VK OUT !!

[ISpeds00]

A manager who got over a 100 points a year ago in that league, who walked that league... Who would you suggest could do better?

Exactly - i'd rather give Kompany another crack at that with some of the younger talent he's brought in

[RVclaret]

259 votes is such a huge sample size.

It’s not massive but still arguably representative of a smallish fan base, given you get fans of all ages on X.

[hoskinsgoalatswansea]

Does winning a championship title really mean that much to you?

Would anyone have even remotely cared if we won or came second? Both end up in the prem which is the whole point of the championship

I care. Winning the league at Ewood was the best thing ever.

Whether VK is up to the job or not is a totally different question.

[forzagranata]

Pace gave Kompany a new contract until 2028. So sacking him now would mean being prepared to pay off four years worth of his no doubt very high wages. Pace would probably need to take out another loan to cover that - and find a new manager and coaching staff on top of that.

Can't see how it happens.

[Nori1958]

We had a few leaders on the pitch last season,such as THB ,Cork,Barnes,Tella was the smiling assassin.we have no cohesion or the fight in the team,how is VK going to fix it next season if he can’t do it now?

And the answer to the question is?

[Newcastleclaret93]

A manager who got over a 100 points a year ago in that league, who walked that league... Who would you suggest could do better?

It’s such a stupid argument.

There’s plenty of managers that will get the team with the biggest budget promoted next season.

Why would anyone want VK to get us promoted? We would just have to suffer through this shite again.

[colne-claret]

Genuine question for people who are VK in.

What have you seen this season that makes you think he is the right man to take this club forward?

[beddie]

It ain’t going to happen. VK is here for the long haul. Just accept we’re not good enough this season and let him start his prep for next season.

[Elizabeth]

There's not a chance this side gets relegated twice in 2 seasons - 1000/1
The gulf in class between Arsenal and us is huge - we've beaten the 2 teams that came up with us this season

Burnley will destroy 90% of them teams in the championship

It really is a rough ride but we have to tough it out. Clearly many can't.
I would be more disappointed than I am after today's surrender if Pace pulls the plug on Kompany. There is a clear long term plan and you just don't tear that up otherwise you lose all belief.
Of course I feel vulnerable as a supporter but I would be deflated if Kompany was sacked now. I do expect though the board to be discussing whether another manager could take their plan forward because he has performed poorly this season.

[Nori1958]

It’s such a stupid argument.

There’s plenty of managers that will get the team with the biggest budget promoted next season.

Why would anyone want VK to get us promoted? We would just have to suffer through this shite again.

If its that stupid there must be loads of managers in your list to replace him, so who?

[Jakubclaret]

Pace gave Kompany a new contract until 2028. So sacking him now would mean being prepared to pay off four years worth of his no doubt very high wages. Pace would probably need to take out another loan to cover that - and find a new manager and coaching staff on top of that.

Can't see how it happens.

Precisely. it would take eye watering astronomical sums to see the back end of him & his entourage.

[Nori1958]

It really is a rough ride but we have to tough it out. Clearly many can't.
I would be more disappointed than I am after today's surrender if Pace pulls the plug on Kompany. There is a clear long term plan and you just don't tear that up otherwise you lose all belief.
Of course I feel vulnerable as a supporter but I would be deflated if Kompany was sacked now. I do expect though the board to be discussing whether another manager could take their plan forward because he has performed poorly this season.

The CEO of our club said midweek he was the safest manager of the 92, so I wouldn't worry too much

[TsarBomba]

The reason to replace him now, is NOT to avoid relegation, it's to let a new manager get his feet under the table and be ready for next season in the Championship, which is now totally inevitable.

Today was appalling and the fact that only half the crowd stayed until the end, said it all. Surely Alan Pace has had enough by now. I know most fans have

This wouldn’t work in our circumstances. Not now. We’ve left it too long if we were going to change manager. We’re cut adrift, confidence is shot, what manager is going to want to come in and manage this mess for 13 games? And then end up with a relegation on their CV that isn’t down to them? Not many, I suspect. Not managers that we want long term, anyway.

If we did get rid of VK now, not that I think we will, then the only real option is to give it to Jackson to manage to the end of the season, and give a new manager the whole summer.

No way a manager like McKenna (or a manager of that ilk) comes at this point.

[Bowclaret]

Got to keep VK

He will get it right and learn from this for sure.

We messed up big time not getting our warrior THB. We messed up not getting our goal scorer Nathan Tella and messed up not getting Maatsen for sure.

We should now build a team around Berge and go again with his knowledge. The Championship is poor, very poor and even this current team would storm that league.

5 year plan - Stick to it with VK !

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Don't want him to go but there is **** all to look forward for the remainder of the season and I expect a few more thrashings because those players are lazy and cowardly. At any other club, he would be put on his arse now. Brave faces everyone:

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[agreenwood]

In for me. No question. I like the guy and he still has plenty of credit in the bank with me from such an enjoyable season last year.

That said, lessons clearly need to be learned. The naivety/arrogance that appears to have driven our recruitment last summer, cannot ever be repeated.

[Culmclaret]

I very much doubt this team would storm the Championship.

[Jakubclaret]

Got to keep VK

He will get it right and learn from this for sure.

We messed up big time not getting our warrior THB. We messed up not getting our goal scorer Nathan Tella and messed up not getting Maatsen for sure.

We should now build a team around Berge and go again with his knowledge. The Championship is poor, very poor and even this current team would storm that league.

5 year plan - Stick to it with VK !

"Got to keep vk" it's astoundingly humourous that some person are even entertaining the idea of it being optional when the finances dictate otherwise.

[agreenwood]

In for me. No question. I like the guy and he still has plenty of credit in the bank with me from such an enjoyable season last year.

That said, lessons clearly need to be learned. The naivety/arrogance that appears to have driven our recruitment last summer, cannot ever be repeated.

[Holtyclaret]

Precisely. it would take eye watering astronomical sums to see the back end of him & his entourage.

A) irrelevant as he isn’t going anywhere
B) he would only be paid until he starts a new role, which wouldn’t be long
C) £3.5m a year I think he’s on (low in terms of epl managers)
D) if you worry so much about the cost, if he’s sacked after a poor start next season (high likelihood this won’t happen) then it’d be considerably cheaper. He’d be back on his champ wage and a year less contract
E) irrelevant as he isn’t going anywhere

Personally I’d let Pace have the worry of the logistics of all that, didn’t stop him sacking Dyche.

[FCBurnley]

The decision for Pace is can he continue to support thru this season and will he get us promoted next season ? Personally I doubt it. Will be a strong league next season We have been unlucky with decisions and injuries but I assume VK has chosen the players we have signed ( subject to board approval) and that is my big worry. Is our current team good enough for promotion next season ? Final decision is can we afford to fire VK even if we want to ? Obviously I have no knowledge of the terms of his contract. Tough call for Pace which personally I don’t think he has the experience or the knowledge of UK football to make. Interesting times ahead

[Dark Cloud]

Weirdly I think he's absolutely bombed this season from recruitment to team selection to substitutions, BUT he ****** it last season, so based on the fact that we're going down and have been from basically the third or fourth game and we'll be championship come August, it makes sense to stick with him and with this squad. They're clearly very good and SHOULD walk the championship. Obviously when it comes to Premier League, they're not good enough and that's another matter.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If its that stupid there must be loads of managers in your list to replace him, so who?

I have posted numerous managers over the season.

Right now Cooper is probably the best shout.

Theres plenty of decent coaches out there and some are free transfers.

Hassenhutl, Marsche for example.

[Jakubclaret]

A) irrelevant as he isn’t going anywhere
B) he would only be paid until he starts a new role, which wouldn’t be long
C) £3.5m a year I think he’s on (low in terms of epl managers)
D) if you worry so much about the cost, if he’s sacked after a poor start next season (high likelihood this won’t happen) then it’d be considerably cheaper. He’d be back on his champ wage and a year less contract
E) irrelevant as he isn’t going anywhere

Personally I’d let Pace have the worry of the logistics of all that, didn’t stop him sacking Dyche.

We have discussed this before & you failed to answer this question so I'll ask you it again. who would take kompany on? Bearing in mind it'd have to be tempting enough for him to forfeit any severance allowances meaning a bigger club than us would need to come in for him.

[Nori1958]

I have posted numerous managers over the season.

Right now Cooper is probably the best shout.

Theres plenty of decent coaches out there and some are free transfers.

Hassenhutl, Marsche for example.

No thanks

[kentonclaret]

Got to keep VK

He will get it right and learn from this for sure.

We messed up big time not getting our warrior THB. We messed up not getting our goal scorer Nathan Tella and messed up not getting Maatsen for sure.

We should now build a team around Berge and go again with his knowledge. The Championship is poor, very poor and even this current team would storm that league.

5 year plan - Stick to it with VK !

In all likelihood we will end this season bottom of the PL behind both Luton and Sheffield United.
Wishful thinking that we are going to storm the Championship next season given that a rebuild will again be needed and several other clubs in the Championship have incoming new investment.

[Newchurch Claret]

It was clear after the first month or so that he’d made huge mistakes in the transfer market, that he was woefully out of his depth, that he’d disrupted the squad beyond repair without good reason and that he was making the same tactical and selection mistakes without learning from those mistakes.

Nothing has changed.

If he wasn’t Vincent Kompany, he’d have been sacked months ago and rightly so.

[Burnley1989]

"Got to keep vk" it's astoundingly humourous that some person are even entertaining the idea of it being optional when the finances dictate otherwise.

Fair play, you’ve repeated that a hell of a lot of times

[TsarBomba]

I have posted numerous managers over the season.

Right now Cooper is probably the best shout.

Theres plenty of decent coaches out there and some are free transfers.

Hassenhutl, Marsche for example.

We can’t afford Jesse Marsch. No way Cooper comes to us, been linked with Palace and wants to stay in the PL. No idea about Hassenhutl.

No long term manager that we want would come in now to end up with a guaranteed relegation on their CV.

It’s too late to change manager, not that we should anyway.

[daveisaclaret]

I think I'm VK in. Don't think this is a sensible time to change manager because nobody can save us from relegation and as we learned after we sacked Dyche you're better off waiting until the summer to find a replacement. And in the summer we'll be looking forward to the Championship which we should be pretty confident about with VK in charge.

The big caveat is that he needs to have learned big lessons from what happened last summer and at the minute it doesn't feel like he's learned anything. My concern is that we will have a third consecutive summer of massive turnover and we will find that the success in the summer of 2022 is not something anyone can do consistently.

[Jakubclaret]

Fair play, you’ve repeated that a hell of a lot of times

& I'll keep repeating it until some people have grasped the enormity of what it'd cost to see the back end of him. SD is a completely different beast in terms of attracting interest from outside clubs won't be another everton or another club of a similar stature wanting kompany to save pace this time round.

[Swizzlestick]

Fair play, you’ve repeated that a hell of a lot of times

Just be thankful he isn’t talking about how cushy prison is.

[FCBurnley]

I cannot imagine how Benson and Muric must feel each and every week
The good news for them is they are good players who will get new clubs no problem

[Holtyclaret]

We have discussed this before & you failed to answer this question so I'll ask you it again. who would take kompany on? Bearing in mind it'd have to be tempting enough for him to forfeit any severance allowances meaning a bigger club than us would need to come in for him.

Yes it’s Groundhog Day.

Vk would have plenty of opportunities, he is a v wealthy chap already so would be more interested in getting his career back on track than worry about being on gardening leave. A fledgling manager wouldn’t want to be out too long you’d think

Think we concluded last time that only time would tell but it seems a mard-arsed reaction to a defeat by the in-form potential champions has troubled you with your ill-informed view that we can’t afford to sack vk has re-surfaced. Bless you.

[Newcastleclaret93]

No thanks

I don’t get your logic at all.

You’re saying no thanks to managers with considerably better records than VK.

Serious question are you only a fan because of who he is?

I can’t think of any logical reason you would want him

[BigJay]

Whether we want VK in or out, he'll be given another opportunity next season regardless. I fear for us next season. The players he's brought in are miles off Premier league level and have cost us more than we've ever spent on transfers. There's a naivety one would never had expected after last season, tactics, leadership on and off the pitch, team selections, organisation, experience and fight. Its very very worrying

[Holtyclaret]

I don’t get your logic at all.

You’re saying no thanks to managers with considerably better records than VK.

Serious question are you only a fan because of who he is?

I can’t think of any logical reason you would want him

Did you want Dyche out when he failed in his first prem year?

[TPClaret]

100% any team in the championship next season would take VK as their manager

[Murger]

There’s so much ******** about how VK is still learning. He’s managed more games the Gary O’Neill and Rob Edwards. They are both head and shoulders above VK atm.

[CoolClaret]

There’s so much ******** about how VK is still learning. He’s managed more games the Gary O’Neill and Rob Edwards. They are both head and shoulders above VK atm.

I think some don't realise he managed for 3 seasons in Belgium before coming over here.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Did you want Dyche out when he failed in his first prem year?

Again like comparing apples to pears.

Not even remotely similar situations.

[daveisaclaret]

Did you want Dyche out when he failed in his first prem year?

I wasn't even aware Dyche had failed in his first prem year. At the time it seemed we'd made good signings and put out a competitive team.

[Vim Fuego]

OUT I would say, he has failed miserably and is not learning quickly enough

But... he does know how to get out of the Championship. So he will stay

[AmbleClaret]

Feel like I have absolutely 0 connection to this squad after how much they’ve torn apart and thrown a new one together. Don’t feel like changing manager would make a difference.

Me too,50 years in as well, it's sad that I feel like this.

[Holtyclaret]

I wasn't even aware Dyche had failed in his first prem year. At the time it seemed we'd made good signings and put out a competitive team.

We were relegated weren’t we? Generally considered failure, like this season.

[Jakubclaret]

Yes it’s Groundhog Day.

Vk would have plenty of opportunities, he is a v wealthy chap already so would be more interested in getting his career back on track than worry about being on gardening leave. A fledgling manager wouldn’t want to be out too long you’d think

Think we concluded last time that only time would tell but it seems a mard-arsed reaction to a defeat by the in-form potential champions has troubled you with your ill-informed view that we can’t afford to sack vk has re-surfaced. Bless you.

Yes I'm just imagining debt & loans it doesn't exist.

[helmclaret]

As painful as it is right now, I’d stick with him.

I just wish we weren’t so far off it this season.

[willsclarets]

It’s such a stupid argument.

There’s plenty of managers that will get the team with the biggest budget promoted next season.

Why would anyone want VK to get us promoted? We would just have to suffer through this shite again.

Why is it so beyond the realms of possibility that Kompany could improve as a manager? Why do we have to throw the baby out with the bathwater after one bad season? Do we really want to be like most the other clubs that turnover managers everytime there's a rough patch. Where does it get them?

I understand its frustrating to watch at the moment, but we have to let things develop. The squad will improve, Kompany will improve. I really hope the majority of fans will stick with him, this squad of players are incredibly green and will be so much better in a couple of years. Even then Kompany won't be 40 years of age.

[Holtyclaret]

Again like comparing apples to pears.

Not even remotely similar situations.

Relegation following promotion (with a fair chance of a swift return).

Pretty much identical I’d suggest unless you’re slanting towards VKs allowed net spend of circa £50m over four windows as opposed to Dyche who had two bob but inherited some solid players as a starting point.

Plus footballs spiralled financially in the 10 years since.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Why is it so beyond the realms of possibility that Kompany could improve as a manager? Why do we have to throw the baby out with the bathwater after one bad season? Do we really want to be like most the other clubs that turnover managers everytime there's a rough patch. Where does it get them?

I understand its frustrating to watch at the moment, but we have to let things develop. The squad will improve, Kompany will improve. I really hope the majority of fans will stick with him, this squad of players are incredibly green and will be so much better in a couple of years. Even then Kompany won't be 40 years of age.

If you can name me a single premier league manager that has recovered from a 20 point season (if we even even get that many) and gone on to be successful.

This season is career defining for him unfortunately.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised (if sacked) if he just becomes a pundit