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by Holtyclaret » Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:34 pm
If it made you smile, it makes me happy too.
Well done
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by ISpeds00 » Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:57 pm
Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:15 am
Are people starting to believe the information that I heard at the start of the season yet?
When fit, contractually, Trafford has to start!
There’s nothing else that can explain why Kompany won’t drop him.
Another incorrect piece of tosh spouted on this site
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by Jamesy » Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:40 pm
ksrclaret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:30 am
I used to laugh off the OP but if Trafford is announced in the team at 12pm next Sunday I won’t be laughing anymore.
Well I can guarantee it right now that you certainly won’t be laughing when the line ups are announced next Sunday.
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by equinox » Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:10 pm
You don't have to much of a keeper to keep Muric out of the team tbf.
Trafford has that most important quality: instinct, he reacts to things in a millisecond.
The rest will follow.
He's a rough diamond at minute.
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by Superjohnnyfrancis » Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:21 pm
Culmclaret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:00 pm
As I understand it, the aim of the project is to play s**t football and lose every week. Safe to say we are well ahead of schedule.
For sure we are excelling at this. Pace is loving it, not a peep from him!
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by Superjohnnyfrancis » Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:23 pm
equinox wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:10 pm
You don't have to much of a keeper to keep Muric out of the team tbf.
Trafford has that most important quality: instinct, he reacts to things in a millisecond.
The rest will follow.
He's a rough diamond at minute.
You mean like how he reacted to that back pass yesterday
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by CoolClaret » Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:27 pm
equinox wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:10 pm
You don't have to much of a keeper to keep Muric out of the team tbf.
Trafford has that most important quality: instinct, he reacts to things in a millisecond.
The rest will follow.
He's a rough diamond at minute.
Laughable - irrespective of Muric, how do you work that out with a bloke that's been lobbed from range multiple times in the same season?
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by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:29 pm
equinox wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:10 pm
You don't have to much of a keeper to keep Muric out of the team tbf.
Trafford has that most important quality: instinct, he reacts to things in a millisecond.
The rest will follow.
He's a rough diamond at minute.
Hahahaha instinct, you have to be on the wind up, how did that amazing instinct not see lerma breathing down brownhill yesterday then?
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by FeedTheArf » Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:53 pm
There’s no point dropping him now. We’re down and out, we might aswell persevere with a view to next season, because you can bet your bottom dollar that Muric will be the first out the door.
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by Rileybobs » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:09 pm
So now Trafford is to blame for Taylor’s misdirected and overhit back pass which he could have done nothing else about?
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by Shaggy » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:20 pm
Anyone defending trafford for that pass Is on a fishing trip.
That’s Sunday league level of awareness from trafford. The option to pump it long was always on aswell and is what should happen if you feel there are no easy balls.
Utter clown of a goalkeeper.
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by Darthlaw » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:22 pm
Top notch cast from equinox.
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by Darthlaw » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:24 pm
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:09 pm
So now Trafford is to blame for Taylor’s misdirected and overhit back pass which he could have done nothing else about?
James Trafford was to blame for the death of Archduke Franz Ferdinand
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by Goliath » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:35 pm
If Kompany keeps playing him then we are going to see the fans turning on Trafford massively next time he makes a big mistake. Thats a lot of pressure being put on a young keeper in itself. He needs protecting right now.
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by Jamesy » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:45 pm
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:24 pm
James Trafford was to blame for the death of Archduke Franz Ferdinand
You can’t keep defending the indefensible Darth. Trafford almost reminds me of watching one of my sons play Junior football and the manager used to play his son in goal every week even though he was sh!te.
At the start of the season they were actually competing in games and should have won a few more than they did, but for said manager’s son being weak as p!ss and letting in soft goals and putting the defence under constant pressure.
Then as the season rolled on this hopeless lad in goal just kept losing them games and everyone’s performance dropped off. The lad himself looked like he didn’t want to be keeping goal but only kept doing it because his dad kept putting him in the team.
Eventually most of the players in the team got demoralised and visibly wilted knowing that it was just pointless putting any effort in to get beat cheaply every week.
The season ended and they were duly relegated and most of the young lads left the club. The manager resigned and his son didn’t play football again. His dad had not done him any favours whatsoever and his confidence was shot. Any of this sound familiar?
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by Darthlaw » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:48 pm
Jamesy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:45 pm
You can’t keep defending the indefensible Darth.
I stopped reading at this part because I haven’t defended him.
Seems reasonable for me not to read your posts if you’re not going to read mine.
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by Jamesy » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:54 pm
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:48 pm
I stopped reading at this part because I haven’t defended him.
Seems reasonable for me not to read your posts if you’re not going to read mine.
You defended him last night when you said his error didn’t lead to us conceding a goal. I agree, it didn’t. It just led to us conceding a player.
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by Darthlaw » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:58 pm
Jamesy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:54 pm
You defended him last night when you said his error didn’t lead to us conceding a goal. I agree, it didn’t. It just led to us conceding a player.
I pointed out his error didn’t result in a goal and you agree.
Are you defending him or acknowledging fact?
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by CHEWBACCA » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:04 pm
As I keep saying,there's 19 million reasons why he keeps starting.
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by Swizzlestick » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:08 pm
CHEWBACCA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:04 pm
As I keep saying,there's 19 million reasons why he keeps starting.
You can keep saying it, but he’s not been regularly starting all his other big money signings. Koleosho was ahead of Odobert in the pecking order before injury. Ramsey only just getting in the team before his injury. Tresor AWOL for a while.
I genuinely think he believed he could make his mark in the PL and has been waiting on him to come good. Unfortunately for him and us, he hasn’t, and now appears to be moving in the opposite direction.
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by Westleigh » Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:34 pm
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:58 pm
I pointed out his error didn’t result in a goal and you agree.
Are you defending him or acknowledging fact?
Please read CT’s latest unbiased report on yesterdays game ,and then continue your undiluted backing of Trafford and Kompany .
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by dsr » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:11 am
Bob Lorder wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:22 am
I was told months ago that VK had money tied up in the Trafford deal … City have a buy back clause of triple what they paid for him, meaning VK would make a profit of 300% on the deal ..
That’s why he doesn’t get dropped and keeps defending him !
Of course people will try to say I’m wrong & he can’t get involved like this & cite reasons why … but the information came from within the club .. ( You can buy something without actually handing over the cash yourself, a bit like getting a hitman to do a job for you, you get the benefits but you still have to pay ) ..
All will out eventually, we are being played !
So to clarify, you think that Kompany believes that Trafford isn't up to the job and he's only picking him because he thinks Man City will pay £50m for him? Slight logical disconnect, methinks.
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by Vegas Claret » Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:00 am
CHEWBACCA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:04 pm
As I keep saying,there's 19 million reasons why he keeps starting.
He didn't cost 19 million, that includes multiple add ons and clearly we (or him) aren't going to be meeting any of those any time soon - and that was reported absolutely everywhere including The Athletic, M.E.N etc. Still amusing how people think we just handed over 19 million for him
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by bumba » Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:44 am
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:00 am
He didn't cost 19 million, that includes multiple add ons and clearly we (or him) aren't going to be meeting any of those any time soon - and that was reported absolutely everywhere including The Athletic, M.E.N etc. Still amusing how people think we just handed over 19 million for him
We handed over £15 million that's still way too much
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by Shaggy » Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:08 am
bumba wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:44 am
We handed over £15 million that's still way too much
£1.5m would even be too much for a 3rd division kid at best.
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by StayingDown4Ever » Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:15 am
bumba wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:44 am
We handed over £15 million that's still way too much
We probably pay the other £4 million once he’s made 38 appearances.
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by Jakubclaret » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:26 am
Thing is it's not the lads fault although he'll be a contributing factor why we get relegated it's the berk in charge for keep selecting him.
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:01 am
Penwortham_Claret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:15 am
Are people starting to believe the information that I heard at the start of the season yet?
When fit, contractually, Trafford has to start!
There’s nothing else that can explain why Kompany won’t drop him.
Did you hear it from the same source you get your transfer exclusives from ? Or is this another top quality source ?
The fact that some of the Muric fan club don't believe you should tell you have daft this thought is.
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by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:54 am
If he starts Sunday I’ll start thinking there is something in it.
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by Darthlaw » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:00 pm
If he starts Sunday, I'll still think Kompany doesnt rate Muric.
He hasnt since June and in particular hasnt since Trafford has dropped his multiple clangers of late so I can't see it changing now.
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by LincsWoldsClaret » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:04 pm
equinox wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:10 pm
You don't have to much of a keeper to keep Muric out of the team tbf.
Trafford has that most important quality: instinct, he reacts to things in a millisecond.
The rest will follow.
He's a rough diamond at minute.
His reflexes are superb, it makes him a first rate shot stopper and that is why he gets picked - because we face so many attacks.
Nothing to do with his price, his contract or the rest of the complete tosh that is posted.
Having said that, we need to give him a rest - it’s too much weight to bear when we are so relentlessly poor all over the pitch and some changes would give us a lift - not just Muric but Cork and JRod as well
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by CoolClaret » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:12 pm
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:00 pm
If he starts Sunday, I'll still think Kompany doesnt rate Muric.
He hasnt since June and in particular hasnt since Trafford has dropped his multiple clangers of late so I can't see it changing now.
What I don't understand is why not sign Traff last season? Either loan, loan with option or outright purchase?
Especially if it was a '3 year plan' - would have been more time to develop...
The logic doesn't follow, the only conclusion I can come to is that Muric has done something to tick VK off and VK is doubling down - but that would be wild speculation on my part but it's the only logical conclusion that I can come to.
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by CoolClaret » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:16 pm
LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:04 pm
His reflexes are superb, it makes him a first rate shot stopper and that is why he gets picked - because we face so many attacks.
Nothing to do with his price, his contract or the rest of the complete tosh that is posted.
Having said that, we need to give him a rest - it’s too much weight to bear when we are so relentlessly poor all over the pitch and some changes would give us a lift - not just Muric but Cork and JRod as well
What's one of the reason why we face so many attacks?
Also not seeing the shot stopping thing.
Brighton away yes he performed really well that one game - it's nothing like Nick Pope levels is it?
For a good shot stopper he gets beaten/caught out of position a hell of a lot.
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by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:22 pm
Darthlaw wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:00 pm
If he starts Sunday, I'll still think Kompany doesnt rate Muric.
He hasnt since June and in particular hasnt since Trafford has dropped his multiple clangers of late so I can't see it changing now.
I’m not sure on the ‘doesn’t rate’ him.
I’ve no doubt he thinks Trafford is the better keeper but for his own sake he needs taking out of the team for a while.
I think he would have looked to move him out if he flat out didn’t rate him.
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by Woonderbah » Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:00 pm
LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:04 pm
His reflexes are superb, it makes him a first rate shot stopper and that is why he gets picked - because we face so many attacks.
I definitely agree that JT's reflex saves are up there with the best. It's his thought process when he's given time to think which is sadly lacking. If that can be worked on and improved then the future's bright.
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by houseboy » Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:10 pm
Bob Lorder wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:22 am
I was told months ago that VK had money tied up in the Trafford deal … City have a buy back clause of triple what they paid for him, meaning VK would make a profit of 300% on the deal ..
That’s why he doesn’t get dropped and keeps defending him !
Of course people will try to say I’m wrong & he can’t get involved like this & cite reasons why … but the information came from within the club .. ( You can buy something without actually handing over the cash yourself, a bit like getting a hitman to do a job for you, you get the benefits but you still have to pay ) ..
All will out eventually, we are being played !
And the world is run by lizard aliens.
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by Darthlaw » Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:15 pm
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:12 pm
What I don't understand is why not sign Traff last season? Either loan, loan with option or outright purchase?
Especially if it was a '3 year plan' - would have been more time to develop...
The logic doesn't follow, the only conclusion I can come to is that Muric has done something to tick VK off and VK is doubling down - but that would be wild speculation on my part but it's the only logical conclusion that I can come to.
Unfortunately, I think logic went out the window with regards to many things BFC last summer.
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by Jamesy » Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:15 pm
Up there with the best? It’s easy to make sweeping statements like this but who are the best we are comparing him with?
His best game for reflex saves was undoubtedly Brighton away. He was outstanding that day. The saves he makes week in week out are saves we would expect all Premier League keepers to make.
You mentioned his thought processes sadly lacking. I would agree with this and add to it that he is also lacking the minerals to become a top keeper. He is too soft and unfortunately for him been thrust into high pressure games in the hardest league in the world.
This season could set the lad’s development back years and Vincent is to blame for this. I truly feel for the lad.
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by Darthlaw » Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:24 pm
Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:22 pm
I’m not sure on the ‘doesn’t rate’ him.
I’ve no doubt he thinks Trafford is the better keeper but for his own sake he needs taking out of the team for a while.
I think he would have looked to move him out if he flat out didn’t rate him.
Probably better described as doesnt rate him to be a regular starting PL keeper. VK was searching for an alternative in June so must have made his mind up he wanted someone better. I agree it seems strange Muric hasnt left, particularly youd imagine he'd be out the door if he'd done something to break down the relationship between himself and VK.
Possibly Muric took one look at Trafford in training and thought 'I'd rather stay and compete for a first team chance'?
Whatever the case, something has gone very Van der Schaaf
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