Season tickets next season

[Quickenthetempo]

As this has been the first season where ST holders have been able to re-sell their ticket for matches in exchange for club credit, I wonder if this is contributing to the delay?

They're going to end up with all sorts of different ST prices based on early bird period, seat location, age and how much credit someone has available. Does this further complicate the direct debits?

It shouldn't do.

I sold my ticket on there for the Villa game and just used the 26 quid to part pay for an Everton ticket.

It just deducted it, very easy process.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

They might be waiting until the new tax year to do a tax write off or something. If they get a load of income they’ll have to pay tax on it before the deadline.

That’s assuming they use the normal tax schedule.

[dsr]

They might be waiting until the new tax year to do a tax write off or something. If they get a load of income they’ll have to pay tax on it before the deadline.

That’s assuming they use the normal tax schedule.

Any money that comes in re. next season won't be taxable until next season. It makes no difference when the cash comes in.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Any money that comes in re. next season won't be taxable until next season. It makes no difference when the cash comes in.

Are you sure about that? Never heard that before.

[dsr]

Are you sure about that? Never heard that before.

It's normal tax rules. If you make a contract to supply any service, the taxable income is based on when the service is provided, not when you raise the invoice or get the cash.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

It's normal tax rules. If you make a contract to supply any service, the taxable income is based on when the service is provided, not when you raise the invoice or get the cash.

That sounds like a nightmare for the club to administer, fair play

[Quickenthetempo]

They were just waiting as long as possible to see if we had a chance of staying up. Points deductions will have given them more hope.

If we stayed up then prices would definitely have gone up.
I don't think they are stupid enough to raise prices if we go down?

[Jamesy]

They were just waiting as long as possible to see if we had a chance of staying up. Points deductions will have given them more hope.

If we stayed up then prices would definitely have gone up.
I don't think they are stupid enough to raise prices if we go down?

I wish I could agree with you but remember, this lot are naive Yanks. Yes they are obviously very clever or astute people in their professional banking/financier roles, however I don’t think they have grasped what it is to be a supporter of a football team in an impoverished town in the north west of England.

[Leisure]

Sure that I read somewhere this week that Stoke haven't increased their ST prices for 17 years.

[bfcmik]

What you do is ensure the DD payment you would have made in April, is placed in your bank account. Then each month, a little of it will be taken for the other 11 months.

If I didn't live hand to mouth every month I might be able to do that. On 2nd thoughts, I'm a spendthrift at heart, so I definitely couldn't

[Swizzlestick]

True about Stoke but they have the pretty much dream scenario of being owned by a billionaire fan. Could still be playing League One football next season, mind…

[Middle-agedClaret]

I wish I could agree with you but remember, this lot are naive Yanks. Yes they are obviously very clever or astute people in their professional banking/financier roles, however I don’t think they have grasped what it is to be a supporter of a football team in an impoverished town in the north west of England.

Fair point.
In my cynicism, I’d go further.
I’m not sure that they particularly CARE what it is to be a supporter of a football team in an impoverished town in the north west of England.
I imagine it’s more about the media profile/TV and other broadcast money/ merchandising/global “partners”, etc. The paying faithful are probably, at best, seen as incidental.
I know I’m returning to an old subject, but I feel that if a club truly values its fans, it will take seriously its communication with them. Not too much evidence of that just now..
UTC.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Is that you Devil's Advocate ?

No just what I’ve heard and that they are nervous of the backlash after the reaction to the new England top. The new crest has some stripes and stars on it.

[Woodleyclaret]

Coates have starved Stoke of meaningful investment with a succession of managers facing an uphill battle to create a decent team

[nil_desperandum]

Coates have starved Stoke of meaningful investment with a succession of managers facing an uphill battle to create a decent team

Reported to be £338 million investment / interest free loans by them since 2006. Hardly starved the club have they?

[ClaretTony]

Sure that I read somewhere this week that Stoke haven't increased their ST prices for 17 years.

That's absolutely spot on - last increase was back in 2007 and they have kept them at the same for next season. They also provide free coach transport to every away game.

[dsr]

That's absolutely spot on - last increase was back in 2017 and they have kept them at the same for next season. They also provide free coach transport to every away game.

2007?

[ClaretTony]

2007?

Now corrected - was 2007

[randomclaret2]

Denise Coates has earned in excess of £1 billion in the last 4 years alone ( that's Billion, not Million ) . Whatever percentage of that allows season ticket prices to be frozen year on year is a drop in the ocean

[Chester Perry]

Denise Coates has earned in excess of £1 billion in the last 4 years alone ( that's Billion, not Million ) . Whatever percentage of that allows season ticket prices to be frozen year on year is a drop in the ocean

she also pays her taxes

[randomclaret2]

she also pays her taxes

Indeed

[ClaretTony]

Hearing that the news is imminent (probably this week) and we can expect increases.

[Clive 1960]

If there's a increase next season and we are in the Championship with extra games i wonder how many we will sell ..

[Funkydrummer]

If there's a increase next season and we are in the Championship with extra games i wonder how many we will sell ..

Clearly it depends on the amount of increase. If it's more than
what we consider to be reasonable (whatever that be !!) then we'll be off
into the sunset.

[MACCA]

Prices increased by 5% across the ground, however age categories are to be brought in line so some might see a bigger increase this time.

This big waiting list they think us there won't be now

No premier footy
Feel good factor gone
Dreadful season
Price increase

[ClaretTony]

Clearly it depends on the amount of increase. If it's more than
what we consider to be reasonable (whatever that be !!) then we'll be off
into the sunset.

What would you consider reasonable?

[GetIntoEm]

If there's a increase next season and we are in the Championship with extra games i wonder how many we will sell ..

if you used this website as a yardstick, maybe 10.

in reality we will still sell plenty.

[IanMcL]

Denise Coates has earned in excess of £1 billion in the last 4 years alone ( that's Billion, not Million ) . Whatever percentage of that allows season ticket prices to be frozen year on year is a drop in the ocean

There are many billionaires who continue to maximise their revenues through their tickets.

Good on her.

[Funkydrummer]

What would you consider reasonable?

In reality, zero but it's hard to say really. It'll depend on the
mood I'm in when we get the news and what mood I'm in
when things settle down.

Got to consider my partner's opinion as well i suppose -
even if only for a millisecond !!

5% ????

[Darthlaw]

I think the sad reality is that as Burnley fans, they could fairly hammer us and most would still buy.

Even £100 sounds a lot, until you realise it's £4.35 per game in the Championship, which is less than a pint of beer every other week.

[Quickenthetempo]

They must think losing thousands of ST holders will be cost effective if we're top of the league towards the back end of the season and start selling out at £50 a walk on?

[NewClaret]

Prices increased by 5% across the ground, however age categories are to be brought in line so some might see a bigger increase this time.

This big waiting list they think us there won't be now

No premier footy
Feel good factor gone
Dreadful season
Price increase

Personally the first reason is a reason to buy one…

No premier footy = no relegation dogfight (we’ll always be in and amongst it as a town team in this league), no VAR, no **** KO times.

We get to watch the clarets in a league we’re far more competitive in, plus 4 extra games of it. Then many more Tuesday night games which I love as I often take the family for a bite to eat first. Spending every midweek watching other teams does my head in.

I don’t agree with price rises whatsoever - I think we should be making them cheaper and more accessible to every part of our community - but The premier is more of a deterrent than attraction to me.

[Murger]

If the DD is set up over 10 months instead of the 12, then the increase will seem bigger.
We are getting hit from all angles. Increases in utilities, council tax, car insurance etc will factor in whether people can stomach a massive increase.

[NewClaret]

If the DD is set up over 10 months instead of the 12, then the increase will seem bigger.
We are getting hit from all angles. Increases in utilities, council tax, car insurance etc will factor in whether people can stomach a massive increase.

If there’s no valid reason for the delay in announcing, I’d agree that this is a massive feck up on behalf of the club which’ll unnecessarily financially impact fans. Will be really poor form from ALK if they spread the DD amounts over fewer months just because they couldn’t get their act together in agreeing and releasing prices. Would demonstrate pretty appalling management of a football club.

[daveisaclaret]

Sales will be fine (probably really good).

The risk of increases after crap seasons isn't immediate huge drop in numbers, it's in how it tests long term feeling from supporters to the club. Not likely one of ALK's priorities imo because for as long as we're bouncing between the Prem and the Championship our financial input is pretty minimal.

[BradTee93]

Just had a response from the ticket office saying current ST holders will get an email this week regarding next season & that the first payment will be May rather than April.

Apologies if this is already common knowledge

[jedi_master]

I pay for my season ticket via DD also (convenience more than anything else with the auto renewal), it's currently something like £36 a month for my seat in the Jimmy Mac Upper. Pure guesswork here, but let's assume a 10% rise as probably in the ballpark of what ALK intend to impart on us - that would put monthly instalments at about £43 over 11 months (rather than 12) if my CRAP maths are correct.

Any rise is annoying, particularly (as Murger said) when we are being squeezed already on council tax, car insurance and mortgages. I have to say though, and I fully accept this varies person to person - if the figures I am talking about above are somewhere near right then I don't think £6 a month more (for more matches) is particularly unreasonable. That will obviously differ from stand to stand/age group to age group I assume.

What IS unreasonable is the continued terrible communication from the club on important subjects. Is it so hard to get this information out on the usual timeframe? If they really were doing so in the vein hope of some better results to justify an increase they are not getting how this works. We're Burnley fans and the vast, vast majority would be renewing regardless of PL or Championship football I would think. The allure of the PL has long since left this fanbase I reckon. The other issue is the clubs incessant penny pinching in other areas (food, merchandise, that ridiculous 'premium supporters' idea for away tickets and so on and so forth, not to mention the constant adverts selling NFT's, Crypto and credit cards) exacerbates these rises and makes them less palatable. I don't mind a 10% rise on a personal level, but for a family of 4 going on that £6 a month is £24 and then everything else at the club going up (which it probably will, again) makes it such an expensive hobby.

[Murger]

Just had a response from the ticket office saying current ST holders will get an email this week regarding next season & that the first payment will be May rather than April.

Apologies if this is already common knowledge

May? So it looks like it will be 10 months rather than 12.

[Rileybobs]

I pay for my season ticket via DD also (convenience more than anything else with the auto renewal), it's currently something like £36 a month for my seat in the Jimmy Mac Upper. Pure guesswork here, but let's assume a 10% rise as probably in the ballpark of what ALK intend to impart on us - that would put monthly instalments at about £43 over 11 months (rather than 12) if my CRAP maths are correct.

Any rise is annoying, particularly (as Murger said) when we are being squeezed already on council tax, car insurance and mortgages. I have to say though, and I fully accept this varies person to person - if the figures I am talking about above are somewhere near right then I don't think £6 a month more (for more matches) is particularly unreasonable. That will obviously differ from stand to stand/age group to age group I assume.

What IS unreasonable is the continued terrible communication from the club on important subjects. Is it so hard to get this information out on the usual timeframe? If they really were doing so in the vein hope of some better results to justify an increase they are not getting how this works. We're Burnley fans and the vast, vast majority would be renewing regardless of PL or Championship football I would think. The allure of the PL has long since left this fanbase I reckon. The other issue is the clubs incessant penny pinching in other areas (food, merchandise, that ridiculous 'premium supporters' idea for away tickets and so on and so forth, not to mention the constant adverts selling NFT's, Crypto and credit cards) exacerbates these rises and makes them less palatable. I don't mind a 10% rise on a personal level, but for a family of 4 going on that £6 a month is £24 and then everything else at the club going up (which it probably will, again) makes it such an expensive hobby.

Why would they need to reduce the DD over 11 months? There could still be a 12 month DD option commencing in May.

[Rileybobs]

May? So it looks like it will be 10 months rather than 12.

Hadn't seen this response, but why 10? Why not a 12 month DD running May-April?

[fidelcastro]

May? So it looks like it will be 10 months rather than 12.

Why does it look like it will be over 10 months?

Are you expecting the final payment to be in February?

May - April would be 12 months.

[Murger]

Yep, my bad. I’ve just gone may to may without even working it out.

[claretdj]

No price rise for 8 seasons was it? Now 2 consecutive ones from ALK after the worst season in a long time. Last season it went from £95 to £135 for an under 18 ticket, I'm wondering how much higher its going to go now? Add in the parachute payments from relegation & I'm struggling to think why the club just does not freeze the prices for 1 season minimum tbf.

[The Shire Claret]

No price rise for 8 seasons was it? Now 2 consecutive ones from ALK after the worst season in a long time. Last season it went from £95 to £135 for an under 18 ticket, I'm wondering how much higher its going to go now? Add in the parachute payments from relegation & I'm struggling to think why the club just does not freeze the prices for 1 season minimum tbf.

Do we know there is going to be a price rise for sure ?

I've just had a scan through and I can't see anything ?

UTC

[Rick_Muller]

They must think losing thousands of ST holders will be cost effective if we're top of the league towards the back end of the season and start selling out at £50 a walk on?

I fear this may be the thinking unfortunately - they wont fear losing ST holders as the revenue from walk-ons is obviously higher and they predict a good season next year so more walk-ons if we do well

[The Shire Claret]

Do we know there is going to be a price rise for sure ?

I've just had a scan through and I can't see anything ?

UTC

My Bad, just seen it all now

[claretonthecoast1882]

No price rise for 8 seasons was it? Now 2 consecutive ones from ALK after the worst season in a long time. Last season it went from £95 to £135 for an under 18 ticket, I'm wondering how much higher its going to go now? Add in the parachute payments from relegation & I'm struggling to think why the club just does not freeze the prices for 1 season minimum tbf.

So £7 a game for an under 18 this season and if it went up say £30 next season it would still be around £7 a game.

Do you think at that price it is over-priced ?

[Bordeauxclaret]

By that logic will they drop them the season after if we get promoted and play less games?

[Quickenthetempo]

So £7 a game for an under 18 this season and if it went up say £30 next season it would still be around £7 a game.

Do you think at that price it is over-priced ?

The only trouble with increases to the u18s ST is most of the kids aren't old enough to enjoy the game/get their moneys worth.
They are there to allow the parent a free afternoon watching the football without the wife/husband giving them grief.

Most parents will pay for the U18s ST. So with a rise, it will be around 700 quid for a dad and lad.

We have no family stand anymore, so we need to keep it affordable.

[dsr]

My Bad, just seen it all now

What have you seen? Have the prices been announced?