Absolutely.
Maybe this time next year if we're not challenging for the Championship promotion places.
Absolutely.
For me this has been one of our major failings this season. Some of the substitutions just seemed to be change for changes sake and plain baffling.
If only Kompany had a track record of turning things around at Burnley before.northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:13 pmYep, Kompany is out of his depth and anyone who thinks he's going to turn things around at Burnley is kidding themselves. The only question is whether he gets sacked now, in a few weeks/months, or when we're struggling in the Championship next season.
Tresor has given nothing in he's appearances so far, and larsen although OK in he's first 2 or 3 games flatters to deceive, a Benson and zaroury double substitution would have lifted the crowd and kept Luton where they should have been, in their own half because they'll remember how the pair ripped the championship up last season, vk knows what they are capable of, so was yet again a strange substitution especially tresor when he's shown no reason to believe he has the qualities of Benson or zaroury.KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:37 pmHe didn’t bring on Tresor to shore it up…. Not sure if you watched the game, Odobert ran the length of the pitch to get a chance, there was huge space in behind the defence in wide areas. VK switched to 5 at the back and then swapped out the two wide players for fresh legs to go the other way.
You do realise this is Kompany’s first season in the PL? The most brutal domestic league in world football?northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:13 pmYep, Kompany is out of his depth and anyone who thinks he's going to turn things around at Burnley is kidding themselves. The only question is whether he gets sacked now, in a few weeks/months, or when we're struggling in the Championship next season.
Trouble is though, he's NOT learning.TsarBomba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:38 pmYou do realise this is Kompany’s first season in the PL? The most brutal domestic league in world football?
You don’t get a chance to learn on the job in this league, but that’s exactly what he is trying to do.
The tactics and subs are baffling, and the transfer window was a complete disaster, but Kompany has earned the right to be here.
He’s not a Lampard, who couldn’t even get Derby promoted with the likes of Tomori and Mount.
Promotion wasn’t expected and there’s kudos in the bank. I’d much rather we had another crack at the Championship with a manager that has got us promoted already, to one that hasn’t.
The time to judge will be this time next year. If we’re languishing in the lower reaches of the Championship, then it will be fair enough if Kompany gets potted. If we get promoted again, then this season will stand us in good stead.
This summer is going to be one of massive upheaval, and VK is best suited to managing that transition.
I hate the words ‘project’ and ‘journey’ in football and I don’t like our moneyball approach to signing players. But the whole club is aligned to that approach, and we’ve just got to have the patience over the next few years to see where it takes us.
Totally different situation. A new manager turning things around happens all the time. An existing manager turning things around after a season as bad as ours is almost unheard of, I can't think of a single example of it happening.
Firstly, the season still has 17 games left. Second, Norwich under Farke? Burnley under Dyche? Just two examples off the top of my head. Ask Norwich fans if they wish they’d kept Farke.northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:41 pmTotally different situation. A new manager turning things around happens all the time. An existing manager turning things around after a season as bad as ours is almost unheard of, I can't think of a single example of it happening.
I think a good comparison is Leicester City. Rodgers had done a brilliant job there, had loads of credit in the bank but ultimately it had stopped working and the players had lost faith in him. And maybe he would have turned things around as well as Maresca has but I doubt it, I think they needed that fresh start. Same with us.
Fair enough but you should be prepared for it to fail. You can't have a season as bad as ours without losing the dressing room to some extent. Faith in Kompany's methods will drop, morale will be terrible, and it would be naive to think he's going to suddenly turn it around in the Championship.
We didn't do anywhere near this badly under Dyche. What was it, 33 points? Farke fair enough he won promotion again but he was sacked after losing 15 PL games on the trot. Norwich fans might be happy with that but I wouldn't be.
Yes, he might not have the same pulling power as last time, which was the base of his success.northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:46 pmFair enough but you should be prepared for it to fail. You can't have a season as bad as ours without losing the dressing room to some extent. Faith in Kompany's methods will drop, morale will be terrible, and it would be naive to think he's going to suddenly turn it around in the Championship.
He is though as our performances prove over the last 2-3 months.
7 points in the last 3 games though when the other teams were already on the beach that first season under Dychenorthernpowerhouse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:51 pmWe didn't do anywhere near this badly under Dyche. What was it, 33 points? Farke fair enough he won promotion again but he was sacked after losing 15 PL games on the trot. Norwich fans might be happy with that but I wouldn't be.
Exactly, all these arguments about the team learning are not relevant as half of the squad will be ripped out again. It is fun for a season but now it's just boring, I feel little to no connection/loyalty to a lot of our players since most are just passing through.
Pretty much as I see it. Why bother getting promoted in the first place if you make zero effort to stay up?
And also the previous 9 games before those last 3 saw us score a grand total of 1 (one) goal.northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:51 pmWe didn't do anywhere near this badly under Dyche. What was it, 33 points? Farke fair enough he won promotion again but he was sacked after losing 15 PL games on the trot. Norwich fans might be happy with that but I wouldn't be.
I dislike the squad overhaul approach also but would be happy at a good number of the current squad not being here next season. I think that is a certainty especially as the older ones have come to the end of their journey as well.
Totally agree. He’s played in it though, knows the level and the demands expected and brings in a load of young inexperienced lads. All I can assume is that after last season he thought they’d learnt enough to push on. Did promotion come to early?TsarBomba wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:38 pmYou do realise this is Kompany’s first season in the PL? The most brutal domestic league in world football?
You don’t get a chance to learn on the job in this league, but that’s exactly what he is trying to do.
The tactics and subs are baffling, and the transfer window was a complete disaster, but Kompany has earned the right to be here.
Agree on free kicks, we are awful, especially Brownhill, but JGB has at least scored one (QPR).Dyched wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:35 amThat foster pass doesn't count as a chance really though does it? The pass was ****. Not about being clinical. Had Zeki got it and missed fair enough. But the pass what ****. That’s like saying wvery corner was a golden chance, but the cross was ****.
For me there’s too many selfish decisions being made. I like Foster/Zeki, they work and create for the team. Even Fosters pass, he’s trying, making the right decision at least. Others not, just thinking for themselves. Not passing, crossing and choosing to shoot from ridiculous angles. JBG free kick springs to mind, 30 yds out, 5 in the wall. Mate, you missed a 1 on 1, 8 yards out 5 minutes ago, do really think you’ll bend one in from there?
Take Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal out ot the next 4 games and it’s realistically 24-25 pts from 13 games. That’s almost top4 form needed.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2024 10:21 pmVK is very very lucky Pace likes him, at any other club he’s gone by now.
16 games to get 26-27 points. We are as good as relegated and it’s only January.
they still complain how the decision to pot Farke was a terrible one and their results since prove that to be the case. Kompany 100% deserves the same opportunity given to Dyche to bring us back up.northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:51 pmWe didn't do anywhere near this badly under Dyche. What was it, 33 points? Farke fair enough he won promotion again but he was sacked after losing 15 PL games on the trot. Norwich fans might be happy with that but I wouldn't be.
My feeling is why would I want to give him that opportunity to come back to this, because imo he's learnt nothing so far this season.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:31 amthey still complain how the decision to pot Farke was a terrible one and their results since prove that to be the case. Kompany 100% deserves the same opportunity given to Dyche to bring us back up.
Whether he's learnt anything or not, the thing that stood out most on Friday night was that Luton players wanted it more than we did.alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:14 amMy feeling is why would I want to give him that opportunity to come back to this, because imo he's learnt nothing so far this season.
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:51 amHere’s some context to as to how badly Kompany is performing this season.
No team that has got over 100 points in the championship has ever been relegated first season in the prem.
And here are the below points tally’s for each of them teams that first season:
Reading 55 points
Newcastle 46 points
Leicester 41 points
Sunderland 58 points
Fulham 44 points
Burnley will be lucky to break 25 points this season
People can defend him however much they want, but the reality is he is miles away from being good enough for this league.
Can't agree more, even my Mrs has said for some time now there's no leader on the pitch, and as you point out, in the Dyche era there were leader's, not just one, several. It's another basic, that just seems to be missing.FeedTheArf wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:41 amWhether he's learnt anything or not, the thing that stood out most on Friday night was that Luton players wanted it more than we did.
That's not tactics, it's not even talent. That's character and we just don't have it.
Do you think Tarky and Mee would be letting the players off so easy? Heaton? Bardsley? Barnes?? Hell, even Joey despite all of his recent stupidity.
I was more than ready for a change when Dyche left, but he had the thing about key core values, legs, hearts, minds and we've massively come away from that.
We're sleep walking to relegation.
If you have enjoyed this season there has to be something wrong with you.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:54 amLuckily for some this season has given them more enjoyment than last season, they had to watch us win most weeks and be the best team.
Couldn't have put it any better than thatNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:02 amIf you have enjoyed this season there has to be something wrong with you.
Think Burnley fans are generally less demanding than other fans and accept how hard it is to compete. They’ve been accommodating watching the worst home record I can ever remember ( as a reminder P11 W1 D1 L9 with a -14 goal difference). I haven’t seen one live win in person this season. It is right that it is questioned. Too late to change anything now this season and I expect there will be a lot more defeats on the way and our lowest PL points total ever. However the club needs to progress and Managers come and go. They are also paid astronomical amounts to deliver and take pressure. We have spent a hell of a lot of money and a lot of this is borrowed. If we do not get back up ( quite possible) I’m not sure how the current ‘project ‘ stacks up.It Is What It Is wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:22 amBlimey ...people have such short memories.
Nine months ago he was the Messiah and could do no wrong.
A lot of fickle fairweather fans on here ...ok...we are not in a good place at the mo, but this is the EPL and we are competing against the best teams and players in the world.
Be real. We are a very young squad but the improvement since our first EPL game v City, has been incredible.
VK deserves more respect for what he has done for BFC.
I think he was trying to say that us so called fans with agendas like this season more because we’re losing most gamesNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:02 amIf you have enjoyed this season there has to be something wrong with you.
I don’t agree we should have sacked him after a few games. For starters, we’d just invested £100m in players he’d signed. Secondly I think there’d have been uproar on here at the stupidity of sacking a manager that had done really well for us the season prior after a few games. I can see it now, berating ALK for being ruthless axemen that don’t understand football, that panicked and messed things up.Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:10 amWe needed quick decisive action earlier in the season in my opinion. This season has been a disaster on the pitch and seems to have been written off by the board. It was clear it wasn’t going to work after a few games. It’s too late to sack VK now it won’t achieve anything as we are already relegated. I’d give him 10-12 games in the Championship where we need to be at the very top end. He has as good a chance as anyone at that level. I just hope the board don’t do what they did with Dyche and sack him when it’s too late. It won’t achieve anything.
northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:41 pmTotally different situation. A new manager turning things around happens all the time. An existing manager turning things around after a season as bad as ours is almost unheard of, I can't think of a single example of it happening.
I think a good comparison is Leicester City. Rodgers had done a brilliant job there, had loads of credit in the bank but ultimately it had stopped working and the players had lost faith in him. And maybe he would have turned things around as well as Maresca has but I doubt it, I think they needed that fresh start. Same with us.
Deserves another season of course, but last season's success is well and truly in the rearview mirror because this is a car crash in all areas in comparison.NewClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:00 amI don’t agree we should have sacked him after a few games. For starters, we’d just invested £100m in players he’d signed. Secondly I think there’d have been uproar on here at the stupidity of sacking a manager that had done really well for us the season prior after a few games. I can see it now, berating ALK for being ruthless axemen that don’t understand football, that panicked and messed things up.
In fact, I just don’t get the opinion of any fan (of which I am not convinced many on these threads are because I didn’t see many of them posting so frequently when we were enjoying one of the clubs best ever seasons last year) that thinks Burnley Football Clubs best long term interests are best served by chopping and changing managers. I think it’d send us in to an absolute death spiral like many other clubs below us. We need to be a club with a vision and long term plan.
I do agree that there’s absolutely no point sacking him now and that he deserves a good shot in the Championship with this squad (or as much of it as we can afford to keep together).
Obviously this season hasn’t been great and I’ll be the first to agree that our very young manager has made mistakes. I don’t agree it’s been a car crash particularly.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:14 amDeserves another season of course, but last season's success is well and truly in the rearview mirror because this is a car crash in all areas in comparison.
Worth mentioning that the first game against Luton last season was just the second game of the season way before we had gelled.NewClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 10:23 amObviously this season hasn’t been great and I’ll be the first to agree that our very young manager has made mistakes. I don’t agree it’s been a car crash particularly.
I wasn’t going to bother, but since you’ve replied to me, I’ll pick up on your message on the first page - that we had a large gap over them last year.
We did, but we took as many points off them as we did last year. The results being pretty similar - a draw at home and narrow win away.
Plus it should’ve been an improvement on the tally from last year were it not for VAR and we played this game without 3 of our best performers from this season.
For me last year is not in the rear view mirror but a very fond memory and will definitely fully support Kompany to repeat it and hope we can get back up and learn from this years mistakes.