Get this clown out

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

or maybe the older lads all decided to get together to discuss what was happening. Do you honestly think that an entire squad of (random number guess here) 25 players were invited and only 5 or 6 turned up ? Not a ******* chance

They hardly look like they’ve been a united bunch on the field this season.

[boyyanno]

It's not that I don't believe you, it's that you've offered ZERO evidence. Like I said, just because you said it doesn't make it so

The only three "rumours" I've ever posted on here have been that 1. There was chatter about a documentary with all the camera presence and 2. The state of the coaching for the youth teams. I've never posted a made up rumour or regurgitated somthing I've heard from Twitter.

I really don't care if you or anyone else on here believes me. There was an event organised by Jay Rod as a get together for the squad to build morale/team building etc. The majority of them did not attend.

I've no idea what evidence you expect, although I'm aware apparently there were some pictures on twitter- but I don't have it so I wouldn't know.

[gandhisflipflop]

Are we really calling that abuse?

No wonder no one else is saying they heard abuse. I genuinely expected it to be way worse than that.

Can you really blame fans for that after this season.

Yes along with telling him to “**** off”. And around the circle we go. Yes I can blame the fans because of what he delivered last season. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

[Jakubclaret]

While he's sat on that nice big fat contract he's going nowhere of his own volition & it's an idea people better get used to.

[Dark Cloud]

Obviously there weren't many people left at the very end, but I was one and as VK walked across the pitch and strode towards the tunnel I chose to applaud him as did the majority of others (Whether he deserved it or not is another matter, but I guess I'm just too polite!!) Anyway, some people around me were definitely shouting abuse, but they were, I felt, in the minority.

[Vegas Claret]

I have no idea Vegas but wouldn't be surprised.

It seems strange why Cork/Jay/Guddy etc would meet in a pub in the centre of MCR like when they're known to (predominantly) live in Cheshire

they've been together a good while, maybe it's something they've done for years but because this season has triggered people everything becomes a story.

[Nori1958]

Are we really calling that abuse?

No wonder no one else is saying they heard abuse. I genuinely expected it to be way worse than that.

Can you really blame fans for that after this season.

Sounds pretty abusive to me

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Obviously there weren't many people left at the very end, but I was one and as VK walked across the pitch and strode towards the tunnel I chose to applaud him as did the majority of others (Whether he deserved it or not is another matter, but I guess I'm just too polite!!) Anyway, some people around me were definitely shouting abuse, but they were, I felt, in the minority.

You could have at least shouted play Muric Vinny!

[Leisure]

I didn't hear it from Twitter and I don't care if you believe me.

As it stands there's really nothing to believe., as you haven't/can't give the names of anyone who did or didn't attend!

[Vegas Claret]

I've no idea what evidence you expect

literally anything to substantiate your claim would do. I'm not saying your right or wrong specifically, I just prefer evidence over rumour that's all

[boyyanno]

Bet you can't actually name them! So you actually know that they've got release clauses, or are you just making that up to fit your agenda?

Maybe its a cultural thing and not that they don't care?

What a strange post, you asked for a reason why they don't care, I gave you a possible one, I never said it was a definite reason.

I don't have an agenda, I've just posted somthing I know to be true, believe me or don't but don't act like a pillock. The sad thing is I've travelled with you many times Pete and you've started acting very strangely on here, why so hostile?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Sounds pretty abusive to me

If that’s abuse then every single football ground up and down the country is rife with it.

Give over that’s some fans letting VK know what they think of him.

[Dark Cloud]

You could have at least shouted play Muric Vinny!

Like he f***ing would!!!!

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Like he f***ing would!!!!

If he hears it enough times, he might think its his original idea

[Nori1958]

If that’s abuse then every single football ground up and down the country is rife with it.

Give over that’s some fans letting VK know what they think of him.

Doesn't make it right, and telling someone to f*** off you clown, is abuse, perhaps we have different standards.

[Leisure]

Maybe its a cultural thing and not that they don't care?

What a strange post, you asked for a reason why they don't care, I gave you a possible one, I never said it was a definite reason.

I don't have an agenda, I've just posted somthing I know to be true, believe me or don't but don't act like a pillock. The sad thing is I've travelled with you many times Pete and you've started acting very strangely on here, why so hostile?

Not hostile at all. Just really interested in knowing who supposedly couldn't be bothered attending this supposed team meeting? Can you actually name them or don't you know?

[CoolClaret]

they've been together a good while, maybe it's something they've done for years but because this season has triggered people everything becomes a story.

Maybe, just seemed random - oh and Dara O'Shea was there as well.

[boyyanno]

Not hostile at all. Just really interested in knowing who supposedly couldn't be bothered attending this supposed team meeting? Can you actually name them or don't you know?

I know why you're actually upset Pete. Resident super fan doesn't actually have a clue what goes on behind the scenes

[spt_claret]

If you had been there you would have seen it yourself. Those in NL4 stayed behind to hurl abuse at VK who was looking directly at them “**** off you clown” “******* walk vinny” are two examples

Don't condone that but you got that or worse with Dyche if we went a few games without a win. Nevermind this. It's not right but considering the circumstances there's been worse during better times, without fans getting into fisticuffs or telling people "we don't need you".

I have no idea Vegas but wouldn't be surprised.

It seems strange why Cork/Jay/Guddy etc would meet in a pub in the centre of MCR like when they're known to (predominantly) live in Cheshire

I'm hopeless at Twitter but I can't find it on there, got a link to anyone who's tweeted the pic?

[Leisure]

I know why you're actually upset Pete. Resident super fan doesn't actually have a clue what goes on behind the scenes

At least you've got my status correct, even if you still can't name the players who supposedly didn't attend the meeting!

[jedi_master]

I find this idea quite scary to be honest, even disregarding personal opinion on if he should stay or go right now. We know what summer transfer windows under VK look like, we know how much they cost, how can it be sensible to go into this summer and potentially next summer with the plan of letting him do his thing and potting him after 7-8 games if it doesn't immediately click?

Well it’s not the plan per se, just personal opinion would be that it would be the right time to have the conversation. If we’re letting him have next season and he manages to get us up, we have to let him start the next PL season too. I get what you’re saying but we’re sort of damned if we do or don’t in that respect. If the writing is on the wall at the start of a hypothetical next PL season (after the first couple of months) we’d have to act really.

[burnmark]

This ‘team bonding session’ was basically a group of them going out for a few pints in Mulligan’s in Manchester one Sunday afternoon. Nothing too different than a group of lads doing exactly the same up and down the country to go and watch Super Sunday.

[Big Vinny K]

Can't see Kompany staying long now.

The majority of the squad literally do not care if we stay up or not as they know they'll be alright. More than half of them didn't bother showing up for a recent team bonding session- that tells you all you need to know.

Fair play to the ones that did show up but you'd find it pretty easy to guess who they were and the ones who couldn't be arsed.

I also know this to be a fact.
I’ve only ever posted a couple of things on here which I heard about the club.
One was that we 100% had a buy clause for Beyer when he was on loan.
The other that we had got the wage bill below £30m after VKs first summer.

In terms of the above I was told which senior players organised the night out and only 7 turned up. It was in Manchester.

Also told that a senior player kicked off at the team after the Palace game in the dressing room saying the players had no heart and they were embarrassing the club.

I was told a couple of other things about the dressing room and training ground incidents too this season.

I’ve tried to defend the club for a lot of this season and I don’t like or want any abuse to be thrown at the manager or the players irrespective of what they are doing on the pitch or the mistakes they are making.

I still don’t want this to happen but after what I have been told (and it is 100% a fact) I’m really disappointed that the special bond we clearly had last year and was obviously key to our success has gone and even worse it very much looks like we have a number of broken relationships between the players themselves and also between the management and players.

Not really fussed whether people believe me or not. But noticed the thread has become quite fractious and even though we are having a truly awful season that it’s not worth some of you who know each other falling out over this.

[Carlos the Great]

VK comments are getting more bizarre .. apparently if you don’t score or concede sloppy goals you will lose football matches Zz thanks for clearing that up

[Vegas Claret]

Maybe, just seemed random - oh and Dara O'Shea was there as well.

yes mate, I'm just pointing out you can read things any which way you want to and when things are going as badly wrong as they have this season everything seems fair game and an easy target - it could be 100% legit but there is no evidence of it either way (just like the Trafford contract thing I posted). I wasn't having a go at Boyyanno merely asking for evidence

[Vegas Claret]

They hardly look like they’ve been a united bunch on the field this season.

Not easy when you are getting smashed every week

[CoolClaret]

yes mate, I'm just pointing out you can read things any which way you want to and when things are going as badly wrong as they have this season everything seems fair game and an easy target - it could be 100% legit but there is no evidence of it either way (just like the Trafford contract thing I posted). I wasn't having a go at Boyyanno merely asking for evidence

Totally agree with that and fake ITKs really bother me... Big Vinny Ks comment alludes to similar and although we don't always see eye to eye I certainly wouldn't from his posting history call him a billy bullshitter.

Something isn't right, right now and I think it's really apparent.

[Vegas Claret]

Something isn't right, right now and I think it's really apparent.

Here's my take, first game of the season VK came out with his (something along the lines of) "we won't play this bad all season" comment. Plenty are saying "ha ha how wrong was he".......I reckon he said it because he expected and 100% believed he would get FAR more from this group of players (like we all did) and they haven't been up to it. That's a recruitment thing for which there are a good 10-15 people who are culpable both in terms of player choice and also the number we signed. Some of these new players have really let him down but that doesn't dissolve VK of responsibility especially in the way he/they discarded some of last seasons team. It's just been a big mess and a real wasted opportunity, we've gone from a club that felt pretty united to having threads on here about people fighting over VK in or out in the stadium. A real shame would be an understatement

[CoolClaret]

Here's my take, first game of the season VK came out with his (something along the lines of) "we won't play this bad all season" comment. Plenty are saying "ha ha how wrong was he".......I reckon he said it because he expected and 100% believed he would get FAR more from this group of players (like we all did) and they haven't been up to it. That's a recruitment thing for which there are a good 10-15 people who are culpable both in terms of player choice and also the number we signed. Some of these new players have really let him down but that doesn't dissolve VK of responsibility especially in the way he/they discarded some of last seasons team. It's just been a big mess and a real wasted opportunity, we've gone from a club that felt pretty united to having threads on here about people fighting over VK in or out in the stadium. A real shame would be an understatement

It's a huge shame but it's one that was entirely avoidable for me.

They've made a real mess of it and not only that continued to double down and there's no indication that he'd do anything any differently if given the chance again - self-belief is a great thing but when tempered with some sort of objectivity and rationality.

To go from last season and all that feel-good factor to having a team meeting organised by the senior players where only 7 of them show up is a massive indictment for me.

I'm not sure how VK unifies the team and gets everyone back on side here, will take some doing.

[Vegas Claret]

It's a huge shame but it's one that was entirely avoidable for me.

They've made a real mess of it and not only that continued to double down and there's no indication that he'd do anything any differently if given the chance again - self-belief is a great thing but when tempered with some sort of objectivity and rationality.

To go from last season and all that feel-good factor to having a team meeting organised by the senior players where only 7 of them show up is a massive indictment for me.

I'm not sure how VK unifies the team and gets everyone back on side here, will take some doing.

wins, that simple

[Wokingclaret]

wins, that simple

Wins, very difficult

[Murger]

Also told that a senior player kicked off at the team after the Palace game in the dressing room saying the players had no heart and they were embarrassing the club.

You can imagine that being Jay Rod or Cork. Literally none of the rest would give a flying ****.

[Vegas Claret]

Wins, very difficult

I'm talking about next season, they aren't capable at this level

[Blyclaret]

This season is over and has been for ages. My worry is next season under Kompany. And I’m not sure about this team getting promoted next playing like we are playing. I will old my hands up and be delighted if I’m wrong.

[daveisaclaret]

You can imagine that being Jay Rod or Cork. Literally none of the rest would give a flying ****.

Can easily imagine it being JBG or Charlie Taylor

[Vim Fuego]

wins, that simple

Agree Vegas, but the answer is a bit deeper than that. Especially in these testing times

[AmbleClaret]

This ‘team bonding session’ was basically a group of them going out for a few pints in Mulligan’s in Manchester one Sunday afternoon. Nothing too different than a group of lads doing exactly the same up and down the country to go and watch Super Sunday.

Mulligans? No wonder hardly any one turned up. Try the Marble Arch next time I suggest,it'd be standing room only.

[boyyanno]

I also know this to be a fact.
I’ve only ever posted a couple of things on here which I heard about the club.
One was that we 100% had a buy clause for Beyer when he was on loan.
The other that we had got the wage bill below £30m after VKs first summer.

In terms of the above I was told which senior players organised the night out and only 7 turned up. It was in Manchester.

Also told that a senior player kicked off at the team after the Palace game in the dressing room saying the players had no heart and they were embarrassing the club.

I was told a couple of other things about the dressing room and training ground incidents too this season.

I’ve tried to defend the club for a lot of this season and I don’t like or want any abuse to be thrown at the manager or the players irrespective of what they are doing on the pitch or the mistakes they are making.

I still don’t want this to happen but after what I have been told (and it is 100% a fact) I’m really disappointed that the special bond we clearly had last year and was obviously key to our success has gone and even worse it very much looks like we have a number of broken relationships between the players themselves and also between the management and players.

Not really fussed whether people believe me or not. But noticed the thread has become quite fractious and even though we are having a truly awful season that it’s not worth some of you who know each other falling out over this.

Appreciate you posting this.

I too don't care if I'm believed or not, and it's not too push an agenda. I was genuinely saddened today to see the infighting between our fans and I wanted people to know that not everyone in the trenches with us is fighting. But at least some are and credit to them.

[Vegas Claret]

Agree Vegas, but the answer is a bit deeper than that. Especially in these testing times

absolutely, but it's the starting point

[KRBFC]

So now VK is living on credit…. For what he’s achieved last season. This is a results business.

If it’s a results business then you’d want a man with Kompanys results in the Championship then.

It’s easy for us all to get all emotional after a bad result and whine on here, we’ve all done it but I don’t see how sacking him now helps us for next season.

It makes more sense to just suck it up, we all know it’s been really bad. Let’s get excited for the possibilities next season and back VK to repeat the trick. It’s gonna be a big season next year in Kompanys career, I think he deserves the fans support to try and turn it around.

[NewClaret]

For those who want VK to remain...

The Majority of the logic for him remaining has been because he has proven he can do it in the Championship. By that logic, do you sack him if he gets us back to the Prem because using that same logic he has proved he cannot do it in the Prem?

This is a reasonable question.

My reasoning to keep Kompany is actually much broader: I think he gave us a geat season, stayed loyal in summer so deserves our support, is implementing a shared vision with the owner (I don’t know if it’ll work but I don’t see a better one for us) and I think the moment we start hiring and firing managers we’ll death spiral. But I agree, sacking a manager that knows how to win the Championship is also daft as feck.

That said, I’ll also concede he’s done poorly this year, so if he got us up what would I do?

Well I’d give him another chance but I would like to see a marked improvement. That being in recruitment, squad balance, competitiveness, etc. If I felt he’d learned from his mistakes I could ride it out, if he were to repeat them I’d have a less patience than this year. Probably a couple of months of patience if we repeat mistakes.

[NewClaret]

Obviously there weren't many people left at the very end, but I was one and as VK walked across the pitch and strode towards the tunnel I chose to applaud him as did the majority of others (Whether he deserved it or not is another matter, but I guess I'm just too polite!!) Anyway, some people around me were definitely shouting abuse, but they were, I felt, in the minority.

I stay and clap them off every game. Even when we’re really, really ****. For whatever reason it makes me feel better.

Quite often I’ve been pretty much on my own this season. Obviously not literally but one of a handful left and bothering to applaud.

Tonight there was by far the most applauding them off we’ve had all season. A good number left. As Kompany walked off I just saw a couple in the CFS that seemed to be unhappy although I couldn’t be certain they were having a pop but Kompany seemed to swerve the applause to them and ducked inside the tunnel. Didn’t hear any abuse at all bar those two and whatever they were saying was drowned out by applause where I was.

[jrgbfc]

You can imagine that being Jay Rod or Cork. Literally none of the rest would give a flying ****.

And both them plus Charlie Taylor likely to go this summer. We desperately need to bring in some experience, lads with some balls this summer or we'll be struggling.

[Nori1958]

This ‘team bonding session’ was basically a group of them going out for a few pints in Mulligan’s in Manchester one Sunday afternoon. Nothing too different than a group of lads doing exactly the same up and down the country to go and watch Super Sunday.

I've only seen it mentioned, by people who wouldn't know anyway, that it was a "team bonding"

It could have been anything, like you say a group of friends just going out, and nobody else knew about it
Or others were there but not in the photo
Others went but haven't arrived when the photo was taken
So many reasons but let's jump on the dressing room has been lost option

[evensteadiereddie]

I stay and clap them off every game. Even when we’re really, really ****. For whatever reason it makes me feel better.

Quite often I’ve been pretty much on my own this season. Obviously not literally but one of a handful left and bothering to applaud.

Tonight there was by far the most applauding them off we’ve had all season. A good number left. As Kompany walked off I just saw a couple in the CFS that seemed to be unhappy although I couldn’t be certain they were having a pop but Kompany seemed to swerve the applause to them and ducked inside the tunnel. Didn’t hear any abuse at all bar those two and whatever they were saying was drowned out by applause where I was.

I was stood there in the CFS at the end, applauding as I usually do and all the players - and Kompany - acknowledged the crowd. No suggestion whatsoever of swerving or ducking, far from it.
I think they appreciated the fact that quite a few of today's gate could see the all round improvement.

[Chester Perry]

For those who want VK to remain...

The Majority of the logic for him remaining has been because he has proven he can do it in the Championship. By that logic, do you sack him if he gets us back to the Prem because using that same logic he has proved he cannot do it in the Prem?

That is what I call The Daniel Farke Scenario

this is an interesting read,

The ghost of Daniel Farke still haunts Norwich City
https://archive.ph/9Jpja

[Theivley Pike]

That’s us .

[Pearcey]

I don’t know if the squad is split but I just happened to watch a clip of Nicky Eaden on Under the Cosh and he mentioned going to to a club that had a big squad. The others commented straight away that big squads were always toxic like it was standard. There’s going to be a lot of disgruntled players that aren’t playing.

[Blyclaret]

That post and link about Norwich sounds scarily like Burnley now.

[burnleymik]

That is what I call The Daniel Farke Scenario

this is an interesting read,

The ghost of Daniel Farke still haunts Norwich City
https://archive.ph/9Jpja

Good read, but there is one major difference and it's a huge factor. Farke wasn't backed by the Norwich board on promotion, VK has been given the crown jewels, in Burnley terms.