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Bad as Laws era

Post by Spiral » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:34 pm

Gutless, aimless, clueless, dunno what else to say.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:35 pm

It’s technically worse, in the Premier League at least, as much as it pains me to say it.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:35 pm

It's worse.

Laws was managing a team (predominantly) made up of champ journeymen that just had their hearts ripped out when Judas fobbed off.

This guy has ripped the heart out whilst spending a small fortune in doing so!
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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Guller Bull » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:37 pm

Up to about three weeks ago I would have laughed at this but it is everything you say.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Poulton-le-Claret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:37 pm

It's worse.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Spiral » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:39 pm

Probably is worse, actually.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:39 pm

It probably is the worse we've been at this level, I like Kompany but he's made so many huge mistakes with signings and selection.

I keep thinking he will turn it around but Ive seen nothing all season to suggest we are anything but a bottom 3 club.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by bfcjg » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:39 pm

Worse,far far worse.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Spiral » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:40 pm

Actually regressed in the last few months. I've no clue what we're even trying to do anymore.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by daveisaclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:41 pm

Not really convinced VK is going to end the season with more wins than Laws had in his half season.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:42 pm

Awful performance

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Spiral » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:44 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:42 pm
Awful performance
Ha ha, which game you on about? Everything bar SheffU and Brighton has been rank. Even the Luton and Fulham games where we picked up points were sloppy.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by claptrappers_union » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:45 pm

Laws was managing a team that wasn't his. Kompany has built two different teams

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:45 pm

Where it is similar is that we were crying out for experience last month to help a relegation slog and we sign 3 youngsters.

Laws signed youngster Jack Cork in similar situations.

The young players heads dropping has been a similar theme in both seasons, though we had more experience in 2010 and were stabbed in the back by the original manager.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by jlup1980 » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:45 pm

Vastly worse than under Laws. There isn't another club in the country who would have stood by the manager as long as we have.

Dyche took us to another level over a decade. We've regressed more than a decade in 8 months. It's that bad. If we keep VK in charge we'll be in another relegation scrap next season... likely with Trafford STILL in goal.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Goliath » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:45 pm

That Laws team had some good performances in it when they ignored instructions and just played like Coyles team.
This team has nothing anymore.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by NickBFC » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:46 pm

This is worse.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Cooclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:47 pm

How are those who want him to stay going to defend this absolute shambles?

Pathetic that they continue to blindly follow the manager, Kompany has to answer with his JOB tonight!

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:47 pm

Worse. Much much worse.

Worst we have been since Cotterill's dreadful run

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Spiral » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:51 pm

Triple sub at 90 mins. Why?
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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:54 pm

Cooclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:47 pm
How are those who want him to stay going to defend this absolute shambles?

Pathetic that they continue to blindly follow the manager, Kompany has to answer with his JOB tonight!
Nobody’s defending anything, its utterly, utterly shite and we’re one of the worst ever top flight teams, but I just can’t see the point in sacking VK now, without seeing how we start next season first.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:55 pm

Spiral wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:34 pm
Gutless, aimless, clueless, dunno what else to say.
But you somehow managed.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Cooclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:57 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:54 pm
Nobody’s defending anything, its utterly, utterly shite and we’re one of the worst ever top flight teams, but I just can’t see the point in sacking VK now, without seeing how we start next season first.
The rot is set in. It needs cutting out.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:57 pm

Worse

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:58 pm

This is worse and I never thought I'd ever find myself saying that.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Poulton-le-Claret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:59 pm

Keep VK, if he gets sacked he walks off into the sunset. He needs to sit and suffer for the rest of this season, like we all have to.

Just a shame we can't do anything about this shambles, but he could and he chooses not to.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by jlup1980 » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:03 pm

Spiral wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:44 pm
Ha ha, which game you on about? Everything bar SheffU and Brighton has been rank. Even the Luton and Fulham games where we picked up points were sloppy.
If we're being harsh you can discount the Sheff U performance as well. Their players had clearly given up on Heckingbottom and used the game to get shot of him.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by oswyclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:09 pm

Can't wait to see his after match interview, no one in their right mind, can defend this abysmal performance!

Like they say in politics...the honourable gentleman, should do the right thing and resign.....immediately!

I really do fear for the future of our great club, with yours truly at the helm.

Promotion next season isn't automatically guaranteed...as we all know!!!

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:13 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:39 pm

I keep thinking he will turn it around but Ive seen nothing all season to suggest we are anything but a bottom 3 club.
Bottom 2 and would definitely be at the very bottom in any other season.
Sheff Utd are probably worse than us, but when they beat us at Bramall Lane we'll be below them, (if not before then).

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Belgianclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:15 pm

Worse. At least Brian’s daughter was very fit at the time 😜

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Murger » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:16 pm

Laws was a disastrous appointment. But Jesus wept, VK looks hopeless.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Shaggy » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:17 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:41 pm
Not really convinced VK is going to end the season with more wins than Laws had in his half season.
I can’t see where the next win is coming from, we could end the season with no more wins the way it’s going and the bottom
Of the table is becoming a stark reality

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:19 pm

Went out for afternoon and followed on my phone. Was expecting some reaction but then saw line up. As last week well past caring and evidently so are the players.
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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:20 pm

oswyclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:09 pm

I really do fear for the future of our great club, with yours truly at the helm.
You're taking over?

:o

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Steddyman » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:20 pm

I'm at the point where I don't want to go on another game now, until VK is gone.
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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by jlup1980 » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:22 pm

Murger wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:16 pm
Laws was a disastrous appointment. But Jesus wept, VK looks hopeless.
If he has an ounce of decency he should admit he's out of his depth and walk away tonight.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Boss Hogg » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:23 pm

I watched all the Laws matches. He did his best but inherited a poisoned chalice. This is all VK’s doing and nothing has changed for the better since the start of the season. I’ve stopped going on even though I have a paid ticked. It’s just crap to watch with the same problems every week.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:25 pm

This season is worse than Laws.
Last season was better than anything Laws could even imagine.

That’s the only thing saving him at the moment.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:26 pm

jlup1980 wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:22 pm
If he has an ounce of decency he should admit he's out of his depth and walk away tonight.
If he tries to spin it that we were unlucky or something, then I may just boycott Turf Moor until he's gone.

How embarrassing is it now looking that he said the opening game against City would be the worst we'd play all season? :oops:

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:26 pm

The thing that Laws had going for him was that he didn't spend £100+m to serve up such shite.

Kompany could write a book on how to systematically take apart the culture of an organisation.
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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:27 pm

Didn’t laws get 33 points? We are going to be nowhere near that way it’s going.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:29 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:26 pm
The thing that Laws had going for him was that he didn't spend £100+m to serve up such shite.

Kompany could write a book on how to systematically take apart the culture of an organisation.
Aided and abetted by the owners.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:31 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:27 pm
Didn’t laws get 33 points? We are going to be nowhere near that way it’s going.
We went down that season with 30 points.

We won 10 of those points under Laws.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:32 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:27 pm
Didn’t laws get 33 points? We are going to be nowhere near that way it’s going.
No.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:32 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:31 pm
We went down that season with 30 points.

We won 10 of those points under Laws.
He’s 3 points worse off than Kompany then 👍

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by jlup1980 » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:39 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:26 pm
If he tries to spin it that we were unlucky or something, then I may just boycott Turf Moor until he's gone.

How embarrassing is it now looking that he said the opening game against City would be the worst we'd play all season? :oops:
I've been a season ticket holder for 35 years and I have never wanted to miss a match. I didn't bother going against Liverpool or Arsenal this season. No point anymore and I can get behind anything. I mean we've been served up some real tripe over the last 30 years. I'm not a "boo-boy" either. Just give me something that resembles a football team and I'll get behind it.

I can make excuses for all our previous managers. Dyche didn't get the backing he should have, Howe didn't have the players for his style, Laws was in an impossible position (no one wanted him and Coyle ripped the heart out of the club) etc etc... I could go on whether it's Coyle, Stan or Mullen.

However, there are no excuses for Vincent. He's had more resources than every other Burnley manager in history put together. This is now 100% his team. He decided to rip apart last seasons squad. He decided to stick with players who are clearly not as good as the ones they were signed to replace. He should walk, tonight, no excuses.
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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by Shaggy » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:40 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:54 pm
Nobody’s defending anything, its utterly, utterly shite and we’re one of the worst ever top flight teams, but I just can’t see the point in sacking VK now, without seeing how we start next season first.
I just don’t get this naive thinking. Elite sports is as much about mentality as it is physicality and actual skill. Kompany has single handedly destroyed a team and it’s spirit. The death spiral set in a while ago and there is no coming back for him now. Carry this hangover into the new season and we could very well be embarrassed. This group of players under Kompany is done.

Just get rid and let Jackson take over until the end of the season and find a good solid manager in the summer to sort this lot out.

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by mdd2 » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:48 pm

Under Laws we P18 W3 D0 L15 F19 A51 GD 32 Pts 9
We have 13 for 26 0.5/game same as laws at present and scored I think 25 in 26 games
I think marginally our defence looks worse but lets wait until the season is over
I think his first game was Man U away but in BL favour he didnt have the equivalent of £100million to spend did he?
He also inherited a squad down from events whereas as VK has turned a buzzing club and fan base into what BL inherited

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:50 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:48 pm
Under Laws we P18 W3 D0 L15 F19 A51 GD 32 Pts 9
We have 13 for 26 0.5/game same as laws at present and scored I think 25 in 26 games
I think marginally our defence looks worse but lets wait until the season is over
I think his first game was Man U away but in BL favour he didnt have the equivalent of £100million to spend did he?
He also inherited a squad down from events whereas as VK has turned a buzzing club and fan base into what BL inherited
Your stats are simply wrong.

No draws? We had one at home to Stoke!

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Re: Bad as Laws era

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:59 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:48 pm
Under Laws we P18 W3 D0 L15 F19 A51 GD 32 Pts 9
We have 13 for 26 0.5/game same as laws at present and scored I think 25 in 26 games
I think marginally our defence looks worse but lets wait until the season is over
I think his first game was Man U away but in BL favour he didnt have the equivalent of £100million to spend did he?
He also inherited a squad down from events whereas as VK has turned a buzzing club and fan base into what BL inherited
Played 18, won 3, drawn 1, lost 14 - 10 points.

First game was away at Old Trafford 3-0 loss.

Wins coming against West Ham home 2-1, Hull City away 4-1, Spurs home 4-2. Draw was Stoke at home 1-1.

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