Stoke

[Fretters]

What a strange club, to say they are owned by billionaires* No matter who they appoint, they're always crap these days and they're in the relegation zone now.

*obviously FFP makes that irrelevant. Must be so frustrating.

[Vegas Claret]

but remember,they had parachute payments so should have been promoted because it's that easy apparently

[rufus lumley]

With Schumacher in charge I thought they would racing up the league.

[bfcwest]

They should be overtaking the teams above them

[Rowls]

*obviously FFP makes that [being a billionaire] irrelevant. Must be so frustrating.

My understanding is that owners can spend as much as they like, as long as the spend the money rather than simply loan it to clubs.

Owners have been loaning clubs money, having a jolly and then pulling the plug on their little hobby, withdrawing funding and wanting their money back. Clubs have been going bust because of this. Loaning money to clubs is owners wanting to have their cake eat it. They want the billy-big-wallets kudos but they want their money back at the a moment's notice.

Owners are allowed to lose as much money as they want - as long as they actually spend the money rather than loan it. I believe that in order to "spend" the money they have to convert give it to the club by converting it shares, known as "secure funding". There may be other techniques of doing this, and I'm not 100% sure on my understanding. Perhaps somebody like ChesterPerry could enlighten us?

[Rowls]

My understanding is that owners can spend as much as they like, as long as the spend the money rather than simply loan it to clubs.

Owners have been loaning clubs money, having a jolly and then pulling the plug on their little hobby, withdrawing funding and wanting their money back. Clubs have been going bust because of this. Loaning money to clubs is owners wanting to have their cake eat it. They want the billy-big-wallets kudos but they want their money back at the a moment's notice.

Owners are allowed to lose as much money as they want - as long as they actually spend the money rather than loan it. I believe that in order to "spend" the money they have to convert give it to the club by converting it shares, known as "secure funding". There may be other techniques of doing this, and I'm not 100% sure on my understanding. Perhaps somebody like ChesterPerry could enlighten us?

Have seen that the "secure funding" is up to £90 million over three seasons.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

With Schumacher in charge I thought they would racing up the league.

I'm surprised he's stayed as long as he has because I always thought Stoke was the pitts

[Goliath]

Its actually quite depressing whenever i see them at home on tv. Stadium half empty and completely silent.
Total contrast to the Pulis days. Another team that suffered when trying to change to a more progressive style. Im starting to think playing pretty football is nearly impossible these days in the Premier League unless you have a hell of a lot of money.
If you are too open you don't win games.

[IanMcL]

Its actually quite depressing whenever i see them at home on tv. Stadium half empty and completely silent.
Total contrast to the Pulis days. Another team that suffered when trying to change to a more progressive style. Im starting to think playing pretty football is nearly impossible these days in the Premier League unless you have a hell of a lot of money.
If you are too open you don't win games.

Spot on.

[Fretters]

My understanding is that owners can spend as much as they like, as long as the spend the money rather than simply loan it to clubs.

Owners have been loaning clubs money, having a jolly and then pulling the plug on their little hobby, withdrawing funding and wanting their money back. Clubs have been going bust because of this. Loaning money to clubs is owners wanting to have their cake eat it. They want the billy-big-wallets kudos but they want their money back at the a moment's notice.

Owners are allowed to lose as much money as they want - as long as they actually spend the money rather than loan it. I believe that in order to "spend" the money they have to convert give it to the club by converting it shares, known as "secure funding". There may be other techniques of doing this, and I'm not 100% sure on my understanding. Perhaps somebody like ChesterPerry could enlighten us?

I didn't know that, but £30m a season (referring to your next post) isn't that much if wages are included.

[Swizzlestick]

Stoke had three consecutive top ten finishes in the PL after Pulis left. It’s not change of philosophy as such, more making the right decisions particularly in the transfer market. Something we patently haven’t done.

[claretburns]

Stoke were free from profit and sustainability regulations last summer and as such signed 19 new players and generated optimism among supporters but it has been another poor season.

Technical Director Rick Astley was sacked last week from his role and it has been given to Jon Walters on a interim basis until further notice.

[Goliath]

Stoke had three consecutive top ten finishes in the PL after Pulis left. It’s not change of philosophy as such, more making the right decisions particularly in the transfer market. Something we patently haven’t done.

True that was Hughes wasnt it? They did jeep a good core from the Pulis days together, i think the further they got away from that era the more they fell. Players like shaqiri, Bojan, Arnautivic etc whilst good player in their own right really didnt have the same ethos.

Burnley is a very similar case, we could see the value of having the good hard working characters like Cork, Barnes, Lowton etc and the further we get from the Dyche era the less we see the same basic elements of that team to fall back on.

[burnmark]

Stoke were free from profit and sustainability regulations last summer and as such signed 19 new players and generated optimism among supporters but it has been another poor season.

Technical Director Rick Astley was sacked last week from his role and it has been given to Jon Walters on a interim basis until further notice.

Someone told me Astley had resigned but I said he’d never have given Stoke up.

[Shaggy]

With Schumacher in charge I thought they would racing up the league.

Looks like they have crashed spectacularly and are on life support.

[Funkydrummer]

Someone told me Astley had resigned but I said he’d never have given Stoke up.

Gerroff !!! No place for jollity on here.

[Rowls]

I didn't know that, but £30m a season (referring to your next post) isn't that much if wages are included.

That's the permitted over-spend, not the permitted budget.

I think that would be a considerable sum in the Champ.

[ecc]

Looks like they have crashed spectacularly and are on life support.

Very funny.

[JimmyRobbo]

Its actually quite depressing whenever i see them at home on tv. Stadium half empty and completely silent.
Total contrast to the Pulis days. Another team that suffered when trying to change to a more progressive style. Im starting to think playing pretty football is nearly impossible these days in the Premier League unless you have a hell of a lot of money.
If you are too open you don't win games.

Absolutely correct. Helps if the narrative is "with" you, too.
I'd be interested to compare Arsenal's "offside" VAR goal against ours. Arguments for both decisions to be right or wrong but, 9 times out of ten, the big clubs get it because it is "expected" and so "accepted".

[Ric_C]

Stoke were free from profit and sustainability regulations last summer and as such signed 19 new players and generated optimism among supporters but it has been another poor season.

Technical Director Rick Astley was sacked last week from his role and it has been given to Jon Walters on a interim basis until further notice.

Not sure whether this is:

a . A genuine mistake
b. A sneaky under the radar joke

[claretburns]

Not sure whether this is:

a . A genuine mistake
b. A sneaky under the radar joke

It is true, their former technical director was named Rick Astley.

[houseboy]

Its actually quite depressing whenever i see them at home on tv. Stadium half empty and completely silent.
Total contrast to the Pulis days. Another team that suffered when trying to change to a more progressive style. Im starting to think playing pretty football is nearly impossible these days in the Premier League unless you have a hell of a lot of money.
If you are too open you don't win games.

Odd about the stadium and crowds. The old ground used to be a real bear pit.

[bobinho]

Someone told me Astley had resigned but I said he’d never have given Stoke up.

Or let them down…

[Vegas Claret]

Odd about the stadium and crowds. The old ground used to be a real bear pit.

definitely a place you needed eyes in the back of your head as an away fan !

[karatekid]

Or let them down…

He said he would never desert them.

[Ric_C]

It is true, their former technical director was named Rick Astley.

Wasn't it Ricky Martin?

Or am I going completely bonkers

[elwaclaret]

definitely a place you needed eyes in the back of your head as an away fan !

Once saw a fan when hit on the head by a pie, pick it up, wave it in the air in thanks and take a bite; but it wasn’t just pastries that rained down. That concrete tunnel in was pretty intimidating from memory too. Liked going though, probably because I was young and stupid… happy days.

[Taffy on the wing]

Stoke were free from profit and sustainability regulations last summer and as such signed 19 new players and generated optimism among supporters but it has been another poor season.

Technical Director Rick Astley was sacked last week from his role and it has been given to Jon Walters on a interim basis until further notice.

https://www.google.com/search?client=sa ... WgXcQ,st:0

[Woodleyclaret]

Only place I've ever been attacked in over 50 yrs watching Burnley away .Stoke fans were bad bxxxxxxs back then

[claretonthecoast1882]

Odd about the stadium and crowds. The old ground used to be a real bear pit.

Agreed, a proper football ground was the old one. Always had an edge unlike the sterile boring place they moved to

[ClaretTony]

When they were relegated from the Premier League in 2018 I thought they were such a well run club that they would bounce back very quickly. Six years on and they’ve never come close.

[NickBFC]

When they were relegated from the Premier League in 2018 I thought they were such a well run club that they would bounce back very quickly. Six years on and they’ve never come close.

Not even Tony Scholes could get them back up

[ClaretTony]

Not even Tony Scholes could get them back up

No hope for them then

[Taffy on the wing]

Only place I've ever been attacked in over 50 yrs watching Burnley away .Stoke fans were bad bxxxxxxs back then

Horrible lot!.....was kicked from the open end down onto the pitch & taken out the side gate '73?
Freezing cold & losing 4-0.....never went back.

[dougcollins]

It is true, their former technical director was named Rick Astley.

Next you'll be telling me their CEO was called Tony Scholes!

[Carwin261]

When they were relegated from the Premier League in 2018 I thought they were such a well run club that they would bounce back very quickly. Six years on and they’ve never come close.

One of the wealthiest owners in the Championship ,but Ms Coates doesn’t seem to want to throw much money at them.

[dougcollins]

Only place I've ever been attacked in over 50 yrs watching Burnley away .Stoke fans were bad bxxxxxxs back then

Always interesting outside the ground after the game as the two sets of fans crossed each other.

[Carwin261]

When they were relegated from the Premier League in 2018 I thought they were such a well run club that they would bounce back very quickly. Six years on and they’ve never come close.

The owner Denise Coates is worth 7.8 billion USD but no chance of her spending her brass,to buy success.