Kompany quote

[Big Vinny K]

The point is if you throw money at it badly, (of which many were calling out as much pre season with a vast array of wingers and 10's arriving) that you won't have success. If only there was a use case of applying money appropriately, making more right decisions than wrong, and evolving a side to perform above it's level over a period of time that we could refer to.... or if there was a couple of cases in point happening now.

Well there was last season.
Remind us again what you said about that team at the start of the season

[Vegas Claret]

The point is if you throw money at it badly, (of which many were calling out as much pre season with a vast array of wingers and 10's arriving) that you won't have success. If only there was a use case of applying money appropriately, making more right decisions than wrong, and evolving a side to perform above it's level over a period of time that we could refer to.... or if there was a couple of cases in point happening now.

Also, as somebody who is very keen to rush to suppress the values paid by Burnley to those lower than reported in the press, it doesn't quite sit right to quote an unvalidated £300-£400m number - that's quite a large spread of spend there.

Yeah everyone quotes we paid 19 for Trafford when it looks like we paid 14. The Forest numbers as reported have been posted on here, use the search facility. Just like the Burnley numbers, it might not be pin point accurate which is why I put between 3-400. Either way, they spent massively hence the reason they are going to get whacked and you really can't say they spent it well. There are more examples of teams spending badly than well. I also hope you aren't holding Brighton up as a shining light because that would be incredibly amusing

[Vegas Claret]

found the Forest numbers for you Dande - this was their reported spend to put their squad together, so you see why I gave the numbers I did
Forest
20/21 - 15 million
21/22 - 6.5 million
22/23 - 195 million
23/24 - 122 million

[Carlos the Great]

Yeah everyone quotes we paid 19 for Trafford when it looks like we paid 14. The Forest numbers as reported have been posted on here, use the search facility. Just like the Burnley numbers, it might not be pin point accurate which is why I put between 3-400. Either way, they spent massively hence the reason they are going to get whacked and you really can't say they spent it well. There are more examples of teams spending badly than well. I also hope you aren't holding Brighton up as a shining light because that would be incredibly amusing

Did we pay 14m for Trafford .. ? On most internet data it’s saying 19m … Forest signed so many players it was crazy .. it never works signing a whole new team .. We have made a mess in recruitment … our team whatever that is feels disjointed and needs a good spray of WD40 …

[Jamesy]

Yeah everyone quotes we paid 19 for Trafford when it looks like we paid 14. The Forest numbers as reported have been posted on here, use the search facility. Just like the Burnley numbers, it might not be pin point accurate which is why I put between 3-400. Either way, they spent massively hence the reason they are going to get whacked and you really can't say they spent it well. There are more examples of teams spending badly than well. I also hope you aren't holding Brighton up as a shining light because that would be incredibly amusing

€17.3 million on TransferMarket site. So anything between 15-16 million pounds.
€18.6 million for Amdouni so 16-17 million pounds.

We can argue about a million pounds or so difference each way in perceived transfer fees paid for players, however it looks like we have overpaid for the majority of them looking at the way they have performed, or warmed the bench.

[StayingDown4Ever]

€17.3 million on TransferMarket site. So anything between 15-16 million pounds.
€18.6 million for Amdouni so 16-17 million pounds.

We can argue about a million pounds or so difference each way in perceived transfer fees paid for players, however it looks like we have overpaid for the majority of them looking at the way they have performed, or warmed the bench.

Whether Trafford’s fee was £14 million or £19million - we overpaid by at least £12 million

[Vegas Claret]

€17.3 million on TransferMarket site. So anything between 15-16 million pounds.
€18.6 million for Amdouni so 16-17 million pounds.

We can argue about a million pounds or so difference each way in perceived transfer fees paid for players, however it looks like we have overpaid for the majority of them looking at the way they have performed, or warmed the bench.

agree totally, that's not really my point though

[Jamesy]

Whether Trafford’s fee was £14 million or £19million - we overpaid by at least £12 million

Not sure we overpaid by that much? However, we certainly had our pants pulled down and at the same time helped City comply with FFP.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Forest have spent between 3-400 million putting their team together, they are TWO places above us. 100 million, like it or not, is absolutely **** all in the 23/24 Premier League. I genuinely struggle with how people can't see the bigger issue here in terms of the pyramid, if the next 3 promoted teams struggle as much as this current 3 have then it will get to the stage that promoted clubs won't spend a penny on promotion.

This isn’t a money issue it’s a management issue. Rob Edwards would honestly have given us a better chance of staying up because they play to their strengths.

We are playing to all of our weaknesses. We don’t have the players with the technical ability or physicality to play out from the back and VK has persisted with this all season. This style is gifting at least one if not two goals a game to the opposition.

[bumba]

A massive opportunity been spurned with disregarding the key building blocks imperative for future growth. It'll be a summer of upheaval I think with decisions on extensions & the loanees.

Important experienced players are out of contract, players from the championship winning side will want to leave, we'll be left without much experience yet people think promotion is nailed on. I don't see us reaching the play offs

[KRBFC]

Simple fact. You borrow a lot of money, you have to pay it back as per agreed terms at point of borrowing money.
You receive money for promotion to Premier League. You are sensible with it in relation to new signings, loans, contracts etc. to try and be sustainable.
Or, you simply blow all of the Premier League money on lots of poor signings and then get relegated and then wonder how to make repayments on loan with a seriously reduced income/revenue stream.

You’re talking about something you have absolutely no idea about and making up wild theories, at least the last time we were relegated the debt information was pretty much public knowledge so could be discussed.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Important experienced players are out of contract, players from the championship winning side will want to leave, we'll be left without much experience yet people think promotion is nailed on. I don't see us reaching the play offs

I would still be amazed even with all this crap going on if we weren’t promoted.

The championship is incredibly poor and honestly looks even worst than last year. Leeds and Leicester have the best squads and even they look pretty crap.

[Vegas Claret]

This isn’t a money issue it’s a management issue. Rob Edwards would honestly have given us a better chance of staying up because they play to their strengths.

We are playing to all of our weaknesses. We don’t have the players with the technical ability or physicality to play out from the back and VK has persisted with this all season. This style is gifting at least one if not two goals a game to the opposition.

you've literally just backed my point up - it's got **** all to do with money, it never guarantees anything

[bumba]

I would still be amazed even with all this crap going on if we weren’t promoted.

The championship is incredibly poor and honestly looks even worst than last year. Leeds and Leicester have the best squads and even they look pretty crap.

It's unbelievably close in that league this season, no way are we going to run away with it after a fire sale and rebuild again.
I also think Leicester and Leeds, probably Southampton and Ipswich would beat us right now

[Newcastleclaret93]

It's unbelievably close in that league this season, no way are we going to run away with it after a fire sale and rebuild again.
I also think Leicester and Leeds, probably Southampton and Ipswich would beat us right now

Potentially but given we will be the most wealthy club in the championship I would still expect us to be promoted quite comfortably

If we don’t it will be a massive failure

[agreenwood]

Potentially but given we will be the most wealthy club in the championship I would still expect us to be promoted quite comfortably

If we don’t it will be a massive failure

*Sets his stall out early doors*

[Newcastleclaret93]

*Sets his stall out early doors*

I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to imply.

But not getting promoted next season is no doubt a big failure. Given the funds we have spent etc…. Plus being in the 3rd year of a so called four year plan

[StayingDown4Ever]

I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to imply.

But not getting promoted next season is no doubt a big failure. Given the funds we have spent etc…. Plus being in the 3rd year of a so called four year plan

Did we ever decide what the four year plan was?

Is it to be in the Premier League and turning over good profits on young players?

[Goliath]

It's unbelievably close in that league this season, no way are we going to run away with it after a fire sale and rebuild again.
I also think Leicester and Leeds, probably Southampton and Ipswich would beat us right now

Does anyone really see Ipswich going again? I think if they dont go up then their manager goes soon and theres a bit of a drop off. They dont have the finances to compete really so its great news for us if they stay down.

Leicester and Leeds or Southampton going up would be ideal.

[bumba]

Potentially but given we will be the most wealthy club in the championship I would still expect us to be promoted quite comfortably

If we don’t it will be a massive failure

Wealthy in what sense?
We've spent all our money

[bumba]

Does anyone really see Ipswich going again? I think if they dont go up then their manager goes soon and theres a bit of a drop off. They dont have the finances to compete really so its great news for us if they stay down.

Leicester and Leeds or Southampton going up would be ideal.

Depends if McKenna stays but WBA, Norwich, Coventry and Hull could all have a good go next season

[Quicknick]

Potentially but given we will be the most wealthy club in the championship I would still expect us to be promoted quite comfortably

If we don’t it will be a massive failure

I think we'll finish top... of the bottom half.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Wealthy in what sense?
We've spent all our money

Wealth in assets.

We have approx 40 players on the books. Some of which will be sold (maybe not for profit) but we will recoup money to go again next season.

[claretonthecoast1882]

*Sets his stall out early doors*

Yup, exactly this. Last time he spent the summer saying we would likely struggle as we were rubbish, then it became the worst division he has ever seen. Now we are one of the worst teams he has ever seen but on the strength of that if we don't get promotion it will be a huge failure.

If we go up - well they've done what they should have done
If they don't - failure.

Either way he can't lose

[boyyanno]

Yup, exactly this. Last time he spent the summer saying we would likely struggle as we were rubbish, then it became the worst division he has ever seen. Now we are one of the worst teams he has ever seen but on the strength of that if we don't get promotion it will be a huge failure.

If we go up - well they've done what they should have done
If they don't - failure.

Either way he can't lose

Strangely enough that would be the exact same thing half of this board have done isn't it-

E:g we will be fine this year- actually no it's the strongest it's ever been, the gulf is too big and we could never have survived.

How come you don't have an issue with those people doing it?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Strangely enough that would be the exact same thing half of this board have done isn't it-

E:g we will be fine this year- actually no it's the strongest it's ever been, the gulf is too big and we could never have survived.

How come you don't have an issue with those people doing it?

Half of this board constantly do this do they ?

Name some and I will keep an eye out for the posts. Look forward to the names

[boyyanno]

*Sets his stall out early doors*

I'd argue the general consensus at the moment is that he stays, but it's also contingent on next year being successful. I haven't seen many say otherwise.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yup, exactly this. Last time he spent the summer saying we would likely struggle as we were rubbish, then it became the worst division he has ever seen. Now we are one of the worst teams he has ever seen but on the strength of that if we don't get promotion it will be a huge failure.

If we go up - well they've done what they should have done
If they don't - failure.

Either way he can't lose

Why don’t you stop twisting things.

Last season and this season are completely different. We are one of the worst premier league sides ever that’s a fact.

However the championship is in a really position right now. I would be amazed if we don’t get promoted. We should financially be the most wealthy and should spend the most in the summer.

I’m not sure what your issue is if I’m honest. I am being positive. Are you simply just trying to pick a fight because it’s me?

[boyyanno]

Half of this board constantly do this do they ?

Name some and I will keep an eye out for the posts. Look forward to the names

You want me to name every poster on here?

Newcastle Claret has posted an opinion, that's what everyone does.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Why don’t you stop twisting things.

Last season and this season are completely different. We are one of the worst premier league sides ever that’s a fact.

However the championship is in a really position right now. I would be amazed if we don’t get promoted. We should financially be the most wealthy and should spend the most in the summer.

I’m not sure what your issue is if I’m honest. I am being positive. Are you simply just trying to pick a fight because it’s me?

How should we be financially the most wealthy ? Is there only us going down ? Do we have no money to pay on signings ?

There is no picking a fight, it is just commenting on your comments.

[claretonthecoast1882]

You want me to name every poster on here?

Newcastle Claret has posted an opinion, that's what everyone does.

No, I just said name some, I mean if half the board are doing exactly the same surely you can remember 2 or 3 doing so

[boyyanno]

Why don’t you stop twisting things.

Last season and this season are completely different. We are one of the worst premier league sides ever that’s a fact.

However the championship is in a really position right now. I would be amazed if we don’t get promoted. We should financially be the most wealthy and should spend the most in the summer.

I’m not sure what your issue is if I’m honest. I am being positive. Are you simply just trying to pick a fight because it’s me?

Nail on the head. Shame really but a lot of people are clearly bullies on here. There's literally nothing wrong with what you've said. I'd argue 75 percent of the people that said they want Kompany to say have said its based on him being successful next year.

Strange that COC and agreenwood aren't all over that thread replying to people isn't it?

[boyyanno]

No, I just said name some, I mean if half the board are doing exactly the same surely you can remember 2 or 3 doing so

Every single post on here is likely someone's opinion. So I don't need to name any, but yeah I'll actually name Nori- supports Kompany but has also said him staying next year is contingent on success, want anymore? The Kompany thread is full of them, how come you aren't saying the same things to them?

Think carefully before you out yourself as an Internet Bully.

[Newcastleclaret93]

How should we be financially the most wealthy ? Is there only us going down ? Do we have no money to pay on signings ?

There is no picking a fight, it is just commenting on your comments.

I think we have the wealthiest squad value in the championship. I suspect we will make sales worth approx 70m-80m and bring circa 40m of talent in again similar to last time.

That should make us a country mile the most wealthy and I suspect at approx them sums we will be the biggest spenders by some
Distance.

Luton won’t spend that kind of money and Sheffield are struggling financially.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Every single post on here is likely someone's opinion. So I don't need to name any, but yeah I'll actually name Nori- supports Kompany but has also said him staying next year is contingent on success, want anymore? The Kompany thread is full of them, how come you aren't saying the same things to them?

Think carefully before you out yourself as an Internet Bully.

Perhaps if you could read properly you wouldn't be trotting out lame arsed comments like this.

My comments are nothing to do with wanting Kompany in or out. I would imagine like yourself that most are prepared to give Kompany time in championship I Know I am, the comments are towards when we do well it is because we are in a weak division and when we do bad it is because we are terrible.

As for your outing comment I honestly couldn't care less what you think of me my day or life won't change knowing I don't have your seal of approval. If someone wants to put daft comments on a public forum then surely they are expecting someone to comment. If you find something I put stupid then knock yourself and comment, I will be ok.

[Big Vinny K]

I think we have the wealthiest squad value in the championship. I suspect we will make sales worth approx 70m-80m and bring circa 40m of talent in again similar to last time.

That should make us a country mile the most wealthy and I suspect at approx them sums we will be the biggest spenders by some
Distance.

Luton won’t spend that kind of money and Sheffield are struggling financially.

Which players will raise £70m - £80m ?

Bearing in mind it’s 99% likely that we will only be one year into 3 or 4 year phased payments for the players we bought last summer it’s not going to be anything like the first summer under VK.

When we brought in around £80m in his first summer didn’t we make a profit on every one of the sales ? And weren’t a few of the players already paid for in full with no outstanding transfer commitments for the likes of Dwight and Pope ?

Very different situation this time round

[claretonthecoast1882]

I think we have the wealthiest squad value in the championship. I suspect we will make sales worth approx 70m-80m and bring circa 40m of talent in again similar to last time.

That should make us a country mile the most wealthy and I suspect at approx them sums we will be the biggest spenders by some
Distance.

Luton won’t spend that kind of money and Sheffield are struggling financially.

And that kind of comment is better for discussing rather than saying things are best or worst ever.

At the moment I struggle to think of many who will command decent fees on the back of this season and I am also not sure we will be spending as much, I think it may be more an approach of the management and players being told you got us into this you get us out of it

[boyyanno]

Perhaps if you could read properly you wouldn't be trotting out lame arsed comments like this.

My comments are nothing to do with wanting Kompany in or out. I would imagine like yourself that most are prepared to give Kompany time in championship I Know I am, the comments are towards when we do well it is because we are in a weak division and when we do bad it is because we are terrible.

As for your outing comment I honestly couldn't care less what you think of me my day or life won't change knowing I don't have your seal of approval. If someone wants to put daft comments on a public forum then surely they are expecting someone to comment. If you find something I put stupid then knock yourself and comment, I will be ok.

Ahhh so you did decide to out yourself after all. Shame I can't read isn't it, I assume braille is okay with you? Do you often use things like visual impatient to try and insult someone? Do you think that's acceptable/appropriate in the modern day?

Nearly every poster on here who wants Kompany to stay has said its contingent on success- you just dug Newcastle Claret out for no reason. He didn't post a daft comment, unless you think everyone else who has said so is daft, in which case why haven't you targeted them?

Because you're a Bully. And your first line in your response to me proves it- so thanks you've said enough

[claretonthecoast1882]

Ahhh so you did decide to out yourself after all. Shame I can't read isn't it, I assume braille is okay with you? Do you often use things like visual impatient to try and insult someone? Do you think that's acceptable/appropriate in the modern day?

Nearly every poster on here who wants Kompany to stay has said its contingent on success- you just dug Newcastle Claret out for no reason. He didn't post a daft comment, unless you think everyone else who has said so is daft, in which case why haven't you targeted them?

Because you're a Bully. And your first line in your response to me proves it- so thanks you've said enough

Then don't quote and put me on your foe list.

I am fairly sure I have just told you what part of his comments I was commenting on and they had nothing to do WITH WANTING KOMPANY OUT maybe in capitals you will see it this time. Sometimes it pays to read what has been put not what you think has been put even when it has been explained to you twice now.

[boyyanno]

Then don't quote and put me on your foe list.

I am fairly sure I have just told you what part of his comments I was commenting on and they had nothing to do WITH WANTING KOMPANY OUT maybe in capitals you will see it this time. Sometimes it pays to read what has been put not what you think has been put even when it has been explained to you twice now.

I don't need to foe anyone thanks. You don't deal with bullies by ignoring them my friend.

The post you quoted is shown above, about Newcastle setting his stall out, that's in direct response to his quote about Kompany. Shock horror I can actually read, but watching you fold like a deck of cards and start spouting nonsense when your challenged is a bit funny really.

So if its not about Kompany what is it about- Newcastle Claret? Ahhh so you admit it then. Absolutely fine.

[claretonthecoast1882]

fold like a deck of cards

"Potentially but given we will be the most wealthy club in the championship I would still expect us to be promoted quite comfortably

If we don’t it will be a massive failure"

That is the post "sets stall out" was used against, can you show me where it talks about Kompany in or out.

[boyyanno]

fold like a deck of cards

"Potentially but given we will be the most wealthy club in the championship I would still expect us to be promoted quite comfortably

If we don’t it will be a massive failure"

That is the post "sets stall out" was used against, can you show me where it talks about Kompany in or out.

Semantics- I'd probably Google it so you understand what I mean. Fortunately you can read so maybe use a dictionary.

If we fail then Kompany fails. Failure is failure. And anyone saying the same thing about Kompany remaining is making the same point, we have to be successful next year- if we aren't it's failure.

Pretty simple.

[bumba]

Wealth in assets.

We have approx 40 players on the books. Some of which will be sold (maybe not for profit) but we will recoup money to go again next season.

I know we've a lot on our books which is more worrying because we are paying those wages without premier league money. We need people to take those players, to be able to replace we need to make profit otherwise we are just paying off the installments left to pay.
I hope we sell the ones not good enough and replace with good buys to be competitive but I honestly don't see it as straight forward as some fans think it will be.
I hope I'm wrong and your right though

[Goliath]

Depends if McKenna stays but WBA, Norwich, Coventry and Hull could all have a good go next season

Coventry are screwed. Theyve managed to lose Gykores and O'hare for minimal money. Thats about 40 millions worth of talent at least. Idiotic.

WBA have a solid champ squad, Norwich have an aging crap squad. Hull seem to have no transfer strategy theyve been spending money on names such as Twine, Zaroury, Seri, Carvalho etc so they should be doing better.

The real competition will be the other teams that come down along with Leeds or Southampton hopefully.

[Nori1958]

Coventry are screwed. Theyve managed to lose Gykores and O'hare for minimal money. Thats about 40 millions worth of talent at least. Idiotic.

WBA have a solid champ squad, Norwich have an aging crap squad. Hull seem to have no transfer strategy theyve been spending money on names such as Twine, Zaroury, Seri, Carvalho etc so they should be doing better.

The real competition will be the other teams that come down along with Leeds or Southampton hopefully.

There was an article in the papers yesterday about all the players sheff utd are losing...I wouldn't worry about them, Luton would lose Barkley and the full back at least, plus the manager if he's as good as they say on here, notts forest would also lose all their best players, and Everton would be reliant on the takeover going through

[bumba]

There was an article in the papers yesterday about all the players sheff utd are losing...I wouldn't worry about them, Luton would lose Barkley and the full back at least, plus the manager if he's as good as they say on here, notts forest would also lose all their best players, and Everton would be reliant on the takeover going through

I don't know if Forest would, the chairman there really doesn't give a toss so wouldn't be surprised if he kept as many as possible and took the points reduction.
Other clubs will probably look at us and say we've blown our budget and will have to sell a lot to balance the books to might say we aren't a threat.

[Carlos the Great]

Forest managed to survive after signing over 25 players .. To me it’s a massive mistake but they could argue they survived so healed and progressed managing fo stay in the premier league . We haven’t come close to staying up .. it’s been a disaster and no matter what VK says he has deffo messed up massively ..You can’t simply say your learning when things go wrong .. He isn’t learning IMO as nothing has changed throughout the season

[Jakubclaret]

He's made a rod for his own back with the haphazard approach to recruiting mainly targeting players he thinks the club can make a quick buck on in the future & not focusing on what's needed to be competitive in the top league. I think he thought he could get away with it but no margin for error it's a ruthless unforgiving league. Silly man in some ways but circumstancially his arse is covered in terms of keeping his job anywhere else he'd be down the frog & toad.

[NewClaret]

€17.3 million on TransferMarket site. So anything between 15-16 million pounds.
€18.6 million for Amdouni so 16-17 million pounds.

We can argue about a million pounds or so difference each way in perceived transfer fees paid for players, however it looks like we have overpaid for the majority of them looking at the way they have performed, or warmed the bench.

We can argue all day on transfer fees. I don’t think the press even know given Kompany has said before that the prices we’ve paid are far lower than reported in the press and Matt Williams recently said the fee we’d agreed for Maatsen was far lower than the €31.5m Sky reported. Had we signed him, and he weren’t playing well, we’d all be saying we’d wasted £30m on a player when it’d be nowhere near.

What I don’t agree with is that we have overpaid for players. We’re basically paying £12-16m on players in a league where most teams line up with a £20m+ players in every position. You could run through Bournemouths recent signings, or this weekend’s opponent West Ham with their €45m Kudus and €35m JWP in one summer window. It’s hardly surprising that Amdouni or some of our other players don’t look the same level when they cost a a third or quarter as much.

The other issue is that they’re playing in a team full of inexperience. Drop them in to a West Ham or Everton side with more control of Prem games and they’d look decent.

I don’t think any have done well enough to earn us a decent profit though, so I think we’ll be in a different situation this summer to our previous relegation where we were able to sell players on relatively easily.

[Jamesy]

We can argue all day on transfer fees. I don’t think the press even know given Kompany has said before that the prices we’ve paid are far lower than reported in the press and Matt Williams recently said the fee we’d agreed for Maatsen was far lower than the €31.5m Sky reported. Had we signed him, and he weren’t playing well, we’d all be saying we’d wasted £30m on a player when it’d be nowhere near.

What I don’t agree with is that we have overpaid for players. We’re basically paying £12-16m on players in a league where most teams line up with a £20m+ players in every position. You could run through Bournemouths recent signings, or this weekend’s opponent West Ham with their €45m Kudus and €35m JWP in one summer window. It’s hardly surprising that Amdouni or some of our other players don’t look the same level when they cost a a third or quarter as much.

The other issue is that they’re playing in a team full of inexperience. Drop them in to a West Ham or Everton side with more control of Prem games and they’d look decent.

I don’t think any have done well enough to earn us a decent profit though, so I think we’ll be in a different situation this summer to our previous relegation where we were able to sell players on relatively easily.

Sorry but you are miles off the mark with your assertions. Your optimism is clouding the facts.
TransferMarket is a reliable website for transfer fees paid. I would take what Matt Williams has said with a pinch of salt also. It is easy to refute things when the deal hasn’t actually been done.

Fact is, whether or not we have paid a fraction of what other clubs have paid on players (and we haven’t). The numerous players he has brought in have been on the whole well below the standard required or the standard he expected. That is down to him and his Mud Analytics business.