Navalny has died

[Stalbansclaret]

Just seen a newsflash that the Russian opposition activist/politician has died in the gulag Putin put him in after his earlier attempt to poison him failed.
Terrible news ….. what kind of world order have we created where a murderous tyrant like Putin is just allowed to continue killing anyone who opposes him ?
The bbc documentary Navalny will fill you in on the background if you haven’t seen it.

[Boss Hogg]

Collapsed and died while taking a walk. Of course he did. Wonder what he was jabbed with.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Another victim of Putin the monster

[Aclaret]

Mustn't have been any high buildings to " fall" out of.

[beddie]

The poor guy must have known it would probably happen at sometime. When will the people of Russia wake up?

[blake's wand]

The Navalny documentary is brilliant - investigating his own poisoning. Really sad to hear the news.

[alf_resco]

RIP Alexei Navalny - a true hero.

[Cirrus_Minor]

Very brave man. Makes you wonder what ordinary Russian people think when they hear this, apart from what Putin tells them to think.

[Boss Hogg]

They probably trust the authorities as they’ve always been honest with them and value peoples welfare and lives.

[groove]

It's not too dissimilar to how the yanks treated Jeffrey Epstein though is it? We're all programmed to distrust the Russians while conveniently forgetting people like Julian Assange and Dr.David Kelly.

[TsarBomba]

RIP Alexei Navalny - a true hero.

Navalny was a nationalist with previous links to the far right. Had to apologise in the past for racist and anti-Semitic comments. He wasn’t what the West thought he was and wanted him to be.

[burnley007]

They probably trust the authorities as they’ve always been honest with them and value peoples welfare and lives.

Very similar to our government...

[burnley007]

Navalny was a nationalist with previous links to the far right. Had to apologise in the past for racist and anti-Semitic comments. He wasn’t what the West thought he was and wanted him to be.

As much as I oppose the far right, nobody deserved that.

[kentonclaret]

Navalny was a nationalist with previous links to the far right. Had to apologise in the past for racist and anti-Semitic comments. He wasn’t what the West thought he was and wanted him to be.

Sounds like an awful man. Thank heavens the Russians have a leader like Putin pencilled in as leader for as long as he wants to remain in power.

[Bordeauxclaret]

It's not too dissimilar to how the yanks treated Jeffrey Epstein though is it?

I think that’s going to need some further explanation?

[evensteadiereddie]

The poor guy must have known it would probably happen at sometime. When will the people of Russia wake up?

I know. Just imagine a government attempting to brainwash its electorate.

[bobinho]

Exactly Eddie…. We went to war in this century based on spin and lies, and we were all told it was legal and above board and we just went along with it because we trusted our politicians.

[evensteadiereddie]

Correct!
And I bet you were stupid enough to support it at the time even though we in the Stop the War Coalition were laughed at, at best, or called, inevitably, traitors.
Another "told you so".

[Anonymous Claret]

I think that’s going to need some further explanation?

Ok, I will bite.

It is strongly suspected that Epstein was an asset of the CIA and Mossad. His island that the public had never heard of until his arrest is thought to be 1 of many honeytraps to ensnare influential politicians, celebrities and royalty etc having sex with minors (children).

As it stands Ghislaine Maxwell is currently in prison serving 20 years for supplying children to no-one. Not 1 of these pedophiles who she supplied children to has been named. From various media sources it is not difficult to find out that Epstein had been associated with Trump, Clinton, Gates, Prince Andrew and many more including A list celebrities from Hollywood and the music industry etc.

We also know that Ghislaine's father Robert who like Epstein died mysteriously was supposedly a triple agent of MI6, Mossad and the KGB.

We also know that Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton wearing a dress and red shoes at 1 of his properties. Look up the symbolism of pedophiles and red shoes.

Although unsubstantiated it is believed in some quarters that he had a painting by the same artist of George Bush sat on a floor with two collapsed towers of Jenga Blocks at his feet flying a paper aeroplane.

Now these 2 paintings may be completely innocent and hold no relevance but a lot of people believe that Epstein was mocking people telling them that Clinton is a transvestite pedophile and 9/11 was an inside job. Maybe the paintings have no significance at all but it is a very odd choice of art for a known pedophile who was very well connected to world leaders, royalty and Hollywood's elite.

As Navelny was almost certainly murdered by the Russian state, Epstein was almost certainly murdered by the US government.

[Devils_Advocate]

Correct!
And I bet you were stupid enough to support it at the time even though we in the Stop the War Coalition were laughed at, at best, or called, inevitably, traitors.
Another "told you so".

Spot on it was young lefties like me and loony left politicians like Corbyn and Abbott who were protesting and Marching against the war. Bobinho was likely cheering it on baying for blood like he is currently doing with the support of Israel and their war crimes and genocide against the Palestinian people againd backed by western government propaganda

[evensteadiereddie]

Exactly. Nothing changes, does it?
This time the label is "anti-semitic" instead of "traitor."

[tarkys_ears]

I guess we've found Bluelabradors new login...

[Bordeauxclaret]

Ok, I will bite.

It is strongly suspected that Epstein was an asset of the CIA and Mossad. His island that the public had never heard of until his arrest is thought to be 1 of many honeytraps to ensnare influential politicians, celebrities and royalty etc having sex with minors (children).

As it stands Ghislaine Maxwell is currently in prison serving 20 years for supplying children to no-one. Not 1 of these pedophiles who she supplied children to has been named. From various media sources it is not difficult to find out that Epstein had been associated with Trump, Clinton, Gates, Prince Andrew and many more including A list celebrities from Hollywood and the music industry etc.

We also know that Ghislaine's father Robert who like Epstein died mysteriously was supposedly a triple agent of MI6, Mossad and the KGB.

We also know that Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton wearing a dress and red shoes at 1 of his properties. Look up the symbolism of pedophiles and red shoes.

Although unsubstantiated it is believed in some quarters that he had a painting by the same artist of George Bush sat on a floor with two collapsed towers of Jenga Blocks at his feet flying a paper aeroplane.

Now these 2 paintings may be completely innocent and hold no relevance but a lot of people believe that Epstein was mocking people telling them that Clinton is a transvestite pedophile and 9/11 was an inside job. Maybe the paintings have no significance at all but it is a very odd choice of art for a known pedophile who was very well connected to world leaders, royalty and Hollywood's elite.

As Navelny was almost certainly murdered by the Russian state, Epstein was almost certainly murdered by the US government.

That’s not the longest post yet all these somehow manage to get an outing -

“It is strongly suspected”
“Is thought to be”
“was supposedly”
“Although unsubstantiated”
“but a lot of people believe”

[Clovius Boofus]

Well, I've learnt that paedophiles wear red shoes so that other paedos can recognise them. Good job nobody else knowns about this secret dress code.

[Sproggy]

I've very hastily had to skip "Let's Dance" on my David Bowie playlist.

[dougcollins]

Exactly Eddie…. We went to war in this century based on spin and lies, and we were all told it was legal and above board and we just went along with it because we trusted our politicians.

That's the Falklands I assume?

[Burnley1989]

That’s not the longest post yet all these somehow manage to get an outing -

“It is strongly suspected”
“Is thought to be”
“was supposedly”
“Although unsubstantiated”
“but a lot of people believe”

Literally exactly what went through my mind

[dougcollins]

Well, I've learnt that paedophiles wear red shoes so that other paedos can recognise them. Good job nobody else knowns about this secret dress code.

Always knew Noddy was dodgy.

[fatboy47]

Spot on it was young lefties like me and loony left politicians like Corbyn and Abbott who were protesting and Marching against the war. Bobinho was likely cheering it on baying for blood like he is currently doing with the support of Israel and their war crimes and genocide against the Palestinian people againd backed by western government propaganda

I've not been around much recently, but please tell me you're exaggerating re bobinho supporting that stuff in Gaza.

[karatekid]

That's the Falklands I assume?

Wasn’t that last century?

[dougcollins]

Wasn’t that last century?

Yes. I was being mischievous.

[bobinho]

That's the Falklands I assume?

The falklands was LAST century, but by all means assume that war was built on lies and deceit. Shall we say that Argentina didn’t actually invade?

I am of course referring to the second gulf war. You probably KNEW I was referring to that… I’ll be gracious and give you the benefit of the doubt.

[CoolClaret]

Navalny was a nationalist with previous links to the far right. Had to apologise in the past for racist and anti-Semitic comments. He wasn’t what the West thought he was and wanted him to be.

This is true as well - he had some pretty horrid ideas as well BUT at least wanted free and fair elections and to clamp down on the mafia state/wild west/oligarchy in Ruzzia.

Would he have been good for diplomacy to Europe/West? Who knows, possibly better - but there will never be that until Ruzzia is a proper democracy with politicians that can at least be held semi-accountable.

It actually blows my mind just how wild that place is.

[Anonymous Claret]

That’s not the longest post yet all these somehow manage to get an outing -

“It is strongly suspected”
“Is thought to be”
“was supposedly”
“Although unsubstantiated”
“but a lot of people believe”

'Strongly suspected' and 'is thought to be'

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/report ... YQ32OYMUM/

https://petermaguire.substack.com/p/the ... -honeytrap

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-write ... ging-into/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... barak.html

'was supposedly'

https://projectnemesis.net/robert-maxwell/

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... 4.cms?from

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/20 ... ton-review

[bobinho]

Spot on it was young lefties like me and loony left politicians like Corbyn and Abbott who were protesting and Marching against the war. Bobinho was likely cheering it on baying for blood like he is currently doing with the support of Israel and their war crimes and genocide against the Palestinian people againd backed by western government propaganda

Incorrect… unsurprisingly. I wasn’t cheering at all…. Far from it in fact. I was marching INTO war, supposedly safe in the knowledge that my government (a labour government) had done all it could to establish that what we were doing was bothe legally and morally right. So I was waiting patiently and nervously in an armoured vehicle, ready to cross into Iraq, and I wasn’t looking forward to it. No one in their right mind would be looking forward to offensive operations in wartime.

I’m in full support of Israel’s right to defend itself, especially when attacked like it was by Hamas. I’m in full support of any nation who defends itself robustly against terrorists.

My current thinking is “enough is enough” with what’s happening in Gaza, but that’s not my call. What we are seeing here is a nation who has been persecuted for thousands of years making a stand against a terrorist organisation. Remember there is only one side in all this that actively preaches and actively seeks the complete worldwide eradication of the other.

All this Palestinian support makes me feel sick to my stomach…. Especially with the huge increase in attacks in this country on the Jewish community. I’m embarrassed and ashamed for you…

[daveisaclaret]

Pretty crazy that the Bill Clinton is a red-shoed paedophile post isn't the least accurate in the thread any more.

[evensteadiereddie]

Incorrect… unsurprisingly. I wasn’t cheering at all…. Far from it in fact. I was marching INTO war, supposedly safe in the knowledge that my government (a labour government) had done all it could to establish that what we were doing was bothe legally and morally right. So I was waiting patiently and nervously in an armoured vehicle, ready to cross into Iraq, and I wasn’t looking forward to it. No one in their right mind would be looking forward to offensive operations in wartime.

I’m in full support of Israel’s right to defend itself, especially when attacked like it was by Hamas. I’m in full support of any nation who defends itself robustly against terrorists.

My current thinking is “enough is enough” with what’s happening in Gaza, but that’s not my call. What we are seeing here is a nation who has been persecuted for thousands of years making a stand against a terrorist organisation. Remember there is only one side in all this that actively preaches and actively seeks the complete worldwide eradication of the other.

All this Palestinian support makes me feel sick to my stomach…. Especially with the huge increase in attacks in this country on the Jewish community. I’m embarrassed and ashamed for you…

Good!
So when is enough?
I'm not sure being appalled by senseless, indiscriminate slaughter of innocent, collateral civilians equates to Palestian support.
Nor is it anti semitic, it's just pro human.

[Burnley1989]

'Strongly suspected' and 'is thought to be'

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/report ... YQ32OYMUM/

https://petermaguire.substack.com/p/the ... -honeytrap

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-write ... ging-into/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... barak.html

'was supposedly'

https://projectnemesis.net/robert-maxwell/

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... 4.cms?from

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/20 ... ton-review

Wasn’t it yourself that also believes 9/11 was an inside job by the US?

[Anonymous Claret]

Wasn’t it yourself that also believes 9/11 was an inside job by the US?

I strongly believe that 9/11 was an inisde job.

Here are a few questions for people who believe the official narrative.

1. Why did WT7 collapse in an identical manner to the twin towers? WT7 was a short distance from the Twin Towers and no plane hit that building.

2. Why were the testimonies of 118 first responders who claimed to hear explosions in the towers not heard at the inquest?

3. How could some novice pilots who had been flying Cessnas suddenly be able to control Jumbo Jets and fly them into The Twin Towers.

There is so much more stuff as well I don't have the time or energy to go into at the moment.

There are a couple of websites that are really interesting by pilots who have experience of thousands of hours flying experience and another website set up by firefighters including fire fighters who were present on 9/11. There is also another website set up by architects and engineers who question the planes causing the towers to collapse

Missing witness statements by first responders

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/11 ... ror-attack

Pilots For Truth

https://pilotsfor911truth.org/

Firefighters For Truth

https://www.ff911truth.org/

Architects/Engineers For Truth

https://www.ae911truth.org/

A lot of people will completely believe that governments are capable of falsely invading foreign countries destabilising their governments, killing millions of people and displacing millions more but they could never imagine that those same governments would create a false flag event in their own country killing their own citizens to justify those actions as I believe happened with 9/11.

Many people will also riddicule people who ask questions as 'conspiracy theorists' without actually spending the hours themselves challenging the narrative that is spewed out by corrupt politicians and media organisations either owned by the state or funded by billionaires. Conspiracy theorist was a term that was popularised by the CIA to discredit dissenting voices in the 1960s when people started questioning the official story of the JFK assassisnation.

Anyway you may or not choose to look into this but if you ever decide to look beyond the lies that I believe have been told over the years I would suggest looking at the collapse of WT7 and working your way from there.

[Anonymous Claret]

Pretty crazy that the Bill Clinton is a red-shoed paedophile post isn't the least accurate in the thread any more.

Clinton is a pedo. No doubt about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ss-claimed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67865190

https://news.sky.com/story/jeffrey-epst ... d-13042406

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 74365.html

[Colburn_Claret]

Good!
So when is enough?
I'm not sure being appalled by senseless, indiscriminate slaughter of innocent, collateral civilians equates to Palestian support.
Nor is it anti semitic, it's just pro human.

What was pro human about murdering a 1000 Israelis on Oct 7th .
I have a great deal of sympathy for Palestinians, both historically and today, but nothing excuses terrorism, Nothing.

This impasse will only end when Hamas give up guns and sit around a table and talk. That is unlikely to happen as long as Iran are involved in the regional politics.
Unfortunately any pro Palestinian protest, is also a pro Hamas protest, and too many of those walking the streets of London are more than happy for it. As long as that's the case
I have no time for them. The hypocrisy is blinding.

[Devils_Advocate]

What about the pre Oct 7th hostages where Palestinians have been imprisoned without charge or due procees
What about the apartheid state Palestinian's in the West Bank (nothing to do with Hamas) have had to live under including being displaced from their homes and suffering untold violence
What about all the UN resolutions Israel are in breach of and have been for years
What about the occupation of Gaza where Israel denies the Palestinians basic rights to control their own agriculture, water supply, manufacturing, ports, airports and ability to leave and enter their own country
What about the death toll of the innocent Palestinians' throughout the last 60 years (long before Hamas) compared to death toll of the innocent Israelis
What about the fact that Netanyahu and his party backed and supported Hamas in the last free elections held in Gaza because he doesnt want a two state solution and wanted an extreme opposition to continue the conflict until he could drive the Palestinians out of Gaza and into the desert
What about the 1948 Nakba that so the mass displacement and dispossession of Palestinians
What about the un-proportional war crimes Israel has committed since Oct 7th where Palestinians have been collectively punished
What about the Israel govt and the IDFs genocidal statements where they have clearly stated they want to eliminate Palestine and drive its people into the desert
What about all the journalists, aid workers and humanitarian teams the IDF have murdered
What about the indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets and examples where they have directed the Palestinians to move to and then bombed and attacked them when they followed the instructions

I could go on and on with endless examples of why Israel are the aggressors and why in years to come this will be looked with disgust and disbelief that country's like the USA and UK backed and supported this genocide

Israel have gone way to far this time and whilst we're not there yet it wont be long before the world wakes up to the truth and pushes back. Its just a tragedy that its going to take the mass deaths, destruction and displacement of Palestine and its people before we recognise the grotesqueness of Netanyahu and his fascist Zionist regime

Like with Iraq there same group of people who stood up against that illegal war and were sadly proved right are standing up against these war crimes and sadly yet again we will eventually be proved right but it will be far to late

[Boss Hogg]

What was pro human about murdering a 1000 Israelis on Oct 7th .
I have a great deal of sympathy for Palestinians, both historically and today, but nothing excuses terrorism, Nothing.

This impasse will only end when Hamas give up guns and sit around a table and talk. That is unlikely to happen as long as Iran are involved in the regional politics.
Unfortunately any pro Palestinian protest, is also a pro Hamas protest, and too many of those walking the streets of London are more than happy for it. As long as that's the case
I have no time for them. The hypocrisy is blinding.

Some fair points. Not sure you can really negotiate with these terrorists. Don’t see many anti Hamas banners or denouncing from the Palestinian side. Israel is too heavy handed but Hamas triggered it.

[IanMcL]

Navalny was a nationalist with previous links to the far right. Had to apologise in the past for racist and anti-Semitic comments. He wasn’t what the West thought he was and wanted him to be.

He was anti Putin. Enough to be going on with, for the Yanks.

[It Is What It Is]

An exceptionally heroic brave man...but God knows why he returned to Russia of his own free will when he was free in Europe. He must surely have known what was going to happen to him.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Is it ok to think that what Hamas did to innocent civilians last year was barbaric and also think what Israel is doing to innocent civilians since is barbaric?

[Colburn_Claret]

Some fair points. Not sure you can really negotiate with these terrorists. Don’t see many anti Hamas banners or denouncing from the Palestinian side. Israel is too heavy handed but Hamas triggered it.

There is no way that ALL Palestinians support Hamas, but as in other regions of the planet, ruled by guns rather than democracy, opposition could be fatal.
I read a report recently of a Palestinian ex Hamas member, who'd woken up to the lies and hypocrisy he'd been raised on. Most people on this planet just want to live in peace, they want their children to be safe, educated and free. It isn't limited to colour or religion. Even the IRA had to come to the table in the end, so will Palestine. In order to do that it will have to ignore the pressure from the likes of Iran, which won't be easy. Its a bloody mess and the innocent Palestinians are paying the price, as the innocent always do.

[AlargeClaret]

Seems slightly odd they’d bump him off like this when the war is starting to go their way and the West /US getting a bit “ war weary “ on funding etc .? By the media reaction , the EU are raging at hunting Putin down for this and Biden said “ Putin is responsible “ etc .

Now I wouldn’t trust Putin as far as I could throw him , but talk about bad timing on his part , as this will 100% ramp up funding for UKR.

Personally I’d give Putin the Donbas , let UKR into NATO and squeeze RUS on every conceivable level until it looks like Shadsworth .

[Boss Hogg]

Is it ok to think that what Hamas did to innocent civilians last year was barbaric and also think what Israel is doing to innocent civilians since is barbaric?

Yes. All violence towards any innocent citizens of any race or religion should be condemned. We don’t see this so much in the protests.

[Boss Hogg]

An exceptionally heroic brave man...but God knows why he returned to Russia of his own free will when he was free in Europe. He must surely have known what was going to happen to him.

I find this hard to understand. He passionately believed in what he was doing and now everyone has noticed. He may have thought it would achieve more in the long term. A bit of a martyrdom type situation maybe.