Zonal Marking = Marking Thin Air

[Rowls]

A zone has never scored a goal.

Thin air never scored a goal.

Unmarked men score lots and lots of goals, especially against us.

Who else is sick to the back teeth of watching our pathetic nonexistent defending?

[cockneyclaret]

Just watched the highlights for the 1st goal..
It was Brownhill running off from Odergard to join the other 5 in the penalty area leaving him all the time in the world to shoot.
I don't understand how a professional player can't see this

[Westleigh]

When Arsenal had a free kick near the end we had 5 players marking 1 Arsenal player.

[NewClaret]

Did we concede from a set piece today?

Think our problems lie elsewhere to zonal marking tbh.

[Safron]

Did we concede from a set piece today?

Think our problems lie elsewhere to zonal marking tbh.

Today was a day when zonal marking didn't come in to play thank god

[NewClaret]

Today was a day when zonal marking didn't come in to play thank god

Tbf, Arsenal were ***k from set pieces today.

I don’t think our set pieces defensively are so bad. Offensively. Christ.

[BurnleyFC]

Just watched the highlights for the 1st goal..
It was Brownhill running off from Odergard to join the other 5 in the penalty area leaving him all the time in the world to shoot.
I don't understand how a professional player can't see this

He’s never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, to be fair.

[Rowls]

Did we concede from a set piece today?

Think our problems lie elsewhere to zonal marking tbh.

We haven't been marking properly all season. Not tracking runners, zonal marking.

It all adds up to being shambolic defensively.

[Westleigh]

Did we concede from a set piece today?

Think our problems lie elsewhere to zonal marking tbh.

Didn’t we concede from a throw in?

[dougcollins]

Didn’t we concede from a throw in?

Apparently there was only Havertz in our half who knew you can’t be offside from a throw.

[NewClaret]

We haven't been marking properly all season. Not tracking runners, zonal marking.

It all adds up to being shambolic defensively.

I disagree about the zonal marking. I think it looks bad but is actually quite effective.

The rest of our defending is a different situation and they should t be confused.

[NewClaret]

Didn’t we concede from a throw in?

That is true, but nothing whatsoever to do with zonal marking.

[Rileybobs]

I disagree about the zonal marking. I think it looks bad but is actually quite effective.

The rest of our defending is a different situation and they should t be confused.

Our defending from set pieces isn’t quite effective.

[NewClaret]

Our defending from set pieces isn’t quite effective.

Considering how many corners we’ve conceded, I think it is.

Would love to know the stats on how many corners/FKs we’ve successfully defended vs unsuccessfully defended.

Yes, I know we have conceded most set pieces but if you conceded 10 times more than everyone else, it’s inevitable.

By the way, I’m naturally averse to zonal but don’t think it’s been as bad as people make out.

[Rileybobs]

Considering how many corners we’ve conceded, I think it is.

Would love to know the stats on how many corners/FKs we’ve successfully defended vs unsuccessfully defended.

Yes, I know we have conceded most set pieces but if you conceded 10 times more than everyone else, it’s inevitable.

By the way, I’m naturally averse to zonal but don’t think it’s been as bad as people make out.

Defending set pieces is a huge weakness of ours and I can’t believe anyone would suggest otherwise.

[NewClaret]

Defending set pieces is a huge weakness of ours and I can’t believe anyone would suggest otherwise.

Well hopefully someone will provide the stats to prove that set pieces defended vs conceded were as poor as you say.

Clearly if you give away 3x as many you will likely concede 3x as many.

I actually think we’re pretty solid from them. Absolutely awful at taking them though.

[Rileybobs]

Well hopefully someone will provide the stats to prove that set pieces defended vs conceded were as poor as you say.

Clearly if you give away 3x as many you will likely concede 3x as many.

I actually think we’re pretty solid from them. Absolutely awful at taking them though.

I don’t need stats to show me we’re not good at defending set pieces. Have you not watched us this season? Baffled that anyone could think we’re pretty solid defending them.

[NewClaret]

I don’t need stats to show me we’re not good at defending set pieces. Have you not watched us this season? Baffled that anyone could think we’re pretty solid defending them.

Let’s start with a basic question:

If we conceded 6 times as many set pieces as another team, and conceded the same number of goals from them, would you agree we are better at defending them than the team that conceded 6x less?

(By the way, I have no idea what the set-pieces:goals conceded stats are - or how I’d find out - so I am saying this from a completely blind perspective and will concede you’re right if they’re provided).

[BurnleyFC]

Considering how many corners we’ve conceded, I think it is.

Would love to know the stats on how many corners/FKs we’ve successfully defended vs unsuccessfully defended.

Yes, I know we have conceded most set pieces but if you conceded 10 times more than everyone else, it’s inevitable.

By the way, I’m naturally averse to zonal but don’t think it’s been as bad as people make out.

We’re garbage on defensive set pieces.

We’d be on zero points if we had even a 50/50 success rate defending set pieces. It stands to reason the success rate would be higher.

[Elizabeth]

We haven't been marking properly all season. Not tracking runners, zonal marking.

It all adds up to being shambolic defensively.

Just the wrong day to bring it up. Arsenal has scored most PL goals from balls into the box and today never threatened despite their numerous supply

[NewClaret]

We’re garbage on defensive set pieces.

We’d be on zero points if we had even a 50/50 success rate defending set pieces. It stands to reason the success rate would be higher.

What are you on about?

We successfully defended all 6 corners today, probably as many free kicks and didn’t concede a goal from them.

We conceded 3 from open play, one from a pen, one from a throw (inexcusable).

Our zonal marking at set plays was NOT the issue today. There were other issues but zonal marking was not one of them.

[dougcollins]

Just the wrong day to bring it up. Arsenal has scored most PL goals from balls into the box and today never threatened despite their numerous supply

Correct. Dreading it before the match, but they chose other ways to destroy us today.

[BurnleyFC]

What are you on about?

We successfully defended all 6 corners today, probably as many free kicks and didn’t concede a goal from them.

We conceded 3 from open play, one from a pen, one from a throw (inexcusable).

Our zonal marking at set plays was NOT the issue today. There were other issues but zonal marking was not one of them.

We might’ve done, but over the course of the season we’ve shown we’re nowhere near good enough at defensive set pieces. I don’t know why you can’t fathom that and why you’d need stats to back up your view. The way the opposition target us tells us all we need to know about how bad we are.

As it happens Arsenal didn’t have to score from a set piece because they cut us open at will anyway.

[NewClaret]

We might’ve done, but over the course of the season we’ve shown we’re nowhere near good enough at defensive set pieces. I don’t know why you can’t fathom that and why you’d need stats to back up your view. The way the opposition target us tells us all we need to know about how bad we are.

As it happens Arsenal didn’t have to score from a set piece because they cut us open at will anyway.

I’m not one to rely on stats at all. I’m just saying what I see, which to be frank is very few goals conceded from vs corners defended. Same

I am not saying we haven’t conceded from set-plays, just I’ll be surprised if relatively speaking our zonal marking is as bad as the title of this thread suggests.

If it is, I’ll concede I’m wrong as I’ve been very clear I don’t know what the stats are. It just occurs to me that they won’t be as bad as our fans think they are.

[CoolClaret]

I’m not one to rely on stats at all. I’m just saying what I see, which to be frank is very few goals conceded from vs corners defended. Same

I am not saying we haven’t conceded from set-plays, just I’ll be surprised if relatively speaking our zonal marking is as bad as the title of this thread suggests.

If it is, I’ll concede I’m wrong as I’ve been very clear I don’t know what the stats are. It just occurs to me that they won’t be as bad as our fans think they are.

As of the 16th Feb, we have conceded 12 goals from set pieces which is the 2nd worst in the division, just ahead of Forest with 15, and scored 3 goals from set pieces, which is the third lowest.

Overall we are the 2nd worst team at set pieces.

Source- https://www.bettingexpert.com/news/anal ... kick-stats

[NewClaret]

As of the 16th Feb, we have conceded 12 goals from set pieces which is the 2nd worst in the division, just ahead of Forest with 15, and scored 3 goals from set pieces, which is the third lowest.

Overall we are the 2nd worst team at set pieces.

Source- https://www.bettingexpert.com/news/anal ... kick-stats

My question was how does this compare vs set pieces defended?

If we have to defend more set plays we’ll concede more goals from them. That, I assume, is obvious. So the truth in whether our zonal marking is the issue, or how many set plays we concede is the real problem, lies in that stat.

Which I don’t know the answer to, but seems nobody else does either so far.

[Rileybobs]

Let’s start with a basic question:

If we conceded 6 times as many set pieces as another team, and conceded the same number of goals from them, would you agree we are better at defending them than the team that conceded 6x less?

(By the way, I have no idea what the set-pieces:goals conceded stats are - or how I’d find out - so I am saying this from a completely blind perspective and will concede you’re right if they’re provided).

The number of goals we have conceded from set pieces isn’t the only barometer to judge how good we are at defending them. If the opposition get free headers at goal and miss the target then we haven’t defended the set piece well.

I’m not going to bother looking at statistics because I don’t need them to know how poorly we defend set pieces, although we did a decent job today. I thought it was a fairly unanimous opinion amongst Burnley fans and pundits that it is a major weakness in our game so I’m surprised that someone who watches us game in game out thinks otherwise.

[CoolClaret]

My question was how does this compare vs set pieces defended?

If we have to defend more set plays we’ll concede more goals from them. That, I assume, is obvious. So the truth in whether our zonal marking is the issue, or how many set plays we concede is the real problem, lies in that stat.

Which I don’t know the answer to, but seems nobody else does either so far.

No idea -

It's probably best looking at them vs sides around you, which in theory should be sides that have a similar amount of the ball as you in various areas of the park.

Either way, it's not good.

[MT03ALG]

Zonal marking = the big attackers select to go where the small defenders are. Then they score.

[steve1264b]

What was interesting today was that Amoudi was clearly designated as the muscle to protect Trafford, to be fair him and White had quite the tussle!!

[Goliath]

What was interesting today was that Amoudi was clearly designated as the muscle to protect Trafford, to be fair him and White had quite the tussle!!

Yep i noticed this. It was actually nice to see that theud identified and worked on a clear weakness. Amdouni was putting some graft in to make sure they couldnt pin Trafford, not something id usually say about Amdouni.