TRAFFORD

[alwaysaclaret]

An obvious example is the current manager of Argentina saw fit to play Meslier.
Trafford is on a different level and away from this board most observers see him as one of our best players and the reason why we are still in contention- just about

Age is irrelevant- as certain darts players have shown

People away from this board don't watch him week in week out, making the same mistakes.

[aggi]

For those who are unsure what a foul on the keeper looks like this was given in another match last night.
https://twitter.com/hullcitystats/statu ... HaZHTCZYJA

[CoolClaret]

Why world class? Well, he was the U21 England keeper that won the Euros.

Who have you seen at his age who is better?

Jack Butland got similar hype at a similar age and I think he was better - didn't quite reach the levels expected.

[alwaysaclaret]

Eh?

Name me a keeper you have watched at his age who is better. I honestly can't name one.

I favoured Muric in pre-season. I'm now onboard with JT as our keeper. It is clear to see his improvement. His growrh will contnue. You have to be stubborn to the nth degree not to see it.

I've acknowledged he's improvement, but I've also pointed out that a keeper can't be taking 21 games to learn a basic skill that obviously wasn't there in the first place in this league. And I've also said it's on vk.

[basil6345789]

In summary
Trafford played well overall
Made a mistake coming for ball - it was one for his defenders
Was fouled
A draw was the right result but should've held on for win having got to where we were

[FCBurnley]

Don’t bring Tresor on for Odobert and we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The 2 subs took away our attacking threat and handed the game to Luton. Massive mistake by VK and not for the first time. Having said that Trafford screws up again as he normally does. Every team we play go with a high press and pile crosses in to the big men.
The equalizer last night was the final straw for Trafford VK and Pace in this season horriblis

[Vincent'sCap]

Our support really should ease of Trafford,he was excellent last night and a foul on him leading to the equaliser has made him the scapegoat again,10 other players where out there on that field last night are they all totally blameless,really is shocking the amount of abuse that young lad takes on here.

[alwaysaclaret]

Don’t bring Tresor on for Odobert and we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The 2 subs took away our attacking threat and handed the game to Luton. Massive mistake by VK and not for the first time. Having said that Trafford screws up again as he normally does. Every team we play go with a high press and pile crosses in to the big men.
The equalizer last night was the final straw for Trafford VK and Pace in this season horriblis

I've said exactly the same, subs should have been zaroury and Benson, not larsen and tresor, I did think for 2 or 3 games larsen may have given us something, since then he's simply flattered to deceive, tresor is another in the ramsay camp, given nothing since he walked through the door. Zaroury and Benson double sub last night would have lifted the whole stadium and continued to keep Luton where they were which was in their own half, yet another poor performance from vk.

[Shaggy]

Our support really should ease of Trafford,he was excellent last night and a foul on him leading to the equaliser has made him the scapegoat again,10 other players where out there on that field last night are they all totally blameless,really is shocking the amount of abuse that young lad takes on here.

He flatters to deceive. He didn’t really do much last night. Made a Hollywood save which was comfortable, claimed a few crosses ( equally missed a few aswell )

The main gripe people have with trafford is the rip off fee we paid for him, and the fact that he starts regardless.

He’s not ready for premier league football, he’s too weak and inconsistent. He’s an academy level player.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

He flatters to deceive. He didn’t really do much last night. Made a Hollywood save which was comfortable, claimed a few crosses ( equally missed a few aswell )

The main gripe people have with trafford is the rip off fee we paid for him, and the fact that he starts regardless.

He’s not ready for premier league football, he’s too weak and inconsistent. He’s an academy level player.

It’s strange last week it was Murics’ fault for conceding a world class strike when Amdouni clearly loses the ball.

This week var is corrupt because Trafford ran into a forward no where near the ball ( crosses are his major weakness) and crumpled on the ground looking for a foul.

Its like their paid shills or something.

Very very odd.

Lost us two points in his naivety.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I've said exactly the same, subs should have been zaroury and Benson, not larsen and tresor, I did think for 2 or 3 games larsen may have given us something, since then he's simply flattered to deceive, tresor is another in the ramsay camp, given nothing since he walked through the door. Zaroury and Benson double sub last night would have lifted the whole stadium and continued to keep Luton where they were which was in their own half, yet another poor performance from vk.

This is a manager that brings Tresor on to shore things up against Luton. School boy errors again and again.

[Nori1958]

This is a manager that brings Tresor on to shore things up against Luton. School boy errors again and again.

Just turn the telly off if you're not enjoying the game

[SalisburyClaret]

People away from this board don't watch him week in week out, making the same mistakes.

It’s the most watched league in the world - you’d think someone would spot these ‘same mistakes’ - whatever they are

[CJA]

When we signed Trafford I was pleased , He was over priced probably but with tremendous potential and will make a world class goalkeeper one day probably. However I expected us to send him out on loan to a championship team to continue learning I did not for a moment expect him to be No1 keeper in the premier league. The PM is not the place for Trafford to learn his trade it is so intense every week that we risk his development and may end up with a complete dud. I expected Muric to be first choice if VK did not rate him then we should have bought an experienced keeper and sold Muric when his stock was high ( Now we will get very little for him) instead we bought a div2 goalkeeper as back up who has barely made the bench this year and kept Muric as a bench warmer whilst playing a raw recruit in the most difficult league in the world. I don't criticise Trafford for any of his mistakes , he is not the one to blame: It just makes no sense.

[Belgianclaret]

Our support really should ease of Trafford,he was excellent last night and a foul on him leading to the equaliser has made him the scapegoat again,10 other players where out there on that field last night are they all totally blameless,really is shocking the amount of abuse that young lad takes on here.

Look, I’m a fan of Muric and think he should have been given a chance earlier this season.

But yesterday we saw Trafford come off his line several times to claim the ball, so for me he played really well.
The goal conceded was maybe not the right decision to come off his line, but it was a clear foul on him so the goal should never have stood.

[alwaysaclaret]

Just turn the telly off if you're not enjoying the game

Been very hard to watch a lot of the time this season, but I watch live, and the main thing, I'm still there, cos have to take the bad times as well, although as I say been hard this season.

[Nori1958]

Been very hard to watch a lot of the time this season, but I watch live, and the main thing, I'm still there, cos have to take the bad times as well, although as I say been hard this season.

It was aimed at the specific poster I was replying to.... Not in general

[Rileybobs]

A couple of weeks ago some people disagreed when I said there were people on here willing Trafford to fail. Well the evidence is pretty clear again here, the same 5 or 6 posters who write and behave like small children.

A flawless performance from Trafford last night until the 92nd minute where he made a poor decision to come for the cross. He should have got away with it though as he was quite obviously fouled and how the goal was allowed to stand is beyond me.

[123EasyasBFC]

A couple of weeks ago some people disagreed when I said there were people on here willing Trafford to fail. Well the evidence is pretty clear again here, the same 5 or 6 posters who write and behave like small children.

A flawless performance from Trafford last night until the 92nd minute where he made a poor decision to come for the cross. He should have got away with it though as he was quite obviously fouled and how the goal was allowed to stand is beyond me.

I agree with what you are saying but I would say almost flawless performance because of the poor decision to come for the cross, other than that didn’t put a foot wrong

[AlargeClaret]

The foul wasn’t given as Trafford was nowhere near the ball whatsoever , neither did the player jump , push, raise arms /elbows etc . If this was 2 outfield players going for the ball that wouldn’t have been a foul ( a minor push into the body of an oncoming player )

While this would usually be given , Trafford didn’t help himself by throwing himself to the ground at first contact .Apart from that JT was very clean and tidy and distributed well .

[alwaysaclaret]

It was aimed at the specific poster I was replying to.... Not in general

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It's a 50/50 for me. If the ref gives the foul VAR wouldn't have overturned it but for me there wasn't enough in it to overturn the goal either. It's a shame really because Trafford had been excellent to that point, but for me it's a keeper error and he's simply not getting to the ball after he's come tearing out of his goal. I played centre half for 99% of my time as a player and I would have been asking the keeper what he thought he was doing if I'm being totally honest. If he keeps his head their he probably stays on his line and lets the defenders mop it up

[Jamesy]

Trafford played well last night up to the goal. Unfortunately he is out muscled too easily. Having said that, if it had been Allison at Liverpool or Ederson at City the goal would probably have been chalked off by VAR.
I have seen Vincent’s comments regarding the goal and other VAR decisions that we have been on the wrong end of and it’s difficult to disagree with him.
Next week this could happen to another keeper and VAR will rule it as a foul. Here lays the problem. VAR is a lottery and is ruining the game because of the lack of consistency by the utter muppets who are paid to operate it.

[Culmclaret]

I want Trafford to succeed and he will at some point when he is stronger. It is the people responsible for overpaying for him and consistently selecting him when he is not ready for this level of football whom I blame

[forzagranata]

We sold Nick Pope for 13 million and signed James Trafford for 20 million.

[Westleigh]

Eh?

Name me a keeper you have watched at his age who is better. I honestly can't name one.

I favoured Muric in pre-season. I'm now onboard with JT as our keeper. It is clear to see his improvement. His growrh will contnue. You have to be stubborn to the nth degree not to see it.

Butland and one or two others were brilliant for the under 21’s but never improved and he was playing when the game was more physical ,I was a Trafford sceptic but he has improved a great deal in the last few games ,but if a striker had gone down like he did against us we’d give him some real stick ,the half hearted attempt to get the ball was pathetic,we’re sat at the Jimmy Mac end of the ground and you can see fans around us cringing as he misses ball after ball going into the box,but it’s ok because in 4 yrs he may be the best goalkeeper in Burnley.

[Swizzlestick]

He should have been playing Championship football this season to improve his strength, presence and distribution but we’ve decided to throw him straight in and it just hasn’t worked, completely derailing the style we’d developed in the process. What’s done is done, and I guess he’ll be developing in the Championship next season anyway.

[123EasyasBFC]

We sold Nick Pope for 13 million and signed James Trafford for 20 million.

Muric for 4 million before Trafford to

[RVclaret]

We sold Nick Pope for 13 million and signed James Trafford for 20 million.

Huh? Why do people just make up figures?

Pope was sold for 10-11m and Trafford bought for 13.5.

[Shaggy]

Butland is/was and always has been far superior to Trafford.

[forzagranata]

Huh? Why do people just make up figures?

Pope was sold for 10-11m and Trafford bought for 13.5.

Trafford was reported by several outlets, including the BBC and The Athletic, to be 15 million up-front to City plus 4 million in add-ons. So 19 million total if the unspecified add-ons kick in.

You are right about Pope - we sold him for even cheaper than I recalled.

[bumba]

Eh?

Name me a keeper you have watched at his age who is better. I honestly can't name one.

I favoured Muric in pre-season. I'm now onboard with JT as our keeper. It is clear to see his improvement. His growrh will contnue. You have to be stubborn to the nth degree not to see it.

A website called everybody soccer has a list of the top 24 goalkeepers in the world under 23, James Trafford doesn't even make the list! There's a 20 year old at City on the list but JT playing premier league football fails to make the list.

[JimmyRobbo]

A website called everybody soccer has a list of the top 24 goalkeepers in the world under 23, James Trafford doesn't even make the list! There's a 20 year old at City on the list but JT playing premier league football fails to make the list.

Brilliant! That proves it.

[RVclaret]

Trafford was reported by several outlets, including the BBC and The Athletic, to be 15 million up-front to City plus 4 million in add-ons. So 19 million total if the unspecified add-ons kick in.

You are right about Pope - we sold him for even cheaper than I recalled.

The deal was around 13.7m. Fab Romano reported it ‘around 14m’, I’m led to believe it was just under. The add ons will only kick in if Trafford is a success here, such as we stay up, he plays for England and we finish top 10. Saying we spent 20m is therefore factually inaccurate.

[spt_claret]

Couldn't get to or watch the match last night as I had other commitments. I'll take people's word for it he had a good game beyond the goal, because all I can go on is Sky highlights.

An obvious example is the current manager of Argentina saw fit to play Meslier.
Trafford is on a different level and away from this board most observers see him as one of our best players and the reason why we are still in contention- just about

Age is irrelevant- as certain darts players have shown

People away from this board largely don't watch players from smaller clubs and will just go on stats or 10-second Twitter clips, 2 minutes of SkKy coverage at most. On stats he's the most deployed keeper for passes which makes him sound like a dream playmaker even if he's not, and has made a few big saves that are good for Twitter clips. He's had 2 maybe 3 MOTM performances but he's not remotely 'on a different level'. He makes so many basic errors, is now less risky passer than Muric even if he wasn't at first, but FAR less productive, and is physically and aerially so weak especially for his height.

The Luton player Adebayo turns his back and then plants his feet, standing his ground, he doesn't look at Trafford, don't know where people are getting this from I've watched the replay about 20 times now. Kompany might say otherwise but he turns his back but doesn't look from any angle I've seen, Trafford runs into him nowhere near the ball then bounces off like he's made of paper. He moves in as he turns his back, static by the time he's got his back to Trafford. Same with 'they didnt' celebrate' - Morris & Adebayo both did, the rest are wondering what the ref's gonna do because when the keeper goes sprawling you never know.

I think it's given as a foul against Allison, Ederson, etc. I'm not sure it should be given against them or any keeper, as it's weak keeping more than anything, I genuinely don't know if he gets there either way.

Always going to lean towards "its a foul" when it's on a Burnley player but if that's at the other end I'm saying the keeper's just too weak and gets his run wrong and I'm fuming if it's disallowed. I think that's why it's not changed by VAR honestly- if the ref blows his whistle as a foul, VAR won't overturn it and allow the goal, if the ref lets it stand so does VAR.

Shocking from Al Dakhil though he just lets Morris bypass and lose him, Ekdal's trying to mark Adebayo then I think sees Morris is free, or sees Adebayo and Trafford collide, tries to get back across to Morris but doesn't make it and can't get off his feet. We're just not strong enough in the air anywhere for that goal.

I couldn't go on the radio with the language I'd use to describe his displays.
I am over it I just like the laugh now after all the Trafford fan boys are eating humble pie.

I don't see how there's a laugh at all and nobody should want "Trafford fan boys eating humble pie", I favour Muric but Trafford is a Burnley keeper playing in a Burnley shirt and whatever we think about selection we ought to back him and want him to do well, it's FAR worse for the club if he plays badly, I for one was hoping his run of good shot stopping performances and reduced errors in passing/the air were a sign he'd turned the corner and was set to do as Muric did last year, really push on. Everyone should want that regardless of which keeper we'd pick.

[Wokingclaret]

Adebayo knew what he was doing....

[Westleigh]

Adebayo knew what he was doing....

How many times did we block a defender or keeper when Sean Dyche was here?

[Nori1958]

How many times did we block a defender or keeper when Sean Dyche was here?

Doesn't mean it wasn't a foul just because "we used to do it"

[123EasyasBFC]

Adebayo knew what he was doing....

Course he did and it’s clever, if there’s no var you can live with it and say he’s got away with one, but when var have checked it over and over again it’s crazy how they don’t give a foul

[IanMcL]

Jack Butland got similar hype at a similar age and I think he was better - didn't quite reach the levels expected.

Young goalkeepers are not yet the best. Only potentially the best. Older keepers - 30 plus - know what they are doing.

Trafford is agile. Lacking in most other departments.

[Westleigh]

Doesn't mean it wasn't a foul just because "we used to do it"

I know but it’s as though someone’s just invented the wheel,too many fans with poor little Burnley attitude ,the players apart from 3 or 4 should look at themselves and ask if they’re up for the fight ,and on last night’s showing the answer is no ,fans calling for no VAR ,ok no VAR the ref gave the goal.

[BurnleyFC]

After seeing this in real time from about 10 yards away last night, I finally rewatched it.

It’s absolutely shite goalkeeping from Trafford. There’s no need to even think of coming for that ball at all and he goes down like a sack of spuds. Weak as ****.

I’d want that given if it was for us.

[Nori1958]

After seeing this in real time from about 10 yards away last night, I finally rewatched it.

It’s absolutely shite goalkeeping from Trafford. There’s no need to even think of coming for that ball at all and he goes down like a sack of spuds. Weak as ****.

I’d want that given if it was for us.

How much did the call to talksport cost you?

[BurnleyFC]

How much did the call to talksport cost you?

What?

[Nori1958]

There was a guy on, who was sat the same distance away as you, and said the same thing... coincidence?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

After seeing this in real time from about 10 yards away last night, I finally rewatched it.

It’s absolutely shite goalkeeping from Trafford. There’s no need to even think of coming for that ball at all and he goes down like a sack of spuds. Weak as ****.

I’d want that given if it was for us.

It was a flawless performance according to one poster who also thought Muric should have saved that worldie last week

[BurnleyFC]

There was a guy on, who was sat the same distance away as you, and said the same thing... coincidence?

Must be because I can’t stand Talk Shite!

[Nori1958]

Must be because I can’t stand Talk Shite!

Neither can I because of pricks like the one last night.

At least the presenters took the Mickey out of him

[BurnleyFC]

Neither can I because of pricks like the one last night.

At least the presenters took the Mickey out of him

Those presenters can’t take the **** out of anyone, to be fair.

They’re bigger dick heads than the people that phone in.

[Wokingclaret]

After seeing this in real time from about 10 yards away last night, I finally rewatched it.

It’s absolutely shite goalkeeping from Trafford. There’s no need to even think of coming for that ball at all and he goes down like a sack of spuds. Weak as ****.

I’d want that given if it was for us.

Your underestimating the power of Adebayo's arse, it blew him away