Available Managers...

[KRBFC]

Lukebakio with... checks notes... 2 goals in 12 for Sevilla?

Some serious excuses made for VK.

Any silly arse can go out and keep buying players - how about managing them in a way to maximise their ability to get results in the Premier League?

It’s not an excuse for VK, it’s just the reality of recruitment. The manager doesn’t negotiate with the selling club, he’s reliant on the club delivering his targets.

[CoolClaret]

It’s not an excuse for VK, it’s just the reality of recruitment. The manager doesn’t negotiate with the selling club, he’s reliant on the club delivering his targets.

As all managers are! Almost nobody other than the top, top clubs will always get their #1 targets.

[JarrowClaret]

I don’t see the point of getting rid of Kompany now unless we have a replacement already we can’t just mark time with Jackson and then appoint someone in the Summer. For me Next Season starts now so whoever is to be our manager at the start of the Championship season should be in charge for our last 12 games this season.

[Stayingup]

Brent --- get him in. Borough won't ask for too much compensation.

[Goliath]

Not as a manager but just read an article that Roy Hodgson is looking to to find a new role at a club more as a technical director. That would probably be an absolutely brilliant appointment for us, great experience that Kompany could lean on.

[Vegas Claret]

For those that are VK out, who would you take?
Have to remember that's going to be one very expensive payoff..

My concerns (as they have been all season) is if the hangover carries on into the next season with such a low points total.

I've just been looking, available managers, some not too farfetched.

Free agents:

Andre Villas-Boas - 14 years on from his application to takeover after Judas left.

Ruud Van Nistlerooy - won silverware with PSV then left because he felt that he wasn't backed, PSV currently doing just fine without him

Steve Cooper - unsure, seems a decent bloke but would you want him for the long term?

Graham Potter? - don't think he'd come

Giovanni Van Bronkhurst? Few good year with Rangers then fell to pot.

Mike Duff - nah, not what we need.

Jesse Marsch - please god no.
Under contract:

McKenna?
Carrick?
Robins?
Corberán?
Knutsen?

Left field:

Pat Noonan, manager in the MLS, won the MLS last season...


Really don't want to be a club that pots gaffers, and would like a long term manager and really wanted it to be VK but can we afford to continue going on getting battered every week?

I just don't see next season being anywhere near like it was in 22/23. The team looks just miles off it.

Thoughts, Clarets?

just checking, which of those managers have won a League Championship in England or a top league ?

[CoolClaret]

just checking, which of those managers have won a League Championship in England or a top league ?

Not many managers have won top leagues outright!

Andre-Vilas Boas - Russian League, Portuguese League
Gio Van Bronkhurst - Eredivisie
Knutsen - Norwegian League (three times)

The thing I'm worried about more than anything Vegas is what happens when the old guard go, which they are in summer (bar JBG who has a year extension if triggered).

The additions last year complimented the existing lot really well - but this years additions are a real mish mash and we have next to no cohesion.

Obviously the league is tougher - under no illusions there but whatever VK is seeing I (and many Clarets) as well as other pundits/writers etc simply aren't.

[chipbutty]

Not as a manager but just read an article that Roy Hodgson is looking to to find a new role at a club more as a technical director. That would probably be an absolutely brilliant appointment for us, great experience that Kompany could lean on.

Sounds a great idea , throw some more money in the bin!

[Vegas Claret]

Not many managers have won top leagues outright!

Andre-Vilas Boas - Russian League, Portuguese League
Gio Van Bronkhurst - Eredivisie
Knutsen - Norwegian League (three times)

The thing I'm worried about more than anything Vegas is what happens when the old guard go, which they are in summer (bar JBG who has a year extension if triggered).

The additions last year complimented the existing lot really well - but this years additions are a real mish mash and we have next to no cohesion.

Obviously the league is tougher - under no illusions there but whatever VK is seeing I (and many Clarets) as well as other pundits/writers etc simply aren't.

I thought Brownhill had an option for a year too (on our side) ?
Yep, it's a concern and trust me I see what you are seeing.....I just have a little more faith (which may be completely misplaced) that a group of intelligent people will figure it out. I've never been one for chopping and changing managers after a bad season. Time will tell, I just don't see an outstanding realistic candidate as a replacement at this moment in time. They know what's required to get out of the league so because of that I'm defaulting to the position they know what we haven't got and will rectify it. The one caveat to everything I've just said is this continually bat **** crazy decision to keep playing Trafford, it smacks of someone who either doesn't know what he is doing (which last season he proved the opposite) or doesn't have a choice.

I just don't see them sacking him at this moment in time either

[mickleoverclaret]

I'd like Cooper but an interesting left field shout might be Will Still.

[boyyanno]

just checking, which of those managers have won a League Championship in England or a top league ?

Is it that relevant?

Out of the last 3 managers that have taken us from the championship to the PL none of them had won a title in England in management had they?- Coyle, Dyche, Kompany- so it would seem rather irrelevant.

[Vegas Claret]

Is it that relevant?

Out of the last 3 managers that have taken us from the championship to the PL none of them had won a title in England in management had they?- Coyle, Dyche, Kompany- so it would seem rather irrelevant.

lets give it Duff or Rooney then

[boyyanno]

lets give it Duff or Rooney then

Or how about giving it to the best candidate?

Of which having won a League title is absolutely irrelevant, as it was previously and is now.

Tell me why its relevant? Although I assume with the flippant response you can't.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

We should have gone for Knutsen ten games ago .

Europa league experience and he was linked with palace last year. Won his division three , four times? Maybe he doesn’t want to leave Norway, understandable.

Cooper would be okay probably and make a better fight of it than we have this season. If we’re still struggling next season ten games in try and get him in might not come at that level though.

The team not turning up every week should be setting alarm bells off somewhere!

[South West Claret.]

Potter I think.

[Rick_Muller]

Vincent Kompany

[CoolClaret]

Potter I think.

Think Potter is waiting for another sort of top 15 PL gig, maybe even something on the continent.

If he's out of work for another year or whatever then maybe it becomes more viable.

[Vegas Claret]

Or how about giving it to the best candidate?

Of which having won a League title is absolutely irrelevant, as it was previously and is now.

Tell me why its relevant? Although I assume with the flippant response you can't.

it's 100% relevant, you are going into a league with a guy who already has that on his CV. I'm yet to see a singe person come out with a sensible viable candidate to replace Kompany. My response was entirely pointed and not remotely flippant

[StayingDown4Ever]

Not as a manager but just read an article that Roy Hodgson is looking to to find a new role at a club more as a technical director. That would probably be an absolutely brilliant appointment for us, great experience that Kompany could lean on.

That’s not an awful idea if we do insist on sticking with Vincent.

[Vegas Claret]

As all managers are! Almost nobody other than the top, top clubs will always get their #1 targets.

and even when they get their top targets most of them don't work

Pep spent 40 million on Philips
I've lost count how much money Fergie wasted but it was a huge amount
Unai Emery spent 72 million on Pepe at Arsenal and Wenger wasted loads of money

As we are finding out, spending money doesn't guarantee anything

[boyyanno]

it's 100% relevant, you are going into a league with a guy who already has that on his CV. I'm yet to see a singe person come out with a sensible viable candidate to replace Kompany. My response was entirely pointed and not remotely flippant

Vincent Kompany didn't have a win on his CV when he joined us though- and he replaced Dyche- who had one win and another promotion.

So how is it relevant?

[Vegas Claret]

Vincent Kompany didn't have a win on his CV when he joined us though- and he replaced Dyche- who had one win and another promotion.

So how is it relevant?

your words
"Or how about giving it to the best candidate?"

So if a guy had a 100+ season title winning season under his belt in the division you were playing in you wouldn't class it as relevant ? Ok then. We are seemingly talking about two different things, I'm talking about viable candidates for next season should they pot Kompany who have a better record, I'm not repeating what I've already put about candidates. You are talking about previous managers who have zero relevance to what I'm talking about. I'm aware they hadn't won it, find me a better 'candidate' than the guy who has already done it for next season.

[Longsidelenny1882]

Keep vinny and stop moaning utc

[South West Claret.]

Potter although he’s from the south.

[boyyanno]

your words
"Or how about giving it to the best candidate?"

So if a guy had a 100+ season title winning season under his belt in the division you were playing in you wouldn't class it as relevant ? Ok then. We are seemingly talking about two different things, I'm talking about viable candidates for next season should they pot Kompany who have a better record, I'm not repeating what I've already put about candidates. You are talking about previous managers who have zero relevance to what I'm talking about. I'm aware they hadn't won it, find me a better 'candidate' than the guy who has already done it for next season.

I'm not talking about anyone?

You literally said that managers had to demonstrate they had won a League in England.

You're trying to have it both ways by dismissing any candidate as being unsuitable to replace Kompany, but the easy way to demonstrate this is by asking you a simple question- Would Neil Warnock be your top pick?

How come? He's the most successful second tier manager ever....

Which comes back to my initial point that it's just one factor that goes into it. Being the best candidate for the job is all that is relevant- of which I'm sure we agree Colin is not.

[Vegas Claret]

You literally said that managers had to demonstrate they had won a League in England.

no I didn't. That's the problem on here, people can't read

[boyyanno]

just checking, which of those managers have won a League Championship in England or a top league ?

Here it is. In response to another poster.

You are dismissing candidates who have not won a League in England. Therfore its one of your requirements

[KRBFC]

Here it is. In response to another poster.

You are dismissing candidates who have not won a League in England. Therfore its one of your requirements

Vegas is talking about the comparison between Kompany and others.

You’re talking about hiring a manager when we haven’t got one.

2 entirely different things, when you’re taking a manager out, you’d want to upgrade by hiring a better manager. Half the people mentioned haven’t achieved half of what VK has in the Championship.

So why would you replace VK with someone like Robins? What’s the justification for that downgrade? VK has 1 season in the Championship, Robins has about 7. Robins has 1 play off place to show for his efforts and I think a couple of relegations.

[Vegas Claret]

Here it is. In response to another poster.

You are dismissing candidates who have not won a League in England. Therfore its one of your requirements

are you struggling to read today mate ? It clearly says 'or top league'

Find me a better candidate than the one we already have, your pre-requisite was 'the best possible candidate'.

[Vegas Claret]

Vegas is talking about the comparison between Kompany and others.

You’re talking about hiring a manager when we haven’t got one.

2 entirely different things, when you’re taking a manager out, you’d want to upgrade by hiring a better manager. Half the people mentioned haven’t achieved half of what VK has in the Championship.

So why would you replace VK with someone like Robins? What’s the justification for that downgrade? VK has 1 season in the Championship, Robins has about 7. Robins has 1 play off place to show for his efforts and I think a couple of relegations.

thankyou, I thought I was going mad

[Westleigh]

Let’s smash the glass ceiling and appoint a female coach.

[boyyanno]

Vegas is talking about the comparison between Kompany and others.

You’re talking about hiring a manager when we haven’t got one.

2 entirely different things, when you’re taking a manager out, you’d want to upgrade by hiring a better manager. Half the people mentioned haven’t achieved half of what VK has in the Championship.

So why would you replace VK with someone like Robins? What’s the justification for that downgrade? VK has 1 season in the Championship, Robins has about 7. Robins has 1 play off place to show for his efforts and I think a couple of relegations.

I understand perfectly well what he was saying but we aren't taking about two different things.

I'm basically saying that for me it's not a requirement that the next manager has a better "CV" than Kompany. I find it irrelevant, I just want the best man for the job.

Dyche had an underwhelming CV as do a lot of successful managers, they generally have to get a job to be considered successful.

[boyyanno]

are you struggling to read today mate ? It clearly says 'or top league'

Find me a better candidate than the one we already have, your pre-requisite was 'the best possible candidate'.

Am I in charge of recruiting the next manager now?

You're requirements are winning a league in England or a foreign league then- so you wouldn't consider Potter? (Not that I think he would come, but you asked for a name). I'd be happy to take a punt on McKenna, like I said it doesn't matter that he hasn't won the championship or anything else, he's doing a good job- that's literally all I want.

You seem to think I've said I want Kompany gone now with x to be his replacement, have you confused me with someone?

[KRBFC]

Am I in charge of recruiting the next manager now?

You're requirements are winning a league in England or a foreign league then- so you wouldn't consider Potter? (Not that I think he would come, but you asked for a name). I'd be happy to take a punt on McKenna, like I said it doesn't matter that he hasn't won the championship or anything else, he's doing a good job- that's literally all I want.

You seem to think I've said I want Kompany gone now with x to be his replacement, have you confused me with someone?

But on what basis would you consider McKenna better for us in the Championship than VK?

We’re gonna sack a 100+ point title winning manager for a punt on a fella?

[AlargeClaret]

Let’s smash the glass ceiling and appoint a female coach.

Or keep the glass/ mirrored ceiling intact and smash a female coach ?

[Gordaleman]

Whoever comes in, it will probably be someone who hasn't been mentioned. After all, when Sean was ditched, did the name Vincent Kompany jump into anyone's mind? I don't think so.

[boyyanno]

But on what basis would you consider McKenna better for us in the Championship than VK?

We’re gonna sack a 100+ point title winning manager for a punt on a fella?

I think you part ways with a manager because they are not getting the best out of what they have. My personal feeling is when you get to that point you aren't trying to replace the manager that they were, but the manager they currently are. I'm not arguing that Kompany is a worse manager than last season, but it's possible that he's a manager for a club with big resources relative to their level, its also possible that he's just made mistakes this year and will take us into the top 4. Who knows!? But right now I've sided with the goes because I don't think he's getting the best out of what he has- that's my bottom line requirement for any manager.

From what I've seen of McKenna he has certainly got the best out of the resource he's had available at Ipswich, and he's competing with bigger teams. That's a scenario that we could well find ourselves in again- so there's possibly some synergy there.

Ultimately I'm a man who wants to see a manager get the most out of the resource he has available. Other people have other metrics to judge on which I accept- but this is mine. I therfore think McKenna has done a sterling job despite not winning the Championship or a foreign league.

[Vegas Claret]

Am I in charge of recruiting the next manager now?

You're requirements are winning a league in England or a foreign league then- so you wouldn't consider Potter? (Not that I think he would come, but you asked for a name). I'd be happy to take a punt on McKenna, like I said it doesn't matter that he hasn't won the championship or anything else, he's doing a good job- that's literally all I want.

You seem to think I've said I want Kompany gone now with x to be his replacement, have you confused me with someone?

When you name people they have to be realistic, no chance on this planet Potter comes. Why on earth would McKenna leave Ipswich to come to us and why do you think he's better than Kompany ?
I've no idea what you've said about Kompany, I've also no idea why you seem to think I said you want Kompany gone either. You are simply making things up now

[Vegas Claret]

Ultimately I'm a man who wants to see a manager get the most out of the resource he has available. Other people have other metrics to judge on which I accept- but this is mine. I therfore think McKenna has done a sterling job despite not winning the Championship or a foreign league.

I agree, also very interesting and noticeable that you are allowed to set a metric for what you think is acceptable in a manager but you seemingly don't accept that others do similar and their metrics are 'irrelevant'

[boyyanno]

When you name people they have to be realistic, no chance on this planet Potter comes. Why on earth would McKenna leave Ipswich to come to us and why do you think he's better than Kompany ?
I've no idea what you've said about Kompany, I've also no idea why you seem to think I said you want Kompany gone either. You are simply making things up now

You asked me for the best possible candidates, I've given you two that don't fit your criteria and you're now saying they wouldn't come anyway- surprise.

Let's face it, if everytime you sack a manager you say the next one has to have a better CV than we'd have never moved from Potts or Dyche. Warnock would be an absolute god and never have left a club. It just doesn't work like that.

[boyyanno]

I agree, also very interesting and noticeable that you are allowed to set a metric for what you think is acceptable in a manager but you seemingly don't accept that others do similar and their metrics are 'irrelevant'

I do find it irrelevant, because you used it as a factor to rule out other potential managers.

And as I've already said and given evidence you can be a good manager without fitting in your criteria, so it's irrelevant.

[Vegas Claret]

You asked me for the best possible candidates, I've given you two that don't fit your criteria and you're now saying they wouldn't come anyway- surprise.

Let's face it, if everytime you sack a manager you say the next one has to have a better CV than we'd have never moved from Potts or Dyche. Warnock would be an absolute god and never have left a club. It just doesn't work like that.

So you don't think there should be realism involved ? F^ck it then, let's wait a year and get Klopp

[boyyanno]

So you don't think there should be realism involved ? F^ck it then, let's wait a year and get Klopp

McKenna is realistic, he might not join us but we'd be an attractive proposition dependent on where they finish the season of course.

[Vegas Claret]

I do find it irrelevant, because you used it as a factor to rule out other potential managers.

And as I've already said and given evidence you can be a good manager without fitting in your criteria, so it's irrelevant.

and just because you think it's irrelevant (as is your opinion) doesn't mean it is. Not quite sure why you aren't grasping it but here we are. Anyway, we clearly aren't going to agree (nor do we have to) and there's not much point in littering the forum with it any more. Let's just hope whatever they end up doing be it keeping Kompany or replacing him it ends up being the correct decision - that's the most important thing

[KRBFC]

From what I've seen of McKenna he has certainly got the best out of the resource he's had available at Ipswich, and he's competing with bigger teams. That's a scenario that we could well find ourselves in again- so there's possibly some synergy there.

Ultimately I'm a man who wants to see a manager get the most out of the resource he has available. Other people have other metrics to judge on which I accept- but this is mine. I therfore think McKenna has done a sterling job despite not winning the Championship or a foreign league.

But you give all this praise to McKenna for getting the best out of his Ipswich team in the Championship when VK did the same thing last year and achieved far more.

It would be like claiming Maresca is a better manager than VK, when he’s in the exact same position VK was a year ago.

[Newcastleclaret93]

But you give all this praise to McKenna for getting the best out of his Ipswich team in the Championship when VK did the same thing last year and achieved far more.

It would be like claiming Maresca is a better manager than VK, when he’s in the exact same position VK was a year ago.

But you’re not comparing apples to pears.

VK had the highest budget and most expensive squad in the league. McKenna didn’t have the same resources.

I don’t necessarily think he’s a good choice but I can appreciate why people think he would be. He used to getting more out of lesser resources similar to Edwards

[CoolClaret]

But you’re not comparing apples to pears.

VK had the highest budget and most expensive squad in the league. McKenna didn’t have the same resources.

I don’t necessarily think he’s a good choice but I can appreciate why people think he would be. He used to getting more out of lesser resources similar to Edwards

Exactly - it's the fact he's massively outperforming expectations with a team that has been promoted from League One and looked good against us last season in the Cup games. That shows he can play a half decent brand whilst still being 'underdogs'.

[boatshed bill]

I'm available, and just as likely to replace VK as anyone named on this thread

[South West Claret.]

How about the fella at Coventry Mark ?

[South West Claret.]

How about the fella at Coventry Mark ?

Mark Robins.