What a ******* shambles!

[DCWat]

This is embarrassingly bad!

Yes, we are playing one of the best sides in the league, but the lack of fight, organisation and willingness to at least try and close down space, is frightening.

Berge isn’t beyond criticism in some of these areas, but the bloke is pretty much having to try and cover the whole midfield, such have been the displays of the likes of Ramsey, Amdouni, Odobert and especially Brownhill.

This has been woeful.

[ElectroClaret]

The least you expect is a bit of fight.
We showed nothing.

[Rowls]

It's a lack of organisation thing.

Which is a coaching thing.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I said it a while ago. But VK and Pace have dismantled everything Dyche built up to make us a competitive team at this level.

“Hearts, Legs, Minds” has never been missing more than it is right now

[Blondeclaret]

I said it a while ago. But VK and Pace have dismantled everything Dyche built up to make us a competitive team at this level.

“Hearts, Legs, Minds” has never been missing more than it is right now

Absolutely correct pal! Between them they have dismantled every department of our Football Club. It’s time they all went . Just bad after bad. It really is in one hell of a mess! £154 million spent and what have we to show for it, absolute shambles!

[Sheedyclaret]

Been a shambles for months my season ticket collecting dust no fight in this squad weak pathetic bunch

[Westleigh]

We laugh at Rovers,but when Kompany goes he takes with him our scouting network ( because he owns it),he takes a huge back room staff which will cost millions to get rid off ,we need to bin him now and get someone in to give us some sort of structure in place before the end of this season.

[burnleymik]

We aren't showing improvement. We aren't showing fight. We aren't even showing desire or passion to play for the shirt.

I like VK, I wanted him to be brilliant and I wanted to see the gradual improvement, no matter how difficult the season start was. It hasn't happened. We have shown the odd signs, but then the next game fall apart again. This all falls right at the door of VK and at this point I don't even believe he would automatically bring us back up, it really is that bad.

If the board let him go, I really wouldn't be too bothered anymore. He just can't make us competitive and that's the least we expect.

[Hedontplayforyou]

He needs an experienced head at the side of him for the time being in his back room staff.

Today was utter garbage . A million miles away from last season. Yes it’s Arsenal but the fight is disgustingly absent . No sense in sacking him now nor do I want to. I just want hik to learn and quickly.

If this is part of some brilliant idea then the board, players and staff have got some real patience about them….but right now it’s looking woeful

[BurnleyFC]

We’ve had far worse players than Brownhill over the years, but I’m struggling to remember a captain as bad as him.

[Hedontplayforyou]

We’ve had far worse players than Brownhill over the years, but I’m struggling to remember a captain as bad as him.

He’s nowhere near prem standard . The quality we lack in midfield kills the side entirely . Doesn’t help the defence (which needs it) and doesn’t build attacks (which we lack)

[Tinribs]

Left at 4-0 didn’t see any fight today so why should I sit in the rain watching us sit back admiring Arsenal.I went in knowing we would lose but the way we went about it was just a kick in the face for the supporters.Trafford time wasting at 1-0,Amdouni jogging around and couldn’t be arsed to press,Ramsey well we have well and truly had our pants pulled down by Villa.Anazed how the team has descended to this from what we had last season.

[wilks_bfc]

Left at 4-0 didn’t see any fight today so why should I sit in the rain watching us sit back admiring Arsenal.I went in knowing we would lose but the way we went about it was just a kick in the face for the supporters.Trafford time wasting at 1-0,Amdouni jogging around and couldn’t be arsed to press,Ramsey well we have well and truly had our pants pulled down by Villa.Anazed how the team has descended to this from what we had last season.

We left our seats whilst it was 4-0 and by the time we’d got to the end of the row it was 5 :/

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Amazing to think Kompany and co think the likes of Muric, Cork, Cullen and Benson would actually make that starting 11 weaker.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Some usual nonsense about lack of fight. It always looks like that when the game goee, but there was plenty of fight earlier. Ramsey on Saka for which he got a yellow was superb. Fofana tried to outpace and outmuscle them o'Shea dived into several big headers and clearances. Assignon was busy.

[forzagranata]

Quite a few future Turkish league players on that field.

[CoolClaret]

Quite a few future Turkish league players on that field.

Mr Amdouni has Trabzonspor written all over him.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Some usual nonsense about lack of fight. It always looks like that when the game goee, but there was plenty of fight earlier. Ramsey on Saka for which he got a yellow was superb. Fofana tried to outpace and outmuscle them o'Shea dived into several big headers and clearances. Assignon was busy.

Whatever you say! Like the way they all threw their bodies at the ball in the 4th minute!!

[burnleymik]

Some usual nonsense about lack of fight. It always looks like that when the game goee, but there was plenty of fight earlier. Ramsey on Saka for which he got a yellow was superb. Fofana tried to outpace and outmuscle them o'Shea dived into several big headers and clearances. Assignon was busy.

There were a few fighting, but the overall summation of lack of fight, was, I feel correct and happy to stand by that. The players themselves don't even believe anymore, you can see it.

[ClaretAL]

Got to admit I am struggling to see the bench and get past VK being oblivious or at worst faithful to his summer signings.

[It Is What It Is]

Let's be honest lads...we got promoted with a very very good Championship team with 100+ points.
The EPL is so much more demanding...our team now is akin to Ford Escorts and Vauxhall Vivas against Ferrari's and Lamborghini 's. You are just not going to get anything from the top 8.
Good performance's tho against Forest, Bournemouth,, Fulham, Palace Sheffield Utd, Luton Wolves and the like in the bottom 8...

We have definitely improved since Dyche ball, more attacking footy than ever... defensively still woeful, midfield all at sea really.
Got promoted a season too early. We have a mixed bag of good players yet to gel.
We have made some good buys and loans.
Odds massively against us but I've not given up hope yet.

[Carlos the Great]

We laugh at Rovers,but when Kompany goes he takes with him our scouting network ( because he owns it),he takes a huge back room staff which will cost millions to get rid off ,we need to bin him now and get someone in to give us some sort of structure in place before the end of this season.

Scouting network ?? He can keep it .. it’s worthless

[expoultryboy]

More attacking footy ?

[BurnleyFC]

Quite a few future Turkish league players on that field.

Yep, because a fair few aren’t and won’t ever be Premier League players again.

[BurnleyFC]

Let's be honest lads...we got promoted with a very very good Championship team with 100+ points.
The EPL is so much more demanding...our team now is akin to Ford Escorts and Vauxhall Vivas against Ferrari's and Lamborghini 's. You are just not going to get anything from the top 8.
Good performance's tho against Forest, Bournemouth,, Fulham, Palace Sheffield Utd, Luton Wolves and the like in the bottom 8...

We have definitely improved since Dyche ball, more attacking footy than ever... defensively still woeful, midfield all at sea really.
Got promoted a season too early. We have a mixed bag of good players yet to gel.
We have made some good buys and loans.
Odds massively against us but I've not given up hope yet.

No.

I know the mind can play tricks on you, and emotions are still raw, but I genuinely can’t remember a performance as bad as that under Dyche, even when we did have some pastings.

That’s not a problem in isolation, but it’s been the majority of the season.

[spt_claret]

Amazing to think Kompany and co think the likes of Muric, Cork, Cullen and Benson would actually make that starting 11 weaker.

The man management aspect of this is what's starting to worry me.

(Sorry in advance for the long post, wasn't able to articulate this shorter.)

These guys will be here by summer.
We have 2 options at that point:

1- Sell them, for less than we'd have got if we sold them last summer, and try find replacements of equivalent quality who can come straight in to do a good job in the Championship.

2-Keep them and reintegrate them, Zaroury, Roberts etc. into the team. A tall order currently as that gives them little to play for. "Come on lads, if you get us promoted you might get to sit on the bench regardless of our results or performances next season again". Yes, as a pro they should do their job especially for the money they're on, but you don't want competitive athletes who don't have competitive hunger. Competitive hunger means wanting to play at the top level, prove yourself, do better, compete and play and win. It's why I never understood people disliking Jensen for filing transfer requests if he didn't play - yes it's 'selfish' but shows he wants to actually play, not just sit around collecting a cheque like a Scott Sinclair or Jack Rodwell.

Plus factor in we'll already be having to sell a few in the summer to service last summer's transfer outlay, plus a few out of contracts who we probably don't want to renew (Jay, likely Cork), plus the possibility that some players want to move on (Odobert might get bidders, Koleosho if he's fit before end of season, I'd take a breakeven on Trafford and despite his performances can see clubs being taken in by the media hype/potential, Ramsdale got a move to Arsenal- although granted was United's player of the season).

There's a possibility a lot of these players won't be here next season, and even if we do keep a lot, we need bodies and might not be in a financial position to bring in too many additions if we aim to retain as many as possible and go for a bounceback with blooding them for another year. That means we might need the likes of Muric, Roberts, Benson, Cullen, Zaroury, possibly even Twine, around to provide depth and cover.

We're down already, we're abject week in week out. No reason not to give these guys a chance, every reason to do so- they might by a miracle start getting results, but even if not- it takes the underperformers out of the firing line so they won't risk depreciating value if we need to sell/they want to go, it puts them in the window to have a chance at boosting their value for if we do plan to move them on in the summer, and it at least says "Okay lads, you're still part of the side and I want you ready for next year".

It's becoming very questionable man management at this point. Dyche got flak for stubbornness, and he was painfully stubborn at times, but even Dyche swapped keepers/brought McNeil in during one bad year, and gave Vydra a go alongside Wood another bad year. And if Kompany has no intention to play them, don't stick them on the bench. It spites the fans who want to see them get a chance, it spites the players who he's fallen out with by making them sit there for the matchday, it spites other players like Tresor who even if I think he's been poor, Kompany has at least played him so it doesn't feel the same waste of a bench spot to have a guy there who you refuse to use.

[Westleigh]

Some usual nonsense about lack of fight. It always looks like that when the game goee, but there was plenty of fight earlier. Ramsey on Saka for which he got a yellow was superb. Fofana tried to outpace and outmuscle them o'Shea dived into several big headers and clearances. Assignon was busy.

Even the neutral commentators were criticising our lack of commitment,and the half time pundits were saying how well we did against Liverpool but slated todays lack of effort.

[claptrappers_union]

Relative to the league we are playing in, this is the worst Burnley team I have seen (since 1993). It's worse than Brian Laws’ Premier League stint…

Today's performance is up there with the 1-6 City thrashing, but at least we gave it a go in the second half under Laws.

Serious questions need to be asked about the future of the club. Who is going to be playing with us next season and lets start playing them. Anyone who's not playing with loan agreements ending and relegation clauses, don't bother now. It's pointless.

The time is now to stick or twist with VK… is he the man to continue with bringing the club into this new era?

[CoolClaret]

I honestly can't believe he spent the best part of £65 million on Amdouni, Trafford, Ramsey and Tresor.

We'd have at least as many if not more points if non of them had signed. Staggering money for a club of our size.

[Buxtonclaret]

Afraid he's just asking young lads to do things they're not able to do yet. Even If they ever will.
Can't be good for their development getting hammered like that so often.

[gandhisflipflop]

No.

I know the mind can play tricks on you, and emotions are still raw, but I genuinely can’t remember a performance as bad as that under Dyche, even when we did have some pastings.

That’s not a problem in isolation, but it’s been the majority of the season.

Norwich 2-0 Burnley.

It was that bad.

[CoolClaret]

Norwich 2-0 Burnley.

It was that bad.

We were a Cornet sitter away from 1-1 weren't we?

Entirely different

[BurnleyFC]

Norwich 2-0 Burnley.

It was that bad.

It wasn’t.

Granted, it was garbage, but we had chances in that game.

[Sheedyclaret]

Some usual nonsense about lack of fight. It always looks like that when the game goee, but there was plenty of fight earlier. Ramsey on Saka for which he got a yellow was superb. Fofana tried to outpace and outmuscle them o'Shea dived into several big headers and clearances. Assignon was busy.

Not just about today’s game

[Bordeauxclaret]

A ridiculous foul after the game had been stopped, a couple of headers, a player being “busy” and a player trying to run past someone shows there was effort? Seriously?

[Tufty]

Surely VK can't go from being maestro and architect of some of the most entertaining and best football I've ever witnessed in 50+ years of watching to being absolutely clueless and a totally inept manager?

I think there's some disingenuous comments being thrown around on here. He can't be both these things.

Admittedly though I am baffled by some of his buys this season and his unwillingness to drop some key underperforming players.

[Goody1975]

It's been obvious since the early stages of the season that we are too open.

You cannot play a centre forward, an attacking left winger, a number 10 who doesn't have a tackle in them and a right sided player who is generally the 11th player to be selected and expect to be competitive at this level

We have finally got the round pegs to put in the round holes in defence but the centre of the park is as weak as ****. Berge is playing in there on his own.

[helmclaret]

Confidence is obviously low throughout the squad but there’s a distinct lack of pride and professionalism to me. That throw by Trafford near the end was absolutely shocking. You don’t see stuff like that in league 2. Jayrod’s reaction summed it up.

[Leyland Claret]

Apart from maybe Sheff U and Luton not a single one of our players get in any other Prem side. Too many adjectives to describe how bad that performance was today.

[Bosscat]

Surely VK can't go from being maestro and architect of some of the most entertaining and best football I've ever witnessed in 50+ years of watching to being absolutely clueless and a totally inept manager?

I think there's some disingenuous comments being thrown around on here. He can't be both these things.

Admittedly though I am baffled by some of his buys this season and his unwillingness to drop some key underperforming players.

/!\ This /!\

[Uwe Noble]

I think you have put your finger on an issue which Burnley fans have overlooked, namely Kompany's man-management. He comes across very well on the media but I have increasing doubts about how he is managing his players. His failure to give Muric or Benson a chance if s beginning to look spiteful.

Earlier in the season, O Shea gave an interview about his inclusion in the side. What surprised me was that he said he did n't know why he'd been given a run in the team . It is apparent he was n't getting any feedback on how his performance justified his inclusion in the team.i fund that incredibly worrying.

The man management aspect of this is what's starting to worry me.

(Sorry in advance for the long post, wasn't able to articulate this shorter.)

These guys will be here by summer.
We have 2 options at that point:

1- Sell them, for less than we'd have got if we sold them last summer, and try find replacements of equivalent quality who can come straight in to do a good job in the Championship.

2-Keep them and reintegrate them, Zaroury, Roberts etc. into the team. A tall order currently as that gives them little to play for. "Come on lads, if you get us promoted you might get to sit on the bench regardless of our results or performances next season again". Yes, as a pro they should do their job especially for the money they're on, but you don't want competitive athletes who don't have competitive hunger. Competitive hunger means wanting to play at the top level, prove yourself, do better, compete and play and win. It's why I never understood people disliking Jensen for filing transfer requests if he didn't play - yes it's 'selfish' but shows he wants to actually play, not just sit around collecting a cheque like a Scott Sinclair or Jack Rodwell.

Plus factor in we'll already be having to sell a few in the summer to service last summer's transfer outlay, plus a few out of contracts who we probably don't want to renew (Jay, likely Cork), plus the possibility that some players want to move on (Odobert might get bidders, Koleosho if he's fit before end of season, I'd take a breakeven on Trafford and despite his performances can see clubs being taken in by the media hype/potential, Ramsdale got a move to Arsenal- although granted was United's player of the season).

There's a possibility a lot of these players won't be here next season, and even if we do keep a lot, we need bodies and might not be in a financial position to bring in too many additions if we aim to retain as many as possible and go for a bounceback with blooding them for another year. That means we might need the likes of Muric, Roberts, Benson, Cullen, Zaroury, possibly even Twine, around to provide depth and cover.

We're down already, we're abject week in week out. No reason not to give these guys a chance, every reason to do so- they might by a miracle start getting results, but even if not- it takes the underperformers out of the firing line so they won't risk depreciating value if we need to sell/they want to go, it puts them in the window to have a chance at boosting their value for if we do plan to move them on in the summer, and it at least says "Okay lads, you're still part of the side and I want you ready for next year".

It's becoming very questionable man management at this point. Dyche got flak for stubbornness, and he was painfully stubborn at times, but even Dyche swapped keepers/brought McNeil in during one bad year, and gave Vydra a go alongside Wood another bad year. And if Kompany has no intention to play them, don't stick them on the bench. It spites the fans who want to see them get a chance, it spites the players who he's fallen out with by making them sit there for the matchday, it spites other players like Tresor who even if I think he's been poor, Kompany has at least played him so it doesn't feel the same waste of a bench spot to have a guy there who you refuse to use.

[ArmchairDetective]

A real lack of leaders on that pitch today. Heads go down far too easy.

A season in the Championship will do this young team a load of good and I'm already looking forward to it.

[Down_Rover]

Let's be honest lads...we got promoted with a very very good Championship team with 100+ points.
The EPL is so much more demanding...our team now is akin to Ford Escorts and Vauxhall Vivas against Ferrari's and Lamborghini 's. You are just not going to get anything from the top 8.
Good performance's tho against Forest, Bournemouth,, Fulham, Palace Sheffield Utd, Luton Wolves and the like in the bottom 8...

We have definitely improved since Dyche ball, more attacking footy than ever... defensively still woeful, midfield all at sea really.
Got promoted a season too early. We have a mixed bag of good players yet to gel.
We have made some good buys and loans.
Odds massively against us but I've not given up hope yet.

How have we improved since Dyche

At least he found ways to compete with the likes of Arsenal. No Dyche team lost 5-0 at home and all his teams fought for results

[RVclaret]

I think you have put your finger on an issue which Burnley fans have overlooked, namely Kompany's man-management. He comes across very well on the media but I have increasing doubts about how he is managing his players. His failure to give Muric or Benson a chance if s beginning to look spiteful.

Earlier in the season, O Shea gave an interview about his inclusion in the side. What surprised me was that he said he did n't know why he'd been given a run in the team . It is apparent he was n't getting any feedback on how his performance justified his inclusion in the team.i fund that incredibly worrying.

Yet Barnes, Westwood and Lowton (all respected, senior players at the club) commented on how clear and transparent he’d been with them and had upmost respect for his decisions on them.

I mentioned on the match thread but Jay Rod rates Kompany and backs him to bounce back. I find that encouraging from a local player and senior.

[wilks_bfc]

A real lack of leaders on that pitch today. Heads go down far too easy.

A season in the Championship will do this young team a load of good and I'm already looking forward to it.

It may way do, but as seen this year, when we are back in the Premier League for the 25/26 season, they will be disregarded and nowhere to be seen

[Down_Rover]

The whole enjoyment factor has gone down the pan.

The performance on the pitch was abject and gutless. Even getting into the ground was a pain with the unexpected and unnecessary searches at the turnstiles

When will the powers that be understand that fans(or their customers) ndeserve better than this

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Confidence is obviously low throughout the squad but there’s a distinct lack of pride and professionalism to me. That throw by Trafford near the end was absolutely shocking. You don’t see stuff like that in league 2. Jayrod’s reaction summed it up.

Team unity is shocking as well. The foul on Ramsey that led to serious injury was not responded to. How many teams have we had were that would slide? Barnes let's that slide? No. Mee? No. Carlisle? No. Caldwell? No. Cahill? No. Ball? No. Westy? No. Ade? No. Wade? No. We could reel off players some distinctly average for the level that they played at but that would not have been allowed to stand without a response. He's a team mate that has been injured by a shitty foul when the game was done, I would expect a few challenges to go in.

[warksclaret]

I think VK is surrounded with YES men. How on earth is he not playing a three midfield with Berge more advanced, and not allowing Cullen to come back in a midfield three.How come Muric has not played a single PL game with our defensive record

[agreenwood]

Personally don’t think the constant criticism of individual players is helpful and it’s probably unfair. There were ironic cheers when Ramsey completed a pass in the second half, just before he went off injured. How does that help a young player?

The problem is the squad, not the individuals within it. We’ve brought in a load of young, technical footballers in the belief that they’d overcome their lack of experience of professional football and the exacting standards of the Premier League. We’ve then compounded that by leaving ourselves short in key areas.

It’s no wonder they often look naive and games get away from them quickly. There’s not enough leadership or experience on the pitch to knit consistent performances together. We therefore play in spells and never look more than 30 seconds from disaster, even when we’re having the better of the game.

I think we’ve set these lads up to fail. I suspect had some of them been brought into more balanced squads, they’d be showing their talent more consistently than they have managed for us this season.

[Uwe Noble]

Yet Barnes, Westwood and Lowton (all respected, senior players at the club) commented on how clear and transparent he’d been with them and had upmost respect for his decisions on them.

I mentioned on the match thread but Jay Rod rates Kompany and backs him to bounce back. I find that encouraging from a local player and senior.

Yes, I have to admit that's correct. Hopefully, I'm wrong. I certainly would n't sack him.