Dyche or Kompany?

[Devils_Advocate]

Who'll last the longest at their respective jobs?

[CoolClaret]

Is this time from now or from when they first joined their respective clubs?

[Devils_Advocate]

From now

[Cooclaret]

Kompany; he’s got his claws deep into this club somehow

[evensteadiereddie]

Kompany; he’s got his claws deep into this club somehow

Yes, we'll be set up beautifully for next season.

A few departures, a few additions and we'll fly.

[Belgianclaret]

Can’t see anyone lasting as long as Dyche for the next decennia

[Woodleyclaret]

If Sean takes Everton down I think he will get binned

[NewClaret]

Kompany.

Everton fans don’t seem happy with Dyche and while I think he’s got a bit of credit left in the tank if this form continues they’ll get shut.

If this 777 partners deal gets the go ahead I think they’ll look for a clean slate. If it doesn’t I think he might get a tad longer.

[Tricky Trevor]

Not the question posed but Dyche is the better manager.

[Boss Hogg]

Yes, we'll be set up beautifully for next season.

A few departures, a few additions and we'll fly.

Hope so. A few posters will have egg on their faces if we don’t too. A bit like the posters earlier this season who thought we’d be ok once we played teams on our level. The ones who thought we wouldn’t were mocked.

[Burnley1989]

Not the question posed but Dyche is the better manager.

At the moment, 100% he’s the better manager, I do think Kompany is a good manager though on a steep learning curve

[Burnley1989]

Hope so. A few posters will have egg on their faces if we don’t too. A bit like the posters earlier this season who thought we’d be ok once we played teams on our level. The ones who thought we wouldn’t were mocked.

nobody mocked you stop being dramatic

[Roosterbooster]

Kompany; he’s got his claws deep into this club somehow

I imagine it has something to do with last season's continuous breaking of records

Incredible to think that such achievements would have such a bearing on the thoughts of the owners. Ridiculous. Last thing I'd want is a manager with that Championship record as we most likely head into a Championship season

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If Everton are taken over, it’s going to depend on how much the new owners understand the mess and job at Everton

He’s proven he can get a club into the top 10 and also to qualify for a European spot

Given time, and money, he can transform Everton and be their next Moyes

Kompany - our owners have a long term plan and Kompany appears to be a part of that
If we bounce back up next season then he’s rightly going to be given another crack at the PL

I honestly don’t know who’s still in their respective jobs at the end of next season

[Vim Fuego]

Not answering the question directly, but Dyche takes Kompany to school and some. Not even a debate

But hey, VK is still learning right. Except he isn't. He is being stubborn and has a massive ego. Not great in terms of learning

[Rileybobs]

Not answering the question directly, but Dyche takes Kompany to school and some. Not even a debate

But hey, VK is still learning right. Except he isn't. He is being stubborn and has a massive ego. Not great in terms of learning

What is it about VK that makes you think he’s got a massive ego? He always comes across as a humble person to me.

[Burnley1989]

What is it about VK that makes you think he’s got a massive ego? He always comes across as a humble person to me.

Tbf, if I was one of the greatest ever premier leagues captains/defenders, I’d have a bit of an ego.

[warksclaret]

SD-better equipped for the PL. Even with a very poor PL side he got us over 30 points when relegated. Better man manager, stronger mental strength. 12 months ago I would have said VK, but hes shown the PL is a step too far for him and been disastrous

[Vim Fuego]

What is it about VK that makes you think he’s got a massive ego? He always comes across as a humble person to me.

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Stubborn. Ego. Narcissism. Call it what you want. He got this call all wrong and is sticking by it no matter what

[IanMcL]

I suspect that no matter what Mr Dyche achieves with Everton minus points, this season, when the club move to their very costly new shed, he will be binned, in favour of a glossy named new foreign import.

[Rileybobs]

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Stubborn. Ego. Narcissism. Call it what you want. He got this call all wrong and is sticking by it no matter what

So because he’s got a different idea than you of who his best goalkeeper is, he’s got a massive ego? It sounds more like you’ve got the bigger ego.

[Vim Fuego]

So because he’s got a different idea than you of who his best goalkeeper is, he’s got a massive ego? It sounds more like you’ve got the bigger ego.

Read the article. He more or less admits he got it got it wrong that JT is not ready now, but will be fine in a couple of seasons. (eh?)

And why do you have to try and fire darts at other Clarets with different ideas than you? Poor that mate

[CrosspoolClarets]

Despite the silly thread premise I’ll bite and suggest Kompany will be the better manager if in charge of England or Man City.

His problem has been he overestimates what his players can do and overthinks things, Dyche’s tactics in charge of those bigger teams would fail, dramatically.

Our problem has been we are aspiring to be in between Burnley now and Man City (a Brighton for example) and that involves some turbulence along the way.

[jlup1980]

Kompany should already have walked. His success last season was based around a combination of shrewd signings and Dyche players (Taylor, Roberts, Brownhill, Cork, JBG, Jay, Barnes) and this season has been an absolute car crash in every single way.

He's managed to ostracise those players who got us back to the PL, not use the older heads as much as he should, stick by players who clearly aren't PL quality, spend a fortune on absolute dross and condemn us to relegation by Christmas. Kompany has the worst points per game record of any PL manager who's managed at least 25 games. What more does he need to get wrong before he's given the sack?!

Dyche will never be a fashionable manager but he's a million times the manager Kompany will ever be.

[Boss Hogg]

nobody mocked you stop being dramatic

?? Didn’t say they did mock me. Odd post but odd poster.

[Swizzlestick]

Kompany should already have walked. His success last season was based around a combination of shrewd signings and Dyche players (Taylor, Roberts, Brownhill, Cork, JBG, Jay, Barnes) and this season has been an absolute car crash in every single way.

He's managed to ostracise those players who got us back to the PL, not use the older heads as much as he should, stick by players who clearly aren't PL quality, spend a fortune on absolute dross and condemn us to relegation by Christmas. Kompany has the worst points per game record of any PL manager who's managed at least 25 games. What more does he need to get wrong before he's given the sack?!

Dyche will never be a fashionable manager but he's a million times the manager Kompany will ever be.

Why should he have walked? We all know it’s been a poor season, but the owners are affording him the responsibility to sort it out, so he’s going to do that. Whether you agree with their decision is another question.

Your last line is sensationalist nonsense.

[Rileybobs]

Read the article. He more or less admits he got it got it wrong that JT is not ready now, but will be fine in a couple of seasons. (eh?)

And why do you have to try and fire darts at other Clarets with different ideas than you? Poor that mate

I’m not firing darts at anyone. You suggested that VK is playing Trafford because he has a massive ego. That just doesn’t make sense, and your reasoning suggests your opinion of the situation is more legitimate than Kompany’s, which in itself comes across as egotistical.

[CHEWBACCA]

Given what Kompany's had in funds Dyche !!!!

[Swizzlestick]

Re the OP, judging by some of the Everton fans comments I’ve seen recently, and forthcoming new owners, I think Kompany may well last longer in his current role.

[Claretitus]

Re the OP, judging by some of the Everton fans comments I’ve seen recently, and forthcoming new owners, I think Kompany may well last longer in his current role.

No doubt about it. I think Dyche will get the OBE ( out before Easter ), and VK will be at our helm in the Championship next season.

[KRBFC]

Hope so. A few posters will have egg on their faces if we don’t too. A bit like the posters earlier this season who thought we’d be ok once we played teams on our level. The ones who thought we wouldn’t were mocked.

Bla bla bla

Is this forum just a childish point scoring thing? Just stick to an opinion and refuse to alter it out of fear? Like that absolute idiot Stayingdownforever who called Foster pony last season and refused to admit he was wrong when Foster was our best player earlier this season.

[wbfc]

Foster scored 3 or 4 goals at the start of the season and then at Villa...not sure we can say he had a good season...i am guessing another potential player ...not one good signing for me last season

Brian Laws is disparaged but he had little financial backing ..at least he had one good signing in Marney...

i hate myself for still being bothered ...sorry

[mickleoverclaret]

Kompany will last longer as the level of expectation from the fans and the board at Everton is much, much bigger than it is here.

[Cooclaret]

Hope so. A few posters will have egg on their faces if we don’t too. A bit like the posters earlier this season who thought we’d be ok once we played teams on our level. The ones who thought we wouldn’t were mocked.

*bullied

[Cooclaret]

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Stubborn. Ego. Narcissism. Call it what you want. He got this call all wrong and is sticking by it no matter what

Trafford is a brilliant goalkeeper, he’s playing behind fodder and an awfully set up midfield/defence. Not his fault.

I believe he will be Englands #1 post Short Arms and will go to the next tournament with England be it in the squad or as an ‘experience’ member.

That being said, I think we’ve helped out MC with FFP with this purchase.

[Cooclaret]

I imagine it has something to do with last season's continuous breaking of records

Incredible to think that such achievements would have such a bearing on the thoughts of the owners. Ridiculous. Last thing I'd want is a manager with that Championship record as we most likely head into a Championship season

Or, he’s lost the squad; destroyed unity with stupid signings. Lost any buy in and loyalty from those he’s dismissed as not Prem standard.

He was brilliant last season, no debate. But he’s lost the core of that squad this year and it’s shown.

How do you pick up a player that you discarded and ask them to get you promoted again?

His tactical awareness in game is non existent, his in game management is bizarre.

He could have a long term agreement with the club to use his own business for scouting. If he has, and it seems he might with some of the strange signings we’ve made, that’s a clear conflict.

Bury your heads lads, when you emerge in July, it’ll be the same story!

[jlup1980]

Why should he have walked? We all know it’s been a poor season, but the owners are affording him the responsibility to sort it out, so he’s going to do that. Whether you agree with their decision is another question.

Your last line is sensationalist nonsense.

Sensationalist nonsense? Really? Come back when Vincent has taken a club of our size into Europe on a shoestring budget, or managed half as many matches in the PL as Dyche. I'll be waiting a long time for either.

[BabylonClaret]

I reckon Dyche might go first - as others have said, the expectation on him is huge (and probably unrealistic). Plus Vince seems bulletproof here

[KateR]

I'm not sure which will go first, too much depends on Everton's take over, I don't think the points deductions will affect SD and generally from what bit I do here the Everton fans like him more than do not. VK has a lot in the bank, so I'm fully expecting him to be here next season, how we perform in the league below will have a large impact.

I'm not expecting us to walk that league and auto promotion will not be that easy, of course much of this depends on the summer transfer window, which I've no idea what will happen.

However, many thought SD was bulletproof, and when it turned out he wasn't, there was considerable shock from many parts inside & outside the club, if we are not doing well by Christmas, it certainly wouldn't surprise me if he went.

[TPClaret]

Or, he’s lost the squad; destroyed unity with stupid signings. Lost any buy in and loyalty from those he’s dismissed as not Prem standard.

He was brilliant last season, no debate. But he’s lost the core of that squad this year and it’s shown.

How do you pick up a player that you discarded and ask them to get you promoted again?

His tactical awareness in game is non existent, his in game management is bizarre.

He could have a long term agreement with the club to use his own business for scouting. If he has, and it seems he might with some of the strange signings we’ve made, that’s a clear conflict.

Bury your heads lads, when you emerge in July, it’ll be the same story!

Was his tactical awareness non existent last season and his in game management bizarre.

[Jakubclaret]

Or, he’s lost the squad; destroyed unity with stupid signings. Lost any buy in and loyalty from those he’s dismissed as not Prem standard.

He was brilliant last season, no debate. But he’s lost the core of that squad this year and it’s shown.

How do you pick up a player that you discarded and ask them to get you promoted again?

His tactical awareness in game is non existent, his in game management is bizarre.

He could have a long term agreement with the club to use his own business for scouting. If he has, and it seems he might with some of the strange signings we’ve made, that’s a clear conflict.

Bury your heads lads, when you emerge in July, it’ll be the same story!

"How do you pick up a player that you discarded & ask them to get you promoted again" maybe remind them they aren't there under a charity guise & are actually getting paid for their services. Far too much mollycoddling goes on.

[CoolClaret]

"How do you pick up a player that you discarded & ask them to get you promoted again" maybe remind them they aren't there under a charity guise & are actually getting paid for their services. Far too much mollycoddling goes on.

Superb sh1tposting Jakub, fair play for keeping it up for this long.

[evensteadiereddie]

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Stubborn. Ego. Narcissism. Call it what you want. He got this call all wrong and is sticking by it no matter what

Whether he got it wrong is, as we've seen on here ad nausea, debatable.
We'll see for sure next season.

[Vim Fuego]

Whether he got it wrong is, as we've seen on here ad nausea, debatable.

No it is not. It is an absolute no brainer for this season. We have a keeper on the bench that can spray it, make fast decisions and play the ball with accuracy. He was our most improved played last season and his development is now stalled, His big frame makes him a good a shot stopper

For some reason, we paid a lot of money for a kid that might be good in a few seasons. It is a large part of the reason why we are failing. VK in that interview more or less admits he is not ready now. VK is being stubborn by continuing to pick JT right now

We'll see for sure next season.

See what for sure next season ? I doubt our best GK that helped us dominate last season will be around unfortunately

[California Colner]

Theses threads get really old

[boatshed bill]

A night out in Brussels or Manchester: Kompany
A night out in Kettering: Dyche

[houseboy]

There does seem to be a short supply of logic on here regarding VK and much of it appears to come from some who think we should be still limping along with Dyche and his (in the end) stultifyingly dull football. Not knocking Dyche for the amazing job he did for us but sadly it went far too stale. Are we going down? Most likely. Where will we be playing next season? The Championship. Who has (albeit one season) the most remarkable record of any Championship manager in recent years? Why, we already employ him. It is pure common sense for VK to stay, with his record at that level so far it would be insane to sack him. Can he do it again? Who knows, but I would feel far safer with him at the helm to start with than almost any manager you care to mention. 101 points gained from playing the best football seen at that level for many a long year and done with a brand new team who barely knew each others languages. There is a plan I believe but I think that even VK himself was shocked at our success and found himself in the PL too soon.
If we go down so be it but I sincerely hope the man is stood by, the same man who won us the championship at Ewood. The same man who everyone on here was giving godlike status too. The same man who even opposing fans were praising. Stuff the PL for now, it’s a millionaires playground anyway.

[Cooclaret]

Was his tactical awareness non existent last season and his in game management bizarre.

Totally different leagues. Players were a step above everyone else last season.

Momentum was with him, and with the club.

If you go back to last seasons threads you’d find questions about subs etc.

[Cooclaret]

"How do you pick up a player that you discarded & ask them to get you promoted again" maybe remind them they aren't there under a charity guise & are actually getting paid for their services. Far too much mollycoddling goes on.

I am going to presume you’ve managed people before? I am also going to presume that your age is past or close to the retirement age.

Whilst there is some truth in your reply, there is a total disregard about the modern sporting climate and people management.

Money isn’t a motivator anymore in football. A good player in the Championship/Premier League has enough by year two/three to last him and his family a lifetime.

So what currency do you think you have as a manager to trade with the players to ask them to perform/buy in/echo positivity?

[taio]

I am going to presume you’ve managed people before? I am also going to presume that your age is past or close to the retirement age.

Whilst there is some truth in your reply, there is a total disregard about the modern sporting climate and people management.

Money isn’t a motivator anymore in football. A good player in the Championship/Premier League has enough by year two/three to last him and his family a lifetime.

So what currency do you think you have as a manager to trade with the players to ask them to perform/buy in/echo positivity?

I can't believe anyone with any understanding of football would think that players aren't motivated by money anymore. That's just wildly incorrect.