JJ Watt...

[CoolClaret]

Nothing wrong with it.
But football is not a normal business.
I have never seen anything that JJ Watt has posted about Burnley which for one second would make me think he would be coming over to Burnley in March to go through KPIs with VK.
It’s pretty clear why that particular poster mentioned this - let’s not pussy foot around this by pretending he was just putting it out there to generate debate.

Never said he'd be doing that in particular - I said he's here for an extended period and inferred that during that time he maybe involved with board talks on the season/summer/next season - with him being a part owner (to what extent I do not know) but it certainly looks like he has a quite a significant stake in Burnley.

I just threw 'KPIs' out there as some verbage, but you 'crack on' believing what you want and deliberately misappropriating my posts as you always do.

[CoolClaret]

Nobody has a clue why hes here for a month. The most likely reason is that he wants to spend a longer time here and get more ingrained within the club rather than just making passing visits. Simple things like attending meetings in person, getting to know staff in and around the club etc.
There's also probably an important meeting that hes tieing it in with. Maybe potential budgets for next season being finalised etc.
All speculation though.

Thanks for a rational response - that's all I was asking.

[Big Vinny K]

Never said he'd be doing that in particular - I said he's here for an extended period and inferred that during that time he maybe involved with board talks on the season/summer/next season - with him being a part owner (to what extent I do not know) but it certainly looks like he has a quite a significant stake in Burnley.

I just threw 'KPIs' out there as some verbage, but you 'crack on' believing what you want and deliberately misappropriating my posts as you always do.

Just say it as it is.
You are wondering whether JJ Watt will sit down with the owners and discuss sacking VK.

[tarkys_ears]

5 games.

He's clearly travelling around taking in home and away games.

It's called a "holiday" or "vacation" if you will whilst he oversees his business interests.

Rocket science?

[Westleigh]

Don’t know about KPI’s for us mortals Key Performance Indicators,more about NPI’s None Performance Indicators,must be a few of them for JJ to have a look at ,like the set piece coach with one positive in 20 odd games .

[forzagranata]

He needs to come up with something else to talk about on American tv instead of trying to explain what a 'Benny and Hot' is for the sixth time.

Although fair play to him for 'building the brand' in the USA - the Benedictine brand that is.

[Nori1958]

Don’t know about KPI’s for us mortals Key Performance Indicators,more about NPI’s None Performance Indicators,must be a few of them for JJ to have a look at ,like the set piece coach with one positive in 20 odd games .

I hope you're not counting yesterday as a success for the set piece coach

[Paul Waine]

I hear that JJ Watt will be reviewing all season ticket applications for next season. I hear there are plans to weed out all those that have been critical of Vincent Kompany, Alan Pace and the team.

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[fidelcastro]

I hear that JJ Watt will be reviewing all season ticket applications for next season. I hear there are plans to weed out all those that have been critical of Vincent Kompany, Alan Pace and the team.

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Expect gates of around 300 next season then!

[Westleigh]

I hope you're not counting yesterday as a success for the set piece coach

We did score from a corner didn’t we?

[fidelcastro]

We did score from a corner didn’t we?

We manage to get one beyond the neat post, and hey presto, we score!

[Nori1958]

We did score from a corner didn’t we?

A standard corner, high into the box for the big guys to get a head to. That would suggest to me the players ignored anything he said and went back to basics, I don't think a set piece coach can take any credit for that

[Nori1958]

I hear that JJ Watt will be reviewing all season ticket applications for next season. I hear there are plans to weed out all those that have been critical of Vincent Kompany, Alan Pace and the team.

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That's fine, most of those don't go to the games anyway

[Westleigh]

A standard corner, high into the box for the big guys to get a head to. That would suggest to me the players ignored anything he said and went back to basics, I don't think a set piece coach can take any credit for that

Goodness is that negativity to our Set Piece Coach ,are you finally seeing the light,and how do you know who does ,and who doesn’t go on the Turf,and by the way I’m missing next Saturday’s match because I’m still away but my 6’6” mate is in my seat so if you have a good search you may find where I sit.

[Cooclaret]

That's fine, most of those don't go to the games anyway

I think there’s some people who are critical of Kompany, some of the board, lots of people about the nationality of the owners.

I’m Kompany out, and I’m very pro board.

I think there are groups very left sitting, and groups very right sitting and not many sat in the middle.

[Nori1958]

Goodness is that negativity to our Set Piece Coach ,are you finally seeing the light,and how do you know who does ,and who doesn’t go on the Turf,and by the way I’m missing next Saturday’s match because I’m still away but my 6’6” mate is in my seat so if you have a good search you may find where I sit.

I'd lay off the tropical if I was you

[DingleDangle]

It's the Premier League mate.

I don't think the side is performing like it should and these are highly paid professionals. I'm critical of Trafford because I don't believe he's done anything to warrant his continued inclusion at all and I'm more than happy to be proven wrong on that.

Same with Amdouni - the 15 minute man. Again, these aren't plucky youngsters on a Cup run - they're highly paid professionals and I just don't think it's good enough.

Well done, you identified we're in the Premier League. A way more higher class division than we were playing in last season with very much higher class, experienced players, squads and managers than we came up against last season.

Regardless of how much players are paid, that's from your perspective and shows quite clearly why you're not the manager of BFC and VK is.

Do you not think that part of the manager's job is to nurture these young players, boost their self esteem and confidence, getting them to believe in themselves, the system and the way he wants them and the team to play. To help them improve, not only on their abilities, but provide them with the tools to gain experience? And possibly more besides that? They have to start somewhere and this season, the Premier League is it.

Whereas the way you look at it, calling them names and dropping them after a few mistakes is going to more or less demoralise them and not help them to learn anything, other than how crap you've made them feel.

What is the point of calling Amdouni that name? Would you call him that to his face, or is it ok to call him that because you're hiding behind a mobile/pc type screen? Do you get great satisfaction for calling out and sticking the boot on the young players that play for the club you support?

As to any pressure that VK may be feeling at the moment, I'm betting it's exponentially in a lot more ways than you can think of. Starting with pressure from some of the fans of the club.

P.s. you still haven't answered my question about your last statement in your original post.

[Vegas Claret]

Depends what the long term goal is, if it's to be competitive in the PL then maybe not - not to mention that squad last season had significant influence from Dyche's tenure - I think all of them will be OOC so I'm not sure who's providing that solid spine,

Anything under 25 points would be a monumental failure for me and that would carry on to the next season.

It's not like a brand new fresh start like it was in summer 2022.

if the team we put out yesterday played in the Championship (I know it wouldn't happen) and played like they did I'd expect us to get over 110 points in the Championship next season.

[LoveCurryPies]

I suspect he’s coming over to help motivate the players and raise their spirits given the huge amount of negativity of many so called fans!

We are playing the finest clubs in the country yet a lot of forum posters seem to think we should be beating the likes o Liverpool and Man City.

[fidelcastro]

I suspect he’s coming over to help motivate the players and raise their spirits given the huge amount of negativity of many so called fans!

We are playing the finest clubs in the country yet a lot of forum posters seem to think we should be beating the likes o Liverpool and Man City.

I haven't read any post that claimed we should be beating the likes of Liverpool and Manchester City.

Beating the likes of Luton and Fulham would be a more realistic ambition.

[Vegas Claret]

I haven't read any post that claimed we should be beating the likes of Liverpool and Manchester City.

Beating the likes of Luton and Fulham would be a more realistic ambition.

sport will never work on the premise of 'should'

[Nori1958]

I haven't read any post that claimed we should be beating the likes of Liverpool and Manchester City.

Beating the likes of Luton and Fulham would be a more realistic ambition.

An ambition we've reached against both teams this season

[CoolClaret]

if the team we put out yesterday played in the Championship (I know it wouldn't happen) and played like they did I'd expect us to get over 110 points in the Championship next season.

Doesn't really work like that though does it?

Well done, you identified we're in the Premier League. A way more higher class division than we were playing in last season with very much higher class, experienced players, squads and managers than we came up against last season.

I think your post is a bit strange and seems to have it in for me as a fan that's simply pointing out this season is shocking and I'm bored of the excuses - we're literally on pace for less than 21 points which is absolutely honking.

Do you not think that part of the manager's job is to nurture these young players, boost their self esteem and confidence, getting them to believe in themselves, the system and the way he wants them and the team to play. To help them improve, not only on their abilities, but provide them with the tools to gain experience? And possibly more besides that? They have to start somewhere and this season, the Premier League is it.

I think the managers job is to put out a team to compete and have more than 3 wins in 24 games.

VK chose this lot, he was backed handsomely. If it's his job to 'nurture' and 'boost their self esteem and confidence' then he's doing a very poor job at it - particularly with JT because he isn't improving and I don't think being in the firing line every week is doing anything for his development/self esteem or confidence.

Whereas the way you look at it, calling them names and dropping them after a few mistakes is going to more or less demoralise them and not help them to learn anything, other than how crap you've made them feel.

What is the point of calling Amdouni that name? Would you call him that to his face, or is it ok to call him that because you're hiding behind a mobile/pc type screen? Do you get great satisfaction for calling out and sticking the boot on the young players that play for the club you support?

He is a fifteen minute man and I don't think he does enough with the ball to warrant his selection because his work off the ball is appalling.
I'd happily say that I don't think he's performing well enough but he probably knows that himself.

As to any pressure that VK may be feeling at the moment, I'm betting it's exponentially in a lot more ways than you can think of. Starting with pressure from some of the fans of the club.

P.s. you still haven't answered my question about your last statement in your original post.

Good! So he should. It isn't the development squad it's an extremely competitive, lucrative division. I'd accept all that you're saying if we came up as plucky underdogs that have never kicked a ball in the prem before and had no business being here but that isn't the case.

I was wondering what plans JJ/ALK etc may have, that's all.

[Boss Hogg]

I suspect he’s coming over to help motivate the players and raise their spirits given the huge amount of negativity of many so called fans!

We are playing the finest clubs in the country yet a lot of forum posters seem to think we should be beating the likes o Liverpool and Man City.

He isn’t. Most forum posters don’t. Think many expect a better points tally considering the amount of investment. They also expect underperforming players to be dropped and not to keep getting picked.

[CoolClaret]

He isn’t. Most forum posters don’t. Think many expect a better points tally considering the amount of investment. They also expect underperforming players to be dropped and not to keep getting picked.

This is all it is.

It's not that hard to grasp. No one being rational is expecting us to steam roll Liverpool and City ffs

[Lord_Bob]

Not posted a link before, but here goes - the actual interview with JJ Watt, maybe if everyone actually listened to what was said, there might not be so much BS and speculation on here:

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsGolazo/sta ... 7738906736

[CoolClaret]

Not posted a link before, but here goes - the actual interview with JJ Watt, maybe if everyone actually listened to what was said, there might not be so much BS and speculation on here:

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsGolazo/sta ... 7738906736

It's in the first few posts on this thread mate!

[Lord_Bob]

Sorry, just scanned through this and assumed no-one had seen it because it's very clear at the end how highly he thinks of VK.

[Vegas Claret]

Doesn't really work like that though does it?

you see the word 'IF'..........that was the clue mate !

[fidelcastro]

sport will never work on the premise of 'should'

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

[fidelcastro]

An ambition we've reached against both teams this season

You knew full well what I meant. We failed to beat either at home. It's results like those that have people questioning the manager's tactics, team selection, capabilities etc.

[Nori1958]

You knew full well what I meant. We failed to beat either at home. It's results like those that have people questioning the manager's tactics, team selection, capabilities etc.

Sorry, not a mind reader, I was just going off what you actually said.
I don't think tactics had anything to do with not winning against Luton, and after a poor first half against Fulham, his tactics, selection etc got us back into the game... So you might have a point for 45 mins out of those two games

[DingleDangle]

I think your post is a bit strange and seems to have it in for me as a fan that's simply pointing out this season is shocking and I'm bored of the excuses - we're literally on pace for less than 21 points which is absolutely honking.

Absolutely nothing strange about my post at all. You started the thread and seem very vocal in the negative, I'm just merely asking you questions back from a positive and different perspective from yourself. If you think I "have it in for you", then you maybe need to toughen up a bit and think about having some time away from the message board.


I think the managers job is to put out a team to compete and have more than 3 wins in 24 games.

He does put a competitive team out every time they play. You just choose to look on from a negative point of view and don't see the alternative. Do you believe that he's purposely not putting out competitive teams, or what exactly? Whether you believe it or not, there have been other factors that have cost us points. Added to that, we've had injuries too. But to think that VK doesn't put out competitive teams, is just ludicrous.

VK chose this lot, he was backed handsomely. If it's his job to 'nurture' and 'boost their self esteem and confidence' then he's doing a very poor job at it - particularly with JT because he isn't improving and I don't think being in the firing line every week is doing anything for his development/self esteem or confidence.

How do you know that he's doing a poor job of nurturing etc these young players? Are you privy to what goes on behind the scenes? As I said, the players have to learn and gain experience somehow and giving them playing time in the Premier League will do just that, as well as being in the knowledge that the manager isn't going to just drop them for making a few mistakes, helping to boost their confidence and self esteem along the way.

I think JT is improving and has improved, in certain aspects. He will get better with the experience he's gaining this season. Learn from mistakes etc. However, dropping him after a few mistakes won't help his confidence one bit.



He is a fifteen minute man and I don't think he does enough with the ball to warrant his selection because his work off the ball is appalling.
I'd happily say that I don't think he's performing well enough but he probably knows that himself.

A bit pathetic to label him as such imo. I think there's a very good player in there. However, as you quite correctly identified, we are in the Premier League. A world class league, with world class players, squads and managers. As I say, imo we peaked too soon and the players he brought in this season had already been identified and scouted last season, to then bring in this season. Amdouni is a new player, playing in a new country, playing in a new system, in a new team.......all while playing in a WORLD CLASS PREMIER LEAGUE. Why not get behind Amdouni, instead of calling him out and calling him names?.


Good! So he should. It isn't the development squad it's an extremely competitive, lucrative division. I'd accept all that you're saying if we came up as plucky underdogs that have never kicked a ball in the prem before and had no business being here but that isn't the case.

Errrm, most of these players have never kicked a ball in the Premier League before......unless I'm mistaken?

Like I keep saying, the Premier League is a completely different ball game to the Championship. You don't seem to be able to grasp that concept.

I was wondering what plans JJ/ALK etc may have, that's all.

Who knows. Bit of an odd statement to type if all we can do is speculate and/or you're just thinking out loud?

[Vegas Claret]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

ffs I didn't even mean to quote you mate, I need to stop coming on here until at least 9 am

[fidelcastro]

Sorry, not a mind reader, I was just going off what you actually said.
I don't think tactics had anything to do with not winning against Luton, and after a poor first half against Fulham, his tactics, selection etc got us back into the game... So you might have a point for 45 mins out of those two games

Not really. We've played both recently, so it was obvious what I meant to even the most intellectually challenged posters.

As for the games. We didn't deserve to win either of them. That's the point. Miles ahead of Luton last season and we failed to beat them when we needed to. Fulham for the most part looked way better than us and we scrape a point in another game we needed the three points.

This is why fans are a combination of bored, frustrated, angry and cynical.

[CoolClaret]

Who knows. Bit of an odd statement to type if all we can do is speculate and/or you're just thinking out loud?

I'm 'positive' when there's reasons to be positive and 'negative' when I think there's reason to be negative, that simple.

I know the PL is difficult. We've been in it for most of the last decade - never faired this poorly though and never spent this much either (and you can include inflation on that as well)

I think VK should be getting more out of the squad that he has and the league table reflects that sentiment.

Just get ticked off when I see the keeper continually offer 0 presence at the back when the lad that got us up was binned off for no reason then when we're 2-1/3-1 down and have a genuine match winner (albeit at a lower level) sat on the bench he brings Berge into CB and puts Massengo on?

Non of it makes sense. Very strange season - like being in the twilight zone/perpetual groundhog day.

[Nori1958]

Not really. We've played both recently, so it was obvious what I meant to even the most intellectually challenged posters.

As for the games. We didn't deserve to win either of them. That's the point. Miles ahead of Luton last season and we failed to beat them when we needed to. Fulham for the most part looked way better than us and we scrape a point in another game we needed the three points.

This is why fans are a combination of bored, frustrated, angry and cynical.

We were a bad ref/VAR decision from taking 10 points from a possible 12 against those teams, why people should be angry, cynical, bored or frustrated at that is strange... But then again!

[fidelcastro]

We were a bad ref/VAR decision from taking 10 points from a possible 12 against those teams, why people should be angry, cynical, bored or frustrated at that is strange... But then again!

We didnt deserve to win either game, but it's not just those two either, is it?

There have been plenty of winnable games where we've just not turned up or had the usual hard luck stories.

All you need to do is look at our points total as proof of that.

[Nori1958]

We didnt deserve to win either game, but it's not just those two either, is it?

There have been plenty of winnable games where we've just not turned up or had the usual hard luck stories.

All you need to do is look at our points total as proof of that.

If you're complaining about winning games we didn't deserve to then I give up

Yes there has been other games, but you only mentioned those two teams, as you say even the most intellectually challenged would have thought that you meant those two teams, not Brentford or west ham or any other team you suddenly decide

[fidelcastro]

If you're complaining about winning games we didn't deserve to then I give up

Yes there has been other games, but you only mentioned those two teams, as you say even the most intellectually challenged would have thought that you meant those two teams, not Brentford or west ham or any other team you suddenly decide

My initial point was to answer LCP's post that people were expecting us to be beating the likes of Manchester city and Liverpool. No one is expecting that, but they would be hopeful of beating Luton Town and Fulham in must win games.

It was you that decided to be a complete pedant and referred to games played much earlier.

Don't bother replying. You're going on my foe list, like I suspect you're on many people's!

[Longsidejono]

We are a championship team and vk has shown that he can compete in that league why would there be any pressure?

This season proved that money doesn’t buy survival the only important part of this season is who can we keep

Vk stays we go from benson zaroury on the wings to oderbert and koleosho not fazed at all get someone new in then the problems start

[Westleigh]

We were a bad ref/VAR decision from taking 10 points from a possible 12 against those teams, why people should be angry, cynical, bored or frustrated at that is strange... But then again!

That arguments been done to death ,a table last week showing the season without VAR leaves us next to the bottom and 6 points off safety.

[Westleigh]

My initial point was to answer LCP's post that people were expecting us to be beating the likes of Manchester city and Liverpool. No one is expecting that, but they would be hopeful of beating Luton Town and Fulham in must win games.

It was you that decided to be a complete pedant and referred to games played much earlier.

Don't bother replying. You're going on my foe list, like I suspect you're on many people's!

If Nori was put on a foes list for everyone he argued with the board may as well shut down ,he’d start an argument in a telephone box.

[Nori1958]

If Nori was put on a foes list for everyone he argued with the board may as well shut down ,he’d start an argument in a telephone box.

It's called a discussion, it's just some people think it's an argument and hate losing that argument, surely we're not meant to agree with everything that's said, are we?

[Westleigh]

It's called a discussion, it's just some people think it's an argument and hate losing that argument, surely we're not meant to agree with everything that's said, are we?

Nori you never agree with anyone ,I’ve seen at least 3 different posts this afternoon that you’ve finished up arguing( not discussing) with different posters.

[Nori1958]

Nori you never agree with anyone ,I’ve seen at least 3 different posts this afternoon that you’ve finished up arguing( not discussing) with different posters.

Relax, you're on holiday

[Westleigh]

Relax, you're on holiday

Watched both matches today ,unfortunately they’re all on another planet to us.

[Hapag Lloyd]

Watched both matches today ,unfortunately they’re all on another planet to us.

Must be raining in the Canaries.

[Nori1958]

Watched both matches today ,unfortunately they’re all on another planet to us.

Just to show i don't always disagree, you're right, West ham to a lesser degree today, but normally yes

[Vincent'sCap]

Must be raining in the Canaries.