makes a goalkeeper, in any league let alone the Premier league. Throughout the season I've analysed all aspects of he's game and he's weak in all of them. I'd love to say different, we all want top players for our club, but signing this lad is an absolute huge mistake imo because he will never ever be England no1 as some are saying. As I say there is some improvement, but it's taken him 21 games to learn how to catch a ball, he's decision making is poor and in terms of commanding he's area which the overall majority of fans are crying out for him to do, then on the one occasion he should stay on he's line last night he chooses not to and fluffs it "agree it's a foul" but shouldn't even be out there in the first place, vk had given us a back five to protect the 1-0 so let the defenders do their job, had he stayed where he should have he saves it. I watched he's kicking last night, which was better I agree but he's body shape looks like an exert from Swan lake, but we're 21 games in, can't afford to be learning basics for that long at this level, and will be a big reason why we're relegated I predict sometime late Feb or early March. However can't put the blame on the lad, blame is on vk.JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:47 amSome of our fans are indeed embarrassing. We have an excellent keeper who is growing at a rapid rate and will turn into a world class goalkeeper. He is probably now better than his understudy yet some idiots still think the thing to do with talent is criticise and deride it mercilessly.
VAR is indeed corrupt. All the empirical evidence shows that the decisions go in favour of the big clubs. No way that goal stands against the big clubs. You have to have a warped persepective not to see that.
Are we talking premier league or elsewhere, because I absolutely doubt any other Premier league manager would throw a 21 year old rookie goalkeeper with league one experience and expert him to do a job, yes England U21, but that's a whole different ball game. Boy's and men springs to mindJimmyRobbo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:18 amWhy world class? Well, he was the U21 England keeper that won the Euros.
Who have you seen at his age who is better?
No troll. I'm 65 and supported my team since I was 7 and taken on to 2-2 draw v arsenal with my grandad in 1965, probably before then but that's my earliest real memory.JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:25 amWhy is age important? Are you just trolling? You really do need to cast better.
Players improve upto their optimum point. Physically, technically and intangibly all improve and then deteriorate after the peak. Capital measures follow accordingly.
Honestly! This messageboard, at times!
An obvious example is the current manager of Argentina saw fit to play Meslier.alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:33 amAre we talking premier league or elsewhere, because I absolutely doubt any other Premier league manager would throw a 21 year old rookie goalkeeper with league one experience and expert him to do a job, yes England U21, but that's a whole different ball game. Boy's and men springs to mind
Eh?alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:33 amAre we talking premier league or elsewhere, because I absolutely doubt any other Premier league manager would throw a 21 year old rookie goalkeeper with league one experience and expert him to do a job, yes England U21, but that's a whole different ball game. Boy's and men springs to mind