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[ksrclaret]

I think (don’t know) that will have been one of Kompanys demands to come. He’s an astute business man.

More astute than the Chairman if that's true.

[CrosspoolClarets]

We aren't staying up and the way things are going this season I wouldn't trust VK to repeat last seasons highs, if by chance he did what confidence would you have in another Prem campaign with him ?

Think of a 37 year old manager as a 20 year old player - 2 years later he will be much older and wiser.

Look at Palace - just appointed a manager 12 years older with 4 years Bundesliga under him. Experience matters.

The issue is really do we believe the pundits and managers who say VK will soon be a top coach. Personally I do.

[Cubanforever]

Probably the same as I had when we went down with dyche.
A year more experience, players with more experience

Yes more experience but no sign that he's learning and how many players will move....another rebuild, more money, more risk and all to give VK another chance ?

[Mansfield claret]

Yes more experience but no sign that he's learning and how many players will move....another rebuild, more money, more risk and all to give VK another chance ?

We cannot say if he will have learnt more by the end of next season at this stage, you'd hope he would
I don't know how many players will move this season other than the out of contract players, I don't think many, bearing in mind the injuries, and contract situations. If any do leave it will be for reasonable money, which can be used to replace, but it's not about giving VK another chance, it's for giving the club the best chance of bouncing back quickly

[Cubanforever]

We cannot say if he will have learnt more by the end of next season at this stage, you'd hope he would
I don't know how many players will move this season other than the out of contract players, I don't think many, bearing in mind the injuries, and contract situations. If any do leave it will be for reasonable money, which can be used to replace, but it's not about giving VK another chance, it's for giving the club the best chance of bouncing back quickly

Agreed but I'm not confident he'd do it again

[Dark Cloud]

Agreed but I'm not confident he'd do it again

I am (confident he'd do it again) but tbf that depends very much on keeping the majority of this squad together and that's not a given unfortunately.

[Dark Cloud]

For all their failings at this level, most of the current squad are far, far too good for the championship and after last season you (probably) have to feel the same about the manager.

[elwaclaret]

I think (don’t know) that will have been one of Kompanys demands to come. He’s an astute business man.

VK’s qualification is business theory and models, is no slight to his qualification to point out that it is one thing to demonstrate his understanding in academic essays, and another to be able to translate that knowledge into real world application.

As someone with autism I am familiar with the fact I’m best served having cooling off periods; so that I can look at my work with fresh eyes… something I think VK needs; a proper break from the day to day (in the summer). Every artist has to stand away from his own canvas to see the big picture developing from the detail.

Why I remain behind VK for the longer term.

[fidelcastro]

For all their failings at this level, most of the current squad are far, far too good for the championship and after last season you (probably) have to feel the same about the manager.

Which players are too good for the Championship?

We have some good Championship players. It doesn't mean they're too good for it though.

[Spiral]

Personally I think Kompany definitely is going to be a top coach. I can see him managing huge teams, and that might lead to the belief that if we bear the mistakes now, we reap the rewards of his development as a coach. I used to believe that, truly, but of late I'm thinking of it like this: use a relationship as an analogy.

In a relationship, someone can make a terrible mistake. The relationship might be patched up, but the mistake might cause a lot of harm and lead to the decline of the inured party. And even if the one making the mistake puts right the error, the relationship might still be irrecoverable. The one making the mistake might become a better person for the mistake if they learn and grow from it, but they can never be that better person with the one they injured, only with another.

He's probably going to the top, but I worry about him ever recovering from this period with us specifically. I think he takes these harsh lessons (the damage caused by a high squad turnover/casting aside winners, stubbornness in tactics and personnel, perhaps man-management errors?), I think he takes these lessons to his next team. I don't see how little changes to the training or to the team talks alter this awful trajectory, and I don't see any evidence of a desire to change the approach. I don't see the players fighting for him or for their teammates. They won't save him. The fans are pi$$ed off. Fully paid-up season ticket holders are staying away from the Turf, WTF? They won't save him. I just see the energy and fight ebbing away from this team week by week. You need a win to give you a lift, and it's been a very long time (years) since a Burnley win has looked so distant. So if he does learn from this season (and he will), I don't think it's for us to be the beneficiary, because the rot seems too deep. I think the decline is terminal, and carries over into the championship. I can't see how vitality can come from within at this point.

[fidelcastro]

He won't go to the top.

[Westleigh]

Personally I think Kompany definitely is going to be a top coach. I can see him managing huge teams, and that might lead to the belief that if we bear the mistakes now, we reap the rewards of his development as a coach. I used to believe that, truly, but of late I'm thinking of it like this: use a relationship as an analogy.

In a relationship, someone can make a terrible mistake. The relationship might be patched up, but the mistake might cause a lot of harm and lead to the decline of the inured party. And even if the one making the mistake puts right the error, the relationship might still be irrecoverable. The one making the mistake might become a better person for the mistake if they learn and grow from it, but they can never be that better person with the one they injured, only with another.

He's probably going to the top, but I worry about him ever recovering from this period with us specifically. I think he takes these harsh lessons (the damage caused by a high squad turnover/casting aside winners, stubbornness in tactics and personnel, perhaps man-management errors?), I think he takes these lessons to his next team. I don't see how little changes to the training or to the team talks alter this awful trajectory, and I don't see any evidence of a desire to change the approach. I don't see the players fighting for him or for their teammates. They won't save him. The fans are pi$$ed off. Fully paid-up season ticket holders are staying away from the Turf, WTF? They won't save him. I just see the energy and fight ebbing away from this team week by week. You need a win to give you a lift, and it's been a very long time (years) since a Burnley win has looked so distant. So if he does learn from this season (and he will), I don't think it's for us to be the beneficiary, because the rot seems too deep. I think the decline is terminal, and carries over into the championship. I can't see how vitality can come from within at this point.

We keep being told that VK will learn from this season,but surely there won’t be a day sometime in May where he realises he’s gone wrong ,you would have thought he would have learnt from day 1 against City,unfortunately he doesn’t seem to have learnt one jot.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Personally I think Kompany definitely is going to be a top coach. I can see him managing huge teams, and that might lead to the belief that if we bear the mistakes now, we reap the rewards of his development as a coach. I used to believe that, truly, but of late I'm thinking of it like this: use a relationship as an analogy.

In a relationship, someone can make a terrible mistake. The relationship might be patched up, but the mistake might cause a lot of harm and lead to the decline of the inured party. And even if the one making the mistake puts right the error, the relationship might still be irrecoverable. The one making the mistake might become a better person for the mistake if they learn and grow from it, but they can never be that better person with the one they injured, only with another.

He's probably going to the top, but I worry about him ever recovering from this period with us specifically. I think he takes these harsh lessons (the damage caused by a high squad turnover/casting aside winners, stubbornness in tactics and personnel, perhaps man-management errors?), I think he takes these lessons to his next team. I don't see how little changes to the training or to the team talks alter this awful trajectory, and I don't see any evidence of a desire to change the approach. I don't see the players fighting for him or for their teammates. They won't save him. The fans are pi$$ed off. Fully paid-up season ticket holders are staying away from the Turf, WTF? They won't save him. I just see the energy and fight ebbing away from this team week by week. You need a win to give you a lift, and it's been a very long time (years) since a Burnley win has looked so distant. So if he does learn from this season (and he will), I don't think it's for us to be the beneficiary, because the rot seems too deep. I think the decline is terminal, and carries over into the championship. I can't see how vitality can come from within at this point.

The funny thing is if he wasn’t called Vincent Kompany you wouldn’t even remotely be thinking he’s going to be a top manager.

The reality is, he’s not going to be. Statistically no manager has ever had a season this bad in the premier league and gone on to be successful.

He will likely end up being a pundit in a few years when he realises Man City etc…. Aren’t even remotely interested

[bumba]

The funny thing is if he wasn’t called Vincent Kompany you wouldn’t even remotely be thinking he’s going to be a top manager.

The reality is, he’s not going to be. Statistically no manager has ever had a season this bad in the premier league and gone on to be successful.

He will likely end up being a pundit in a few years when he realises Man City etc…. Aren’t even remotely interested

His name is the only reason he still has a job

[CoolClaret]

Can't sleep, utterly ticked off.

It's quite staggering where we find ourselves isn't it?!

VK's persistence with some players is gonna get him sacked. It's such a strange hill to die on. Proper baffling.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Can't sleep, utterly ticked off.

It's quite staggering where we find ourselves isn't it?!

VK's persistence with some players is gonna get him sacked. It's such a strange hill to die on. Proper baffling.

Looks like JJ Watt is starting to lose his cool a bit. Firing back at a fan on Twitter.

The cracks are starting to show. Time is running out for our future superstar manager

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Who decided it was a good idea to dismantle the existing scouting network in favour of using one associated with the current first team manager?

There aren't actually any words to describe a club who run their business like that.

Spit Roasted ?

[Vegas Claret]

The excuse that it was great teams who were beating us just doesn't hold water anymore.

Palace were anything but a great team, and were without three of their best players.

It's beyond embarrassing and Kompany needs to go now!

who's the realistic replacement ?

[Vegas Claret]

Looks like JJ Watt is starting to lose his cool a bit. Firing back at a fan on Twitter.

The cracks are starting to show. Time is running out for our future superstar manager

not sure he is losing his cool with the manager, just the dickheads

[Newcastleclaret93]

not sure he is losing his cool with the manager, just the dickheads

Regardless, firing back at fans on social media is clearly not a good sign for the club.

[Vegas Claret]

I'm assuming this is what you are talking about ?

[Vegas Claret]

Regardless, firing back at fans on social media is clearly not a good sign for the club.

Hang on, people moan like f^ck that there is no communication and now when he does communicate 'it's not a good sign' for the club

It truly beggars belief some of the stuff coming out of our supporters at the moment

[CoolClaret]

I'm assuming this is what you are talking about ?

That's about as good of a (public) response as you could hope to have from a part owner/investor.

[Vegas Claret]

That's about as good of a (public) response as you could hope to have from a part owner/investor.

I think so, credit to him for bothering. It's been met pretty positively other than a few comments from the usual suspects. Like I said, folks moan about lack of communication then moan when there is.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Hang on, people moan like f^ck that there is no communication and now when he does communicate 'it's not a good sign' for the club

It truly beggars belief some of the stuff coming out of our supporters at the moment

You do realise people can have different opinions? I’m sure some supporters love that fact JJ is coming out with this sort of stuff.

I personally think it’s a sign that pressure is growing. This mode of communication on issues isn’t common from the club and to me it personally looks like he’s getting sick of getting pelters online.

Like I said I don’t think it’s a good sign that one of our owners is reacting like that.

[Vegas Claret]

You do realise people can have different opinions? I’m sure some supporters love that fact JJ is coming out with this sort of stuff.

I personally think it’s a sign that pressure is growing. This mode of communication on issues isn’t common from the club and to me it personally looks like he’s getting sick of getting pelters online.

Like I said I don’t think it’s a good sign that one of our owners is reacting like that.

to be fair, not sure I made reference specifically to 'your opinion', more the generic fact that people beat the club, it's owners and employees with a stick at every single opportunity regardless of what they do. I've said it on here loads, we could beat Man City 5-0 and some would complain it wasn't 6

[Jakubclaret]

I can't think of one instance in the history of football where a club in a death spiral withheld from sacking their manager for the very reason that they 'couldn't afford it'.

There's a first time for everything & they'll be plenty of instances it's just not publicised - club keeps hold of manager because they cannot afford to dismiss or words to that effect. In some cases it'll go on for that long a turning point might arise where improvements happen or it'll pass a certain contractual threshold where paying any said manager off will be in reduced terms, say for example it's enshrined in the contract that if any said club falls within the relegation zone for a specified time period the contract will be in breach & consideration to be reviewed.

[fidelcastro]

who's the realistic replacement ?

Bertie Bee.

[Boss Hogg]

Any League 2 manager would probably have picked up more points than VK this season. We’d probably still have been relegated but they’d have made a better fist of it.

[steve1264b]

Bertie Bee.

Sexist what about Bella?

[THEWELLERNUT70]

For all their failings at this level, most of the current squad are far, far too good for the championship and after last season you (probably) have to feel the same about the manager.

In theory yes but in application doubtful as numerous no shows with little effort applied this season have shown

[Clovius Boofus]

His name is the only reason he still has a job

Last season's 29 wins, 14 draws, only 3 losses, and 101 points, never happened.

[bumba]

Last season's 29 wins, 14 draws, only 3 losses, and 101 points, never happened.

Never happened with this squad no

[Hipper]

Who decided it was a good idea to dismantle the existing scouting network in favour of using one associated with the current first team manager?

There aren't actually any words to describe a club who run their business like that.

What existing scouting network? The Dyche/Garlick one? Was that any good, especially with younger players which has been our direction since VK came?

[Woodleyclaret]

Time and time again players were not recruited
Oli Watkins ,Exeter .Matty Cash Forest.Oli Norwood. Jon Swift Reading. these all showed promise buy we didn't pursue
Personally VK has bought an excellent network and signed good players( Ramsey and Tressor excepted)

[Jamesy]

Mmmm, Ramsay and Tresor? Once we have paid the 15 million quid for Tresor at the end of this season, these two will have cost around £30 million. Add Trafford and Amdouni to these, a further 32 million and he has spent £62 million pounds, not Euros on four players. None of them are of the standard required. So how you can praise his network and say he has made good signings is beyond me.

[agreenwood]

What existing scouting network? The Dyche/Garlick one? Was that any good, especially with younger players which has been our direction since VK came?

Allegedly ALK’s hands were all over the transfer dealings in the summer before the 2021/22 season, so maybe we can’t count those.

Going further back and ignoring the kids we signed for the U23s:

2018-19 - Gibson, Hart, Vydra, Crouch
2019-20 - Rodriguez, Pieters, Brownhill
2020-21 - Norris, Stephens

If there was a scouting network of any pedigree prior to ALK, it’d be hard to argue that we were making good use of it. The summer of 2017/18 was arguably the last time under Garlick that we made some difference making signings, but even then it was largely pretty well known names from the PL/Championship scene - Cork, Wood, Taylor, Barton & Bardsley.

[Westleigh]

Mmmm, Ramsay and Tresor? Once we have paid the 15 million quid for Tresor at the end of this season, these two will have cost around £30 million. Add Trafford and Amdouni to these, a further 32 million and he has spent £62 million pounds, not Euros on four players. None of them are of the standard required. So how you can praise his network and say he has made good signings is beyond me.

This seasons signings have been mostly disastrous,but last seasons were exceptional even Bastien was better than Ramsay and Tresor ,and McNally may have turned out better if he hadn’t have gone on loan,Churlinov might have been ok but for his illness and injury but we’ll never know,

[Ric_C]

Personally I think he and VK have been more arrogant in their approach, and under estimated the toughness of this league.

I can just imagine these conversations happening:

"THB for 20 million? - We could get him, but I think O'Shea is better value.

Tella for £16 million? - Way overpriced, why don't we get young prospects with greater sell on potential?

Don't worry Alan, I'll turn them into £20 million players and we can sell for a vast profit (including my cut of course)"

[Westleigh]

Personally I think he and VK have been more arrogant in their approach, and under estimated the toughness of this league.

I can just imagine these conversations happening:

"THB for 20 million? - We could get him, but I think O'Shea is better value.

Tella for £16 million? - Way overpriced, why don't we get young prospects with greater sell on potential?

Don't worry Alan, I'll turn them into £20 million players and we can sell for a vast profit (including my cut of course)"

Your very synical