TRAFFORD (AGAIN)

[Casper2]

I've just back from the game, there was plenty of harmony and graft in today's performance.
It was a game we should have won and much improved although it doesn't suit the whingers'agenda to acknowledge that.

We lost though ,a poor Bournemouth had better chances than us

[CoolClaret]

I've just back from the game, there was plenty of harmony and graft in today's performance.
It was a game we should have won and much improved although it doesn't suit the whingers'agenda to acknowledge that.

You make it sound like we're a team thats got more than 13 points. '

Should have won' - did we? That's the difference; teams with that extra bit in them WOULD win that game.

Dyche referred to it many a time - almost as though you can 'smell' it on them.

We are a shadow. I cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone cannot see that.

[spt_claret]

Why? He isn’t good enough and is making constant mistakes costing the team a lot of goals and points. He deserves all he gets.

I've been on the Muric side of the debate since pre season, been 100% convinced there's nothing to be lost by swapping keepers since late October. This is a disgraceful sentiment. No surprise coming from you given you were never satisified under Dyche, you and StayingDown4Ever seem to always need to have a boo boy to hurl abuse upon however things are going, for you it was Dyche, for him it used to be Foster.

Trafford is miles off the Prem. He's overexposed, he's on a hiding to nothing he's blatantly not good enough. But you never, ever, boo or jeer your own. Even if you think they're crap. Even if you think they're lazy- they're not likely to be motivated to try harder by booing, it's for the manager to give them a bollocking.

The reality is, us cheering or booing players will never influence Kompany's thinking. Hes not swayed, he doesn't care, he's working on his own logic that isn't even considering performances on the pitch so certainly won't consider what we think. The guy gets paid in a week more than some of us get in two years, he's never gonna give one toss what we think.

All we can do as fans is vent opinions & frustrations appropriately, and get behind the players as best we can. It's practically a weekly humilation for Trafford at this point as it is, he doesn't deserve his own fans compounding it, the guy isn't good enough but neither are a bunch of them- Jay is miles below the level needed and would never be booed. If Andy Payton dusted off his boots he'd be an embarrassment but he wouldn't warrant booing. It serves nothing, and it blatantly achieves nothing - Kompany is never, ever, going to be swayed. He's far beyond Dyche for stubbornness.

Call for Kompany Out if you want, call for Trafford to be dropped, but don't boo the lad.

[jlup1980]

Stop reading here

Do you think he's really getting that much abuse? I sit in the Jimmy Mac and I don't think he was getting pelters all day. There were moans and the odd boo when he messed up his distribution but not as much as some are suggesting.

[Darthlaw]

Do you think he's really getting that much abuse? I sit in the Jimmy Mac and I don't think he was getting pelters all day. There were moans and the odd boo when he messed up his distribution but not as much as some are suggesting.

I don’t remember many players getting boo’d when their name was announced in the starting lineup.

The chanting for Muric (after one misplaced pass where no outfield player made space) was pretty unique.

Regardless. If you wish to justify the abuse of your own player, crack on.

[Leisure]

Have you not realised there's probably only 3 people left defending his selections now?

Talking even more boll**ks than usual! And it's not a case of defending him, it's called supporting your player!

[jlup1980]

I don’t remember many players getting boo’d when their name was announced in the starting lineup.

The chanting for Muric (after one misplaced pass where no outfield player made space) was pretty unique.

Regardless. If you wish to justify the abuse of your own player, crack on.

I'm not justifying anything, just asking the question. I arrived very late today, just as the players were coming out. I didn't pay much attention to the line up. I heard a small amount of Muric chanting but it was clearly a minority. As I've said previously, it's all on VK anyway and I suspect the abuse is aimed more at him than Trafford. It's not good for the kid though.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

You’d have to be a massive muppet to want to play a keeper that has conceded 60 goals in 27 games even if the whole team is shite as most of you say they are.

Only player not changed this season, come on, its absolutely stupid whichever way you cut it.

If fans are frustrated in seeing him every week you can’t blame them. Do you just want them to clap like mutes or something. Bizarre.

[Darthlaw]

I'm not justifying anything, just asking the question. I arrived very late today, just as the players were coming out. I didn't pay much attention to the line up. I heard a small amount of Muric chanting but it was clearly a minority. As I've said previously, it's all on VK anyway and I suspect the abuse is aimed more at him than Trafford. It's not good for the kid though.

That’s fair, although abuse in game shortly after a misplaced pass from Trafford is never going to be constructive/motivational is it?

Interestingly, I’ve never used the ‘foe’ function previously, but adding 4-5 prominent members on this thread particularly has made this board so much more tolerable again.

Regardless, I don’t think you’ll find anyone sane who’ll suggest Trafford has had an amazing season. Similarly I don’t think you’ll find one with an IQ greater than their shoe size who will believe abuse of one of our own is useful.

[mickleoverclaret]

Correct, they prefer to make things up to back up their ridiculous agendas, than to admit we were good in the main today, one defensive error and not clinical enough up front.
Some of the build up play was as good as we've been all season

If people had an "agenda" to criticise the performance of the team or the manager this season, they would hardly have to make anything up to do so.

[Nori1958]

You’d have to be a massive muppet to want to play a keeper that has conceded 60 goals in 27 games even if the whole team is shite as most of you say they are.

Only player not changed this season, come on, its absolutely stupid whichever way you cut it.

If fans are frustrated in seeing him every week you can’t blame them. Do you just want them to clap like mutes or something. Bizarre.

Just keep quiet, don't clap but don't boo

[Spindles]

The chanting for Muric (after one misplaced pass where no outfield player made space) was pretty unique.

Stop making things up, you call out others for it....He misplaced a simple pass straight to a Bournemouth - not condoning the booing but don't make out it wasn't a dreadful error that could have cost us.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Just keep quiet, don't clap but don't boo

Yes main coronel

[Darthlaw]

Stop making things up, you call out others for it....He misplaced a simple pass straight to a Bournemouth - not condoning the booing but don't make out it wasn't a dreadful error that could have cost us.

Sure…

The one he knocked out of play was ‘straight to a Bournemouth’. Even then ‘that could have cost us’.

You keep justifying that abuse

[Nori1958]

Yes main coronel

If only I knew what that meant

[BurnleyFC]

I've just back from the game, there was plenty of harmony and graft in today's performance.
It was a game we should have won and much improved although it doesn't suit the whingers'agenda to acknowledge that.

Hmmm.

I thought it should’ve been about 4-1 to Bournemouth - they missed some glorious chances.

We huffed and we puffed but we’d still be puffing now trying to blow their house down.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

If only I knew what that meant

Say it in a 1945 german accent

[Spindles]

Sure…

The one he knocked out of play was ‘straight to a Bournemouth’. Even then ‘that could have cost us’.

You keep justifying that abuse

Obviously not any of the kicks to touch, but you know that. I'm talking about the pass directly to one of the Bournemouth players in the first half that led to booing from the crowd.

And can you not read where I said " not condoning the booing"

People have a legitimate view of Trafford's shortcomings but you don't even accept that. Stop it, you're making yourself look silly.

[Darthlaw]

We huffed and we puffed but we’d still be puffing now trying to blow their house down.

Verbatim this is what I said coming out of the ground

[Nori1958]

If people had an "agenda" to criticise the performance of the team or the manager this season, they would hardly have to make anything up to do so.

And yet they do
I have no problem people criticising players or manager if its factually correct, but StayingDown4Ever rant at half time was just 100% false, made up, lies, call it what you want.

[taio]

Hmmm.

I thought it should’ve been about 4-1 to Bournemouth - they missed some glorious chances.

We huffed and we puffed but we’d still be puffing now trying to blow their house down.

You're seeing what you want to see. I can't comprehend how someone could watch the game today and conclude Bournemouth should have won 4-1

[Darthlaw]

Obviously not any of the kicks to touch, but you know that. I'm talking about the pass directly to one of the Bournemouth players in the first half that led to booking from the crowd.

And can you not read where I said " not condoning the booing"

People have a legitimate view of Trafford's shortcomings but you don't even accept that. Stop it, you're making yourself look silly.

Again, sure….

I haven’t defended Trafford in a long time but point out the abuse he receives.

I realise not persecuting the lad for every error the team makes is not a popular view but it’s a hill I’m prepared to die on. If that makes me look silly then fair enough.

[BurnleyFC]

You're seeing what you want to see. I can't comprehend how someone could watch the game today and conclude Bournemouth should have won 4-1

Well they scored two and missed at least one sitter and one glorious chance in the second half.

Vitinho should’ve scored for us.

[taio]

Well they scored two and missed at least one sitter and one glorious chance in the second half.

Vitinho should’ve scored for us.

Only Vitinho should've scored - OK.

[Row Z]

Correct, they prefer to make things up to back up their ridiculous agendas, than to admit we were good in the main today, one defensive error and not clinical enough up front.
Some of the build up play was as good as we've been all season

Disagree with this. We were good first 10 and had a lot of the ball throughout the game, but other than the free kick don’t remember us creating any chances or working their keeper.

In contrast, Bournemouth created 3/4 great chances second half and it could have easily been more for them.

Agree that first half the one error was the difference between the sides at half time but we didn’t create anything of note in response.

Didn’t think Trafford was at fault for either goal, but even Bournemouth fans were enjoying him getting the ball.

[BurnleyFC]

Only Vitinho should've scored - OK.

Who else then? Odobert first half perhaps. Bruun Larsen’s was a good free kick but they don’t go in all that often.

The disallowed goal was a foul, by the way.

[BurnleyFC]

Disagree with this. We were good first 10 and had a lot of the ball throughout the game, but other than the free kick don’t remember us creating any chances or working their keeper.

In contrast, Bournemouth created 3/4 great chances second half and it could have easily been more for them.

Agree that first half the one error was the difference between the sides at half time but we didn’t create anything of note in response.

Didn’t think Trafford was at fault for either goal, but even Bournemouth fans were enjoying him getting the ball.

This is exactly how I saw the game.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

If opposing fans are enjoying him having the ball then that kind of gives a clue on how poor he is.

[Sheedyclaret]

Hmmm.

I thought it should’ve been about 4-1 to Bournemouth - they missed some glorious chances.

We huffed and we puffed but we’d still be puffing now trying to blow their house down.

Correct we were wide open yet again Bournemouth could of had 3,4 or 5

[Leisure]

You’d have to be a massive muppet to want to play a keeper that has conceded 60 goals in 27 games even if the whole team is shite as most of you say they are.

Only player not changed this season, come on, its absolutely stupid whichever way you cut it.

If fans are frustrated in seeing him every week you can’t blame them. Do you just want them to clap like mutes or something. Bizarre.

No, I don't be expect them to clap him but just what they think that booing him will achieve I'd like to know????

[Leisure]

Are people booing Trafford, or the decision to keep playing him?

Would love to know what those booing Trafford hope to achieve??? Certainly isn't going to help him or the team!

[taio]

You’d have to be a massive muppet to want to play a keeper that has conceded 60 goals in 27 games even if the whole team is shite as most of you say they are.

Only player not changed this season, come on, its absolutely stupid whichever way you cut it.

If fans are frustrated in seeing him every week you can’t blame them. Do you just want them to clap like mutes or something. Bizarre.

You'd have to be a massive muppet to perpetually post strong and negative views on here and then confess you don't even watch our games.

[Elizabeth]

The number of times he was out of his box with his foot on the ball thinking what to do with the ball was unreal.
Some will argue there was no movement in front of him but I feel it's more than that. My take on it is that he doesn't know what to do with the ball

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

You'd have to be a massive muppet to perpetually post strong and negative views on here and then confess you don't even watch our games.

Your a real tough guy behind your keyboard arent you i bet your really scary in person

[taio]

Your a real tough guy behind your keyboard arent you i bet your really scary in person

You're x 2

[Hapag Lloyd]

Your a real tough guy behind your keyboard arent you i bet your really scary in person

Is that the best you’ve got?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

You're x 2

I thought you were a tough guy? you still working at Burnley hospital? Ill come and have a chat if you want.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Is that the best you’ve got?

[dougcollins]

There were a lot of worse performances on that field than Trafford today.

Try looking at the defenders who gave him two unstoppable goals.

[taio]

I thought you were a tough guy? you still working at Burnley hospital? Ill come and have a chat if you want.

I have never worked at Burnley hospital.

[mickleoverclaret]

Would love to know what those booing Trafford hope to achieve??? Certainly isn't going to help him or the team!

I don't boo Trafford so I can't speak for them, but I don't imagine they're trying to achieve anything other than venting their understandable frustration.

[IanMcL]

Trafford

I think (hope) you are wrong, there, Nori.

The lad dies his best and makes some saves. Not a booing offence.

I think it is the same as cheating and chatting for Manuel Benson. Trafford is already on the pitch, against crowd will, so booj g is to send a message to Kimpaby, to do the right thing and change him out.

[bumba]

Talking even more boll**ks than usual! And it's not a case of defending him, it's called supporting your player!

I'd rather he wasn't out player

[bumba]

Don’t worry, we’re just getting to the stage of the evening where Nori throws his toys out the pram and comes out with his classic “I am staying away from this forum after defeats from now on and I won’t be posting anything further until tomorrow” (but then posts something else 20 minutes later)

I've already seen his famous 'agenda' thrown about

[bumba]

Making things up again.... I never said he was 10/10, I've admitted he made the bad pass you describe
Iam not defending his selection
What I am saying, and getting bored of it now, is that he didn't pass it directly to a Bournemouth player 3 times in the 1st half as claimed by your mate

If he kicks it straight out of play for no reason then in theory he is passing to a Bournemouth player because they regain possession which actually happened more than three times

[Leisure]

If opposing fans are enjoying him having the ball then that kind of gives a clue on how poor he is.

You serious!

[Leisure]

If he kicks it straight out of play for no reason then in theory he is passing to a Bournemouth player because they regain possession which actually happened more than three times

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

No, I don't be expect them to clap him but just what they think that booing him will achieve I'd like to know????

Yeah booing's not going to work but how else can they show their displeasure, Boo the manager chant Muric? They are pretty limited from the stands.

[Leisure]

Yeah booing's not going to work but how else can they show their displeasure, Boo the manager chant Muric? They are pretty limited from the stands.

Can't really, just support him and the team. Booing is only likely to be counter productive.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

You serious!

Pretty much and they’ve at least only had to watch him twice this season. Was it Bournemouth away when we got chipped from near the half way line?