Players out of position

[Goliath]

Vitinho (his position should be Accrington Stanleys bench)
Berge (basically playing as a centre half)
Amdouni
Ramsey (no way is he an orthodox central midfielder at the moment)

All out of position in a formation weve hardly played. This is on Kompany and if he goes after today then I wont be kicking up a fuss, He's absolutely lost his way, its a complete mess. If there's one thing we learnt from Dyche, its that if youre struggling what you need is consistency and focus on the basics, we have done the complete opposite today. Its been rank bad management today, even if we turn it around and win.

[spt_claret]

Vitinho looked decent at right back for that run of games with Gudmundsson ahead of him. At LB with someone as defensively absent as Odobert he's completely exposed and can't hack it.
Ramsey I agree no idea what his position is, I thought attacking mid but he's not productive at all. Gudmundsson creates far more and he's old and slow.
Amdouni is right position it's just not working. I thought he'd be much better with Foster back, hasn't been.
Berge is being forced to play deep because our central defence is slow and our midfield is getting overran with how defensively/possession-frail some of them are, especially Amdouni, Ramsey and tbh Odobert outside the final third. Don't think it's tactical with Berge so much as on pitch emergency

[dermotdermot]

No one on the right side except the new full back. Where is Ramsay supposed to be playing? A shambles!

[Shaggy]

Trafford… we’ll be seems
To gets his positioning wrong all the time.

[Goliath]

Vitinho looked decent at right back for that run of games with Gudmundsson ahead of him. At LB with someone as defensively absent as Odobert he's completely exposed and can't hack it.
Ramsey I agree no idea what his position is, I thought attacking mid but he's not productive at all. Gudmundsson creates far more and he's old and slow.
Amdouni is right position it's just not working. I thought he'd be much better with Foster back, hasn't been.
Berge is being forced to play deep because our central defence is slow and our midfield is getting overran with how defensively/possession-frail some of them are, especially Amdouni, Ramsey and tbh Odobert outside the final third. Don't think it's tactical with Berge so much as on pitch emergency

Vitinho has been woeful all season, hes the worst full back ive seen in a Burnley shirt along with Brian Easton.

In fact im not sure what youre watching, he started in basically a 541 with Berge extremely deep and Ramsey alongside Brownhill. Amdouni on the right of the 4 when we defend, doing absolutely nothing. He gets away with murder as well, he shouldnt be in the side. just play a quite direct 442 with Rodriguez and Foster up front and play from there, it really isnt rocket science.

A game we couldnt afford to lose and hes gambled on a system theyve hardly played all season, absolute lunacy

[Hedontplayforyou]

Doesn’t matter where you play this lot. They have no fight .

Ramsey - what does he do?

Amdouni - looks lost.

Foster - looks like he knows he would be fighting on his own up top so has backed off.

Odobert seems to be further inside than he should be to allow Vitinho to go outside .

Get Odobert outside to attack the fullback and get Vitinho off the pitch.

Berge who is our best midfielder almost playing in a back 3 and not able to make things happen further up as a consequence.

Absolute pure unadulterated shite

[spt_claret]

Vitinho has been woeful all season, hes the worst full back ive seen in a Burnley shirt along with Brian Easton.

In fact im not sure what youre watching, he started in basically a 541 with Berge extremely deep and Ramsey alongside Brownhill. Amdouni on the right of the 4 when we defend, doing absolutely nothing. He gets away with murder as well, he shouldnt be in the side. just play a quite direct 442 with Rodriguez and Foster up front and play from there, it really isnt rocket science.

A game we couldnt afford to lose and hes gambled on a system theyve hardly played all season, absolute lunacy

Disagree on Vitinho being bad all season, he had a total of around 4 decent games either side of and including the Arsenal game where I thought he looked set to push on, instead he's gotten steadily worse since.

With Ramsey I meant I thought his preferred position when we signed was AM. Today looks like we're trying a midfield 3 with 2 having licence to advance but they're all pegged back so much they've been pushed deeper.
Jay can't hold the ball up well enough or create, link, stretch or shoot well enough to be in a direct 442 at this level anymore and we do not have the physicality down the flanks for it I know you're his biggest champion but no chance. Id swap Fofana in for Amdouni at least he made a goal against city.

[Iloveyoubrady]

I like VK but he’s lost the plot a bit this season.

Last year Vitinho was a back up right back and sometimes winger. Definitely weaker defensively and offers more going forwards. Roberts was the first choice as he could defend better and was a more complete fullback. What does he do? Gets rid of Roberts and starts Vitinho every game.

Ramsey is the worst signing I have ever seen. Kompany was so cocky when he signed saying he’ll play for England. Ramsey is ****.

[Belgianclaret]

Vitinho has been woeful all season, hes the worst full back ive seen in a Burnley shirt along with Brian Easton.

In fact im not sure what youre watching, he started in basically a 541 with Berge extremely deep and Ramsey alongside Brownhill. Amdouni on the right of the 4 when we defend, doing absolutely nothing. He gets away with murder as well, he shouldnt be in the side. just play a quite direct 442 with Rodriguez and Foster up front and play from there, it really isnt rocket science.

A game we couldnt afford to lose and hes gambled on a system theyve hardly played all season, absolute lunacy

Hell yeah, Brian Easton - those were the days

[Goliath]

If i was a supporter of a League 1 team, I genuinely still wouldnt want Vitinho as a full back. Hes an absolute liability, no defensive awareness, utterly cowardly in the air, positioning is dreadful, poor on the ball, doesnt create. Its the first time in my whole time watching Burnley that ive ever really gone in for a player like i am with him but it really is a disgrace that hes playing.

[spt_claret]

If i was a supporter of a League 1 team, I genuinely still wouldnt want Vitinho as a full back. Hes an absolute liability, no defensive awareness, utterly cowardly in the air, positioning is dreadful, poor on the ball, doesnt create. Its the first time in my whole time watching Burnley that ive ever really gone in for a player like i am with him but it really is a disgrace that hes playing.

Absurdly excessive.
He's not PL standard, I still hold out hope he could be one day as 24 while not young isn't past development, but he's definitely not currently and I'm increasingly doubting he will after a couple of games where I held out hope he'd turned the corner.
His defensive positioning is poor, made much worse when he's swapped flanks and or has a winger who provides zero cover or defensive support - you can't get away with that at our level.
He's certainly not a coward. One of the few Kompany signings with fight.
He's got excellent attacking positioning/movement on the right but then can't provide productivity with it which is bizarre and frustrating, usually it's harder to make good runs and find space, he gets the space then ballses up the cross or shot. Can't make sense of it.
He's definitely not a PL fullback but to say he's below L1 is ridiculous, nobody in this team is that poor.

[CoolClaret]

If i was a supporter of a League 1 team, I genuinely still wouldnt want Vitinho as a full back. Hes an absolute liability, no defensive awareness, utterly cowardly in the air, positioning is dreadful, poor on the ball, doesnt create. Its the first time in my whole time watching Burnley that ive ever really gone in for a player like i am with him but it really is a disgrace that hes playing.

This is very silly and a bit weird in all honesty.

[Goliath]

This is very silly and a bit weird in all honesty.

Its factual. Hes costing us week in week out. Id much prefer JBG at left back

[Goliath]

And there it is. We go to a basic 442 template with a team that works hard, 2 threats uptop and we turn the game around. Esteve looks a hell of a player as does Assignon.
Unfortunately not for the first time, Kompany tried to be too clever and cost us the win.
Thats relegation sealed unfortunately.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

If i was a supporter of a League 1 team, I genuinely still wouldnt want Vitinho as a full back. Hes an absolute liability, no defensive awareness, utterly cowardly in the air, positioning is dreadful, poor on the ball, doesnt create. Its the first time in my whole time watching Burnley that ive ever really gone in for a player like i am with him but it really is a disgrace that hes playing.

That’s the worst post of the year and it’s barely February.

Literally should be banned from the board for calling someone cowardly.

This is why other team’s supporters laugh at us and call us thick.

[CoolClaret]

Your obsessive hatred over Vitinho is beyond weird mate.

How do you think an Accy bench player would fair against Doku in a midweek game?

It's just nonsense, he was absolutely fine today.

[Goliath]

That’s the worst post of the year and it’s barely February.

Literally should be banned from the board for calling someone cowardly.

This is why other team’s supporters laugh at us and call us thick.

He is cowardly, he hates heading the ball so avoids doing so. If youve played full back you know its very easy to do, slightly misread the ball as a pass is played so you aren't in position to challenge for a header. In my opinion his lack of positioning on diagonals is intentional because he prefers to try and recover using his pace rather than just winning the header initially.

Its nothing to do with being 'thick' although I thank you for that. If you think calling a player cowardly is an offence that should get me banned thrn you've lived a very sheltered life.

[Goliath]

Your obsessive hatred over Vitinho is beyond weird mate.

How do you think an Accy bench player would fair against Doku in a midweek game?

It's just nonsense, he was absolutely fine today.

If you think he was fine today thrn theres no point in discussing football with you. You clearly have no clue.
Maybe watch the replay of the second goal.

[CoolClaret]

If you think he was fine today thrn theres no point in discussing football with you. You clearly have no clue.
Maybe watch the replay of the second goal.

The second goal? What are you on about there?

How are you blaming that on Vitinho?

[CharlieinNewMexico]

He is cowardly, he hates heading the ball so avoids doing so. If youve played full back you know its very easy to do, slightly misread the ball as a pass is played so you aren't in position to challenge for a header. In my opinion his lack of positioning on diagonals is intentional because he prefers to try and recover using his pace rather than just winning the header initially.

Its nothing to do with being 'thick' although I thank you for that. If you think calling a player cowardly is an offence that should get me banned thrn you've lived a very sheltered life.

Ban

[RVclaret]

The second goal? What are you on about there?

How are you blaming that on Vitinho?

You might neee the angle from the side where he’s playing the guy on.

[Goody1975]

As posted on the Burnley Vs Fulham thread...


We tried Berge in a deeper role earlier in the season and it didn't work.

On paper him stepping out of the defence to dictate things is a good idea, however the lads in front of him have to get a grip on the game otherwise he'll play as a centre half all match.

A midfield four of Odobert, Brownhill, Ramsey and Amdouni hasn't got a tackle between them, it's a plan destined to fail, why take your only physical player out of the centre of the park is baffling at best.

I'd certainly look at putting Brownhill in the number ten role (like last season) with Fofana, and Odobert either side of Foster. In central midfield would be Berge alongside either Cullen or Massengo. We are too easily overwhelmed in the centre of the park.

[Goliath]

The second goal? What are you on about there?

How are you blaming that on Vitinho?

Hahaha and there we have it. Have you ever heard of the offside rule? Hilarious

[Goliath]

Ban

You find the word cowardly that offensive? What would you use as an alternative?

[CoolClaret]

You might neee the angle from the side where he’s playing the guy on.

I have but Vitinho has just taken a throw in there and is making his way up with the rest of the line, Ekdal wasn't in line with O'Shea and Assignon either.

If anyone it's Ekdal for letting a guy be stood behind him between the lines and not looking to see where his fullback is, your centre halves have to check this sort of thing and get the line organised.

[CoolClaret]

Hahaha and there we have it. Have you ever heard of the offside rule? Hilarious

It's a poor goal to concede as a collective, I don't think it's purely on one player at all - the entire backline was staggered there, you expect someone in defence to organise the back line in those situations.

He's nowhere near as bad as you're making out, you genuinely sound unhinged.

[Goliath]

For questionining why we are playing a player thats nowhere near good enough? Right, i think we will call this discussion a day if youre just going to resort to that when you make a fool of yourself.

[Dark Cloud]

Vitihno was absolutely brilliant today on the edge of THEIR box. Tricky, dangerous and explosive. What he isn't and never will be is a bloody full back!!

[CharlieinNewMexico]

You find the word cowardly that offensive? What would you use as an alternative?

I just wouldn’t judge someone’s personal character having never met them. That’s how I was raised. Maybe you were raised differently.

I’m more worried that you’re going to say something libelous (and yes, people and messageboards are held accountable, it’s happened before)

[ksrclaret]

That hybrid centre half/ centre mid role Berge was playing in the first half was absolutely laughable

[Goliath]

I just wouldn’t judge someone’s personal character having never met them. That’s how I was raised. Maybe you were raised differently.

I’m more worried that you’re going to say something libelous (and yes, people and messageboards are held accountable, it’s happened before)

Ive said hes cowardly in the air, he doesnt want to head it. In what world is that judging somes personal character or nearing anything libellous.

[ClaretPete001]

In terms of Vitinho, even ss a sunday morning pub player you would be embarrassed to that far behind the other defenders.

It was a shambles and we looked out classed for 70 minutes. The new lads did look decent and a great comeback but I'm not sure we are making any real progress.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Ive said hes cowardly in the air, he doesnt want to head it. In what world is that judging somes personal character or nearing anything libellous.

Not for me to judge.
But it would be for you to defend.

A quick Google will enlighten you.

[CoolClaret]

In terms of Vitinho, even ss a sunday morning pub player you would be embarrassed to that far behind the other defenders.

It was a shambles and we looked out classed for 70 minutes. The new lads did look decent and a great comeback but I'm not sure we are making any real progress.

They were all a mess there tbh. Need a CB organising that back line

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Vithinio is what he is a championship utility player. The fact that Kompany who like the rest of us has witnessed his ineptness at right back this season thought we’ll try him on the left is amazing.

[Goliath]

Not for me to judge.
But it would be for you to defend.

A quick Google will enlighten you.

I think it's you who needs enlightening my friend.

[ClaretPete001]

They were all a mess there tbh. Need a CB organising that back line

I can't argue with you ...

[CharlieinNewMexico]

I think it's you who needs enlightening my friend.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lan ... 309377.amp

Only dropped bc they owed fees. But they hauled all those people and their lawyers into court.

But you know best!!!!

[Goliath]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lan ... 309377.amp

Only dropped bc they owed fees. But they hauled all those people and their lawyers into court.

But you know best!!!!

You really don't have a clue. That was nothing to do with comments about a players performance.

[Swizzlestick]

I was absolutely gone at Berge, our most effective CM, playing bloody CB. Mental.

[superdimitri]

Vitihno was absolutely brilliant today on the edge of THEIR box. Tricky, dangerous and explosive. What he isn't and never will be is a bloody full back!!

In fairness that's really not uncommon for a Brazilian. Every player in Brazil starts out wanting to be a forward. Even some of the their best players were only great because they were so good in attack. They could usually afford to neglect defensive duties because they were often played as the widest players in a backline of 5.

[123EasyasBFC]

The second goal? What are you on about there?

How are you blaming that on Vitinho?

I like Vitinho but for the second goal he is 5 yards deeper than the rest of the back 4

[Dodobdobodobo]

Your obsessive hatred over Vitinho is beyond weird mate.

How do you think an Accy bench player would fair against Doku in a midweek game?

It's just nonsense, he was absolutely fine today.

MOM for me today, for most of the game he looked like the only one that could be arsed!

[Dodobdobodobo]

They were all a mess there tbh. Need a CB organising that back line

It’s because he’d run back 50 yards for a ball nobody else went after!

[Dodobdobodobo]

They were all a mess there tbh. Need a CB organising that back line

He had just taken a throw in which we couldn’t keep the ball!

[Row Z]

The second goal? What are you on about there?

How are you blaming that on Vitinho?

Look at it again.. played Muniz onside.

[Bullabill]

The second goal? What are you on about there?

How are you blaming that on Vitinho?

He was a couple of yards behind the other defenders coming out and was playing the Fulham player onside. Had he been up with the line, offside would have been the call and no goal.

[CoolClaret]

He was a couple of yards behind the other defenders coming out and was playing the Fulham player onside. Had he been up with the line, offside would have been the call and no goal.

Yes but it's not as straight forward as being made out - lot of factors in there, remember he's the one that made the initial throwin as well.

It's more indicative of our organisation as a whole, the entire backline was staggered.

[Woodleyclaret]

Non tackling Brownhill and Berge too deep
Ramsey a complete mystery how he even gets on before Jay JBG Cork etc
Vitinho a good rb back up now we have Gallic pace and flair
Esteve looks assured and partner OShea or Beyer
AL Dakiel or Delcroix can deputise for Charlie
Fofana and Foster up front with very talented and much maligned Amdouni playing just behind as playmaker