Post match presser

[Hapag Lloyd]

That is a very good question, I don’t think there’s a viable option currently.

I’d love McKenna but you run the risk of being right where we started as he’s unproven. Plus, he ain’t coming to swop places.

I think I’d take OGS but I think that’s a risk…

But my top two would be (1st) Lopatagui (sp) or I would try and try to get Jose. I don’t think that’s a s far fetched as you might think.

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Gotta be worth another

[Goliath]

Rob Edwards would be one possible alternative

[Woodleyclaret]

We played well for till we gave two soft goals away.But why we persist in Ramsey is beyond me
He offers nothing.Amoundi at least is a goal scorer but balloned a decent chance.
The three subs did well and should have been on after goal two.Fofana looks class as did Esteve except for his mad corner error.We have our Trippieresque in our new right back who looked assured.
2 points thrown away though as Everton and Luton got unlikely draws.VK is the man to get us out of trouble and talk of sacking is utter nonsense.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Not at all pleased with how the seasons gone. It’s been a steep learning curve (too steep) for the squad and manager. Both will be far more ready for a 2nd attempt.

Like Dyche was after his first failed attempt and he didn’t do too bad.

I’m not convinced they will get a second attempt at the Premier League.

[CoolClaret]

That is a very good question, I don’t think there’s a viable option currently.

I’d love McKenna but you run the risk of being right where we started as he’s unproven. Plus, he ain’t coming to swop places.

I think I’d take OGS but I think that’s a risk…

But my top two would be (1st) Lopatagui (sp) or I would try and try to get Jose. I don’t think that’s a s far fetched as you might think.

Zinedine Zidane is available as well mate - maybe he'd fancy cutting his cloth at the Turf as well?

Crikey

[Burnley87]

Dyches first attempt we signed Marvin Sordell and Duke . Hardly a 100 million Budget

[Holtyclaret]

Dyches first attempt we signed Marvin Sordell and Duke . Hardly a 100 million Budget

If you listen to vk / Pace neither was this year.

Footy (and BFC) has changed quite considerably from ten years ago but surely the same opportunity and patience should be afforded vk that was given to Dyche.

[Holtyclaret]

I’m not convinced they will get a second attempt at the Premier League.

I am

[Culmclaret]

Unfortunately, all that Boskamp said when Kompany left Anderlecht is now playing out. Sadly he has proved that his is intellectually and temperamentally incapable of managing at the highest level

[Cooclaret]

Zinedine Zidane is available as well mate - maybe he'd fancy cutting his cloth at the Turf as well?

Crikey

I see the small town mentality runs strong this morning.

No wonder half of this board wets itself when the chairman does something that he hasn’t run past this message board first, or if he tries to build a presence/space for the club outside of Lancashire.

[Westleigh]

As regards Kompany going ,we’re damned if he does,and we’re damned if he doesn’t,basically up **** creek without a paddle.

[HahaYeah]

Kompany is only 37 let's give him a chance.

[Cooclaret]

Hell fire, I’ve read it all now.

You do realise that Mourinho was on £10m at Roma and Lopetegui on £8m at Wolves? Not far fetched at all

I don’t know what they were on but those numbers sound feasible.

Where’s Jose going next? West Ham maybe? His seat at the top table is done. Crystal Palace or Burnley? What’s your choice?

Personally I think he will go to an International managers job next.

Lopetegui took a huge reputational hit walking out as he did on Wolves. The merry go round is coming, if it hasn’t already started.

People are keeping their jobs because of a lack of options in the market.

[Cooclaret]

Kompany is only 37 let's give him a chance.

Or, let him go and let him learn the managerial trade without ruining his and our reputation any further.

[willsclarets]

Unfortunately, all that Boskamp said when Kompany left Anderlecht is now playing out. Sadly he has proved that his is intellectually and temperamentally incapable of managing at the highest level

He's had less than a full season in the premier league. I think its unfortunately the case that most fans are intellectually and temperamentally incapable of having any sort of perspective or sense of time.

[HahaYeah]

After his performance in the Champ he deserves a better chance with us, he's earned it.

I believe he will get us back up (if we go down!) in style, again and do a lot better next time out with the experience gained this season.

[willsclarets]

Or, let him go and let him learn the managerial trade without ruining his and our reputation any further.

How in gods name is he ruining our reputation? Reputation as what?

[taio]

Mourinho

[Cooclaret]

How in gods name is he ruining our reputation? Reputation as what?

A stable premier league club.

A club that is attractive to invest in.

A club that plays football that is attractive to watch.

A progressive club.

A club that players want to come to.

Thank God Sheff United are in the same league.

[Ipreferaflan]

It's really sad to see how some fans forget how bad things were at the end of the relegation season. Aging squad with all our best players leaving; no manager; concerns about finances - yet the club has been rejuvenated with a fantastic, young manager who's learning his trade by sticking with the new club ethos of buying young players and backing them no matter what. I'm certainly proud to have Kompany representing this club and protecting young players who I'm sure he's aware aren't quite good enough yet.

Miserable and negative sums it up and some of you are happiest in this head space.

[Cooclaret]

After his performance in the Champ he deserves a better chance with us, he's earned it.

I believe he will get us back up (if we go down!) in style, again and do a lot better next time out with the experience gained this season.

He doesn’t appear to be learning and adapting to the challenge this season, how do you expect him to do so by having another season in the championship?

[HahaYeah]

He doesn’t appear to be learning and adapting to the challenge this season, how do you expect him to do so by having another season in the championship?

Dyche came back better and stronger,so can Kompany.

[willsclarets]

A stable premier league club.

A club that is attractive to invest in.

A club that plays football that is attractive to watch.

A progressive club.

A club that players want to come to.

Thank God Sheff United are in the same league.

1. How are we a stable premier league club when we weren't in it last year?
2. Our reputation before kompany came was anything but a club that was attractive to watch.
3. We are investing heavily in youth and potential, and trying to be at the forefront of match analysis and scouting via technology
4. Never seen so many players, particularly from Europe, seem delighted to come here specifically because of who is the manager

Pretty much the opposite of what you've stated by and large.

[Cooclaret]

1. How are we a stable premier league club when we weren't in it last year?
2. Our reputation before kompany came was anything but a club that was attractive to watch.
3. We are investing heavily in youth and potential, and trying to be at the forefront of match analysis and scouting via technology
4. Never seen so many players, particularly from Europe, seem delighted to come here specifically because of who is the manager

Pretty much the opposite of what you've stated by and large.

Which I feel Kompany and the turgid offering is ruining.

1. We could very much describe ourselves as a stable PL club. We’ve been in the league for many years. One blip doesn’t ruin that, two, three, we become unstable.
2. I agree, but that changed with the ownership wanting a change, Kompany delivering that, and now he’s ruining it by persisting with rather than learning from mentality.
3. Agree
4. Kompany was style over substance. How happy will those players be when Kompany goes and they’re left with a new reality?

[Culmclaret]

He's had less than a full season in the premier league. I think its unfortunately the case that most fans are intellectually and temperamentally incapable of having any sort of perspective or sense of time.

….but we are making NO progress whatsoever. We were dire yesterday. Fofana got us out of jail and he won’t be with us next season. We have taken precisely 6 points from teams who were in the PL last season. That is 6 points out of a possible 57. Pathetic. The model is that we buy young players and sell them at a profit; so how do you think that one is going? Boskamp was spot on in everything he said. You can kid yourself things will get better if you like

[Clovius Boofus]

I would try and try to get Jose. I don’t think that’s a s far fetched as you might think.

You owe me a cup of tea.

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[RVclaret]

….but we are making NO progress whatsoever. We were dire yesterday. Fofana got us out of jail and he won’t be with us next season. We have taken precisely 6 points from teams who were in the PL last season. That is 6 points out of a possible 57. Pathetic. The model is that we buy young players and sell them at a profit; so how do you think that one is going? Boskamp was spot on in everything he said. You can kid yourself things will get better if you like

Given West Ham and Brighton want Odobert, probably at 25-30m, I’d say signs are quite promising on how that one is going (won’t be the only one wanted).

[Pickles]

or I would try and try to get Jose. I don’t think that’s a s far fetched as you might think.

No, it's more farfetched than I could ever think. Genuinely up there with some of the most bizarre statements written on this messageboard.

[AlargeClaret]

Dyche came back better and stronger,so can Kompany.

But Dyche didn’t get 100+ million to spend after our 1st promotion , having Sordell and Juke up front etc , even then we fought hard and didn’t surrender .

[Clovius Boofus]

No, it's more farfetched than I could ever think. Genuinely up there with some of the most bizarre statements written on this messageboard.

It shows how deluded some of our fanbase are. Almost Blackburnesque levels of entitlement.

[CrosspoolClarets]

He's had less than a full season in the premier league. I think its unfortunately the case that most fans are intellectually and temperamentally incapable of having any sort of perspective or sense of time.

Well said.

Boskamp is a bitter old dinosaur. That interview from 18 months ago was a good example. His main thrusts were that the style of play was excellent but every Anderlecht manager has to win the league (bit disrespectful to the up and coming smaller teams imo) and scouting based on data is tosh.

I can see why many on here like him.

[Jakubclaret]

He’s not the type to sit around and he’d have plenty of offers I’m sure. As a young manager he needs to continue working to develop himself too. He’s already a v wealthy man so I doubt the over importance of his salary over his career choices.

He’ll be with us at least until next Christmas anyhoo

He might have offers but I'd question whether he would have better offers than the 1 he's already got that's the point. If pace decided to let him go he'd have to settle up & it wouldn't be cheap & that's probably the main reason why he's being so patient & persevering with him & then you've also got to bring the next person another additional expense. I think it'll get to the point where more & more people will start to turn & pace will be forced to do something, yesterday I think will be the beginning of the end IF things don't start improving.

[HahaYeah]

But Dyche didn’t get 100+ million to spend after our 1st promotion , having Sordell and Juke up front etc , even then we fought hard and didn’t surrender .

We haven't surrendered, you might have. It's likely that we may go down but's not tied on yet.

The 100+M has yet to show any profit but it's still early days, given time these players can improve and gel. It's too early to write Kompany and the team off.

[Holtyclaret]

He might have offers but I'd question whether he would have better offers than the 1 he's already got that's the point. If pace decided to let him go he'd have to settle up & it wouldn't be cheap & that's probably the main reason why he's being so patient & persevering with him & then you've also got to bring the next person another additional expense. I think it'll get to the point where more & more people will start to turn & pace will be forced to do something, yesterday I think will be the beginning of the end IF things don't start improving.

The cost of replacing vk won’t be part of any thoughts.

The patience and perseverance stem from employing a manager on the brief of heading up the project, to take the club from a to b within a reasonable timescale. We’re only at the start of it and they know vk is a rookie coach (with high potential) learning his trade and the players they have sanctioned will need time and development to become ‘premier league ready’.

18 months from now we’ll all have a better idea if we’re on track (by which time vk would have less time remaining on his contract).

[boyyanno]

The group that Dyche had was preforming better than the sum of it's parts. That's why I was happy for him to stay even when we got relegated- because he was still doing a good job with what he had available. When he left he had stopped getting the best out of the group (in my opinion) but little investment had also left us trailing behind a bit- but thats why I thought it was the right time for a change- regardless how good Dyche’s championship record was.

I've reached a point where I don't think Kompany is getting the best out of the group we have. I've thought it for a little while. Just like I didn't care that much about the fact that Dyche had taken us out of the Championship twice already I don't care too much about the fact that Kompany has done so. But here's the weird thing, as a Burnley fan I'm used to manager stability, it's what I want, so I keep saying well he deserves a bit more time and a bit more. But he's underperformed all year in my opinion and I'm not sure how long fans including myself can be patient for.

I'm not going to boo at games but I think I've reached a point where I'd not be against a change for the only reason that I don't think Kompany has got the best from this group. It has its flaws as a result of recruitment, for some of which I lay blame at his door too (but not all) but ignoring that I still think we've underperformed.

[Jakubclaret]

The cost of replacing vk won’t be part of any thoughts.

The patience and perseverance stem from employing a manager on the brief of heading up the project, to take the club from a to b within a reasonable timescale. We’re only at the start of it and they know vk is a rookie coach (with high potential) learning his trade and the players they have sanctioned will need time and development to become ‘premier league ready’.

18 months from now we’ll all have a better idea if we’re on track (by which time vk would have less time remaining on his contract).

I disagree finances are always a consideration even more so when it gets to the stage that relegation happens & some people stop going on. He isn't learning he hasn't learnt a single thing since getting promoted & there's not 1 single sign that'll change, I'm not knocking his management skills as a championship manager how can I after what he's already done but as a PL manager he's nothing short of being absolutely dreadful.

[Holtyclaret]

I disagree finances are always a consideration even more so when it gets to the stage that relegation happens & some people stop going on. He isn't learning he hasn't learnt a single thing since getting promoted & there's not 1 single sign that'll change, I'm not knocking his management skills as a championship manager how can I after what he's already done but as a PL manager he's nothing short of being absolutely dreadful.

I seem to remember it being pretty hard to get tickets last year in the championship?

Next time round, just like Dyche, vk will have the benefit of 12 months pl management experience.

Chicken and egg situation, very few managers you’d want to employ come with ready installed pl nous.

[Jakubclaret]

I seem to remember it being pretty hard to get tickets last year in the championship?

Next time round, just like Dyche, vk will have the benefit of 12 months pl management experience.

Chicken and egg situation, very few managers you’d want to employ come with ready installed pl nous.

I honestly think it doesn't matter what we all think of him whether we back him to come good or he ends up failing. The club can't really afford to sack him so it's grin & bear it & you just have to hope on that basis. I don't really blame Kompany it's paces fault for putting people on long contracts & then things changing the same happened with dyche fortunately dyche had abit about myself & Everton pulled pace out of the sh1t hiring dyche otherwise he'd still be receiving a wage from the club to this day.

[Holtyclaret]

I honestly think it doesn't matter what we all think of him whether we back him to come good or he ends up failing. The club can't really afford to sack him so it's grin & bear it & you just have to hope on that basis. I don't really blame Kompany it's paces fault for putting people on long contracts & then things changing the same happened with dyche fortunately dyche had abit about myself & Everton pulled pace out of the sh1t hiring dyche otherwise he'd still be receiving a wage from the club to this day.

In the grand scheme of things it really isn’t make or break amounts and it really isn’t of the importance or significance you are placing on it.

What is of importance is continuity and the understanding of what is trying to be achieved. Staying up or not isn’t the end of the world.

We’ll have to see in the fullness of time how things pan out but a step back to take two forward only suits those with more patience I guess.

[evensteadiereddie]

The cost of replacing vk won’t be part of any thoughts.

The patience and perseverance stem from employing a manager on the brief of heading up the project, to take the club from a to b within a reasonable timescale. We’re only at the start of it and they know vk is a rookie coach (with high potential) learning his trade and the players they have sanctioned will need time and development to become ‘premier league ready’.

18 months from now we’ll all have a better idea if we’re on track (by which time vk would have less time remaining on his contract).

A brilliant post, Holty.
I'd much rather be in our circumstances, a squad with enormous potential struggling to come to terms with a brutal league than the likes of Sheff Utd, Palace, Everton, even Luton - some of whom might just survive but will sink year on year.
We will probably go down this season but the flashes of skill we see from our players - if we want to - convince me that we'll come up next season.
We have some cracking young players, it is going to take time.
The bloke stood next to me in the CFS moaned from the kick off and droned on and on about anything and
everything he could even in the first 15 mins when we were the better side by far.
I enjoyed having a quiet go at him when we pulled the first back and even more so when the equaliser went in.
Even then, he wasn't particularly pleased
Just imagine going to a game determined to revel in misery and ignorance.
His best line had to be that Kompany "had lost the dressing room."
Where the hell do these people get their ideas from?

[Zom Zom]

They got a deflection, a lucky second and 1 other shot in the first half. Trafford makes some good saves in 2nd half and overall we had a better Xg 1.76 to 1.28

All 3 new signings looked promising

As frustrating as it has been, there's still a part of me that believes we may just get over the line. Admittedly, games against Fulham are the ones we need to look to be winning, and there's some free hits coming up shortly (Liverpool and Arsenal), but those aside, if the influence of the three new loanees are anything to go by, then who knows?

Stick with the lads.

[ClaretPete001]

I thought we started off well yesterday but only for 10 minutes or so. They began to take control of the game prior to their goal, which was 17 minutes in and after that they dominated until the substitutes came on around the hour mark. And I mean they looked different class, surprising given we gave them a good game at their place not that long ago.

After 60 minutes we had 3 new players on the pitch none of whom are well known or getting much game time for their respective clubs. I suppose it's self-evident that players released on-loan in January are not key to their clubs.
In all honesty, I thought it was pretty much the first time all season the players looked tired and out of ideas (Odobert aside), whether that was the formation and shape or just that they are beginning to lose a bit of heart I don't know.

I suspect the former because they started off well and with the introduction of new players on the hour mark and found a lot of heart to come back and grab a point. The big picture is we only just about grabbed a point at home against Fulham and now have 13 points in 23 games.

I take VKs point about introducing new players but many of us in the pre-game lineup thread picked a team with all 3 of them in because I presume most of us felt he had little choice but to take a chance.

And you feel, that says quite a lot about where we are at the moment.

[Wile E Coyote]

VK was one of the most impressive players of his era, he is now our manager.
some of the comments on here criticising his tactics and selections are beyond the Pail.
Pointless highlighting how great things were last season to some on here, but promotion to this level is a colossal step, he is attempting to bridge the gap week by week with comparatively meagre resources.
It must be as frustrating for him as it is for the fans, but his hands are tied to a large extent.
Were it not for his know how, we wouldnt be here now for the clowns to take pot shots at him.

[IanMcL]

He’s right that we started the first half quite well. We were the better side until Fulham scored the corner.

Correct. Then downhill.

[ClaretPete001]

A brilliant post, Holty.
I'd much rather be in our circumstances, a squad with enormous potential struggling to come to terms with a brutal league than the likes of Sheff Utd, Palace, Everton, even Luton - some of whom might just survive but will sink year on year.
We will probably go down this season but the flashes of skill we see from our players - if we want to - convince me that we'll come up next season.
We have some cracking young players, it is going to take time.
The bloke stood next to me in the CFS moaned from the kick off and droned on and on about anything and
everything he could even in the first 15 mins when we were the better side by far.
I enjoyed having a quiet go at him when we pulled the first back and even more so when the equaliser went in.
Even then, he wasn't particularly pleased
Just imagine going to a game determined to revel in misery and ignorance.
His best line had to be that Kompany "had lost the dressing room."
Where the hell do these people get their ideas from?

You could go to any academy in any of the top leagues in Europe and see quick, powerful young players who are technically competent, can do a gerzillion keepy uppies and can flick a football over their heads with their John Thomas.

The problem is they also have to be able to defend, track a runner, think their way through a game and expedite game management.

Odobert was probably our best player yesterday but he is 19 and he looked it. Amdouni could find a blind alley in the Sahara desert and run into it - that's the problem.

[burnleymik]

He rebuilt a squad from nothing and it went very well for us last season. He obviously didn't expect the success at the speed it came and felt we needed a better squad for the Prem. Unfortunately the players haven't all worked out and he has been trying to fit the tactics to suit the players he now has and it just hasn't worked. He will have learnt an incredible amount and we should stick by him, especially as the lads he has brought in this time look a lot more like what we need.

Kompany will get better and better IMO and as tough as it is now, stick with him and see how we go next season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

VK was one of the most impressive players of his era, he is now our manager.
some of the comments on here criticising his tactics and selections are beyond the Pail.
Pointless highlighting how great things were last season to some on here, but promotion to this level is a colossal step, he is attempting to bridge the gap week by week with comparatively meagre resources.
It must be as frustrating for him as it is for the fans, but his hands are tied to a large extent.
Were it not for his know how, we wouldnt be here now for the clowns to take pot shots at him.

Luton are completing dispelling this myth.

He’s just a bad manager

[BabylonClaret]

Luton are completing dispelling this myth.

He’s just a bad manager

This.

Someone further up the thread said once Fulham got into the game they looked really dominant.

Nearly everyone does at the moment. This team has zero heart. Which is unsurprising given we've got the worst ever record at the top table in the clubs history by a country mile.

My concern is that this side will struggle next season too

[evensteadiereddie]

You could go to any academy in any of the top leagues in Europe and see quick, powerful young players who are technically competent, can do a gerzillion keepy uppies and can flick a football over their heads with their John Thomas.

The problem is they also have to be able to defend, track a runner, think their way through a game and expedite game management.

Odobert was probably our best player yesterday but he is 19 and he looked it. Amdouni could find a blind alley in the Sahara desert and run into it - that's the problem.

I agree. We're inexperienced.
The big question is will these excellent young players develop and learn with experience and guidance.
I think they will and VK is the man to help them do it.

[Rileybobs]

Luton are completing dispelling this myth.

He’s just a bad manager

A bad manager? He just completely romped the Championship.

A manager who lacks the experience and maybe the skills to work at the top level, perhaps as things stand, but that doesn’t make him a bad manager. This kind of hyperbole does you no favours.