Ouch- feels like a defeat that!

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:28 pm

why cant we see a game out?
Company tries but his change of tactics seldom come off.
as a fan we all knew that even at 2-0 up we wouldn't end up winning the game- we have previous.
we also knew that West ham would score late on/ injury time which they did.
2-0 you gotta win that game- surely!!!
Luton score late and we concede late- its either tactics or mentality with the team - maybe both but as a fan its really frustrating.

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Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:29 pm

It’s mainly because we don’t know how to defend and we don’t know how to score. Causes us problems.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:30 pm

Lack of experience showing at key moments
Lack of composure from certain experienced players
Hard to win a game when your confidence is shot
Mind boggling substitutions

That's why we can't see a game out

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:30 pm

Or…..Luton, Sheffield and ourselves all draw away and close the gap to Everton and Forest, but we do it against far superior opposition.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:32 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:30 pm
Or…..Luton, Sheffield and ourselves all draw away and close the gap to Everton and Forest, but we do it against far superior opposition.

Maybe true but massive chance to gain 3 points on Everton and Forest and gain 2 on luton

Poulton-le-Claret · Post by **Poulton-le-Claret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:32 pm

Extremely lucky with Berge's handball

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:33 pm

At least we have added another team to the exclusive list of those we have taken points from. That is now six teams we have taken anything from

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:35 pm

Our defending is never controlled or "comfortable" in the way we frequently saw under Dyche, especially if we're ahead. But that means other teams always have a chance of scoring, even out of absolutely nothing, from the very first minute to the very last no matter how many are added on. It's all very helter skelter and every other team knows by now that you're always in with a chance against Burnley, no matter what the score and no matter how long has been played.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:37 pm

I listened to Chris Wilder’s post match interview after the Arsenal game, and he was quite open in saying the players were battered, confidence wise.

Kompany would never be so frank, but that’s exactly where our players are at too.

The jury is still out with VK as far as I’m concerned, but I dont think we should be too critical of the players today.

We’ve gone away to a team pushing for Europe and got a point.

In the context of this disastrous season, we have to look at it as a positive and take confidence from it.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:39 pm

Poor use of subs Jayrod and Benny for last 10 and go for a 3rd not sitting back and hoping for a point that's 5 points dropped from a winning position v WHU. Totally naive by VK

Neil · Post by **Neil** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:39 pm

In a normal season it would have been a good point.
It's not just frustrating because we conceded late, it's because that's probably the most shots and good chances we've had since sheff utd.
Second half wasn't great but we had at least three really good opportunities on the break.
Great strike from Fofana and he lead the line better than anyone in any game this season (Fosters best games included)

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:41 pm

Burnley need 3 points just about every game they play now sadly.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:47 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:30 pm
Or…..Luton, Sheffield and ourselves all draw away and close the gap to Everton and Forest, but we do it against far superior opposition.

It's a very small sliver the superior opposition which is cancelled out by a game less if that's the rate of progress which translates into some meaningful escape route it'll take more than 10 games.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:47 pm

Did anyone really expect us to win when 2-0 up as I certainly didn’t having watched us this season. The only surprise is we didn’t lose but nearly could have. Better first half but the game lasts for 90 +. You’d hope for some improvement somewhere on the pitch over an entire season.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:47 pm

The half time sub was a lot to do with it. Brownhill makes us worse. We then proceeded to take our only other winger off leaving us with no outlet other than fofana who refuses to pass the ball.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:48 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:47 pm
Did anyone really expect us to win when 2-0 up...

No.
Not one little bit.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:51 pm

Oh well, plenty of happy people on here this evening.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:51 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:47 pm
Did anyone really expect us to win when 2-0 up as I certainly didn’t having watched us this season. The only surprise is we didn’t lose but nearly could have. Better first half but the game lasts for 90 +. You’d hope for some improvement somewhere on the pitch over an entire season.

It was hope more than expectation... and then I saw Brownhill was coming on

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:59 pm

If we’d have held on,and beaten Brentford next week ,we’d at least have had a distant though slim hope with the Forest deduction to come . As it was we surrendered a 0-2 ,which but for a wonder strike from foo foo and an OG was a bit flattering .
2nd half they really should have buried us , we were wayward , panicky and even some ludicrous cheating from Assignon , a Berge handball and dreadful finishing from WH couldn’t save us . Our 2nd half chances were blown even with WH committing numbers forward and being pretty scrappy themselves in defence .

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:04 pm

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:37 pm
I listened to Chris Wilder’s post match interview after the Arsenal game, and he was quite open in saying the players were battered, confidence wise.

Kompany would never be so frank, but that’s exactly where our players are at too.

The jury is still out with VK as far as I’m concerned, but I dont think we should be too critical of the players today.

We’ve gone away to a team pushing for Europe and got a point.

In the context of this disastrous season, we have to look at it as a positive and take confidence from it.

Not the first time his sub has totally killed the sides momentum.

Brownhill needs to be kept out of the line up at this level he is awful.

Robbie_painter · Post by **Robbie_painter** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:08 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:04 pm
Not the first time his sub has totally killed the sides momentum.

Brownhill needs to be kept out of the line up at this level he is awful.

Trafford doesn’t do anything wrong so I’ll single Brownhill out this week.Guve it a rest ffs.

Poulton-le-Claret · Post by **Poulton-le-Claret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:09 pm

At least the West Ham forums are worse. Moyes getting absolute pelters on there from everyone.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:13 pm

It's a valid point. As soon as I saw Brownhill on the touchline, my heart sank. It sank even further when I realized that he was coming on for Bruun Larsen, who, to my mind, was our best player today.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:13 pm

Robbie_painter wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:08 pm
Trafford doesn’t do anything wrong so I’ll single Brownhill out this week.Guve it a rest ffs.

Sorry if it bothers you Robbie both unbelievably bad players

have you not seen the player ratings?

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:17 pm

dermotdermot wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:13 pm
It's a valid point. As soon as I saw Brownhill on the touchline, my heart sank. It sank even further when I realized that he was coming on for Bruun Larsen, who, to my mind, was our best player today.

I understood bringing Brownhill on as Obafemi was getting battered in the centre. That should have been a straight swap with Bruun Larsen staying on.

Other than that I’m not going to criticise the tactical changes he made. They were playing two centre forwards and Soucek behind with two wide players pushed high. Can’t not react to that.

Robbie_painter · Post by **Robbie_painter** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:22 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:13 pm
Sorry if it bothers you Robbie both unbelievably bad players have you not seen the player ratings?

I tend to skip through most of them and only pay attention to more sensible posters ratings.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:22 pm

burnmark wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:17 pm
I understood bringing Brownhill on as Obafemi was getting battered in the centre. That should have been a straight swap with Bruun Larsen staying on.

Other than that I’m not going to criticise the tactical changes he made. They were playing two centre forwards and Soucek behind with two wide players pushed high. Can’t not react to that.

You do realise obafemi is on loan at Millwall don’t you

blatherwickstattoos · Post by **blatherwickstattoos** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:36 pm

Josh Brownhill is not a premier league footballer . Never will be

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:39 pm

Ooh, that's a surprise, I'd a feeling you might have had something positive to say today.

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:40 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:22 pm
You do realise obafemi is on loan at Millwall don’t you

Apologies. *Odabert

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:23 pm

Last 27 games when winning at half time W18 D 9 L0

Paddy1882 · Post by **Paddy1882** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:28 pm

Kompany getting a lot of stick for the brownhill sub, for me it’s the right sub, not his fault Brownhill massively let him down.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:29 pm

With a distinct chance Brownhill signs for a PL Team next season, who will our Pro Licence A fans pick on next?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:31 pm

JohnMac wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:29 pm
With a distinct chance Brownhill signs for a PL Team next season, who will our Pro Licence A fans pick on next?

Is that a joke?

Which PL team in their right mind would take Brownhill?

He wasn't going enough two years ago!

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:33 pm

Decent point played well first half and should have nicked it at the end. Once again wrong substitutions.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:37 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:31 pm
Is that a joke?

Which PL team in their right mind would take Brownhill?

He wasn't going enough two years ago!

No it isn't a joke. There will be more than one side interested in him if we don't extend his contract.

Playing people in their better positions tends to work for lots of teams, for some reason VK chooses to do otherwise. He isn't going to be of interest to most teams but a few will look at him as he brings energy and in the right team will do a job.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:38 pm

JohnMac wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:37 pm
No it isn't a joke. There will be more than one side interested in him if we don't extend his contract.

Playing people in their better positions tends to work for lots of teams, for some reason VK chooses to do otherwise. He isn't going to be of interest to most teams but a few will look at him as he brings energy and in the right team will do a job.

Who will look at him? What's his best position?

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:50 pm

Defensive Centre Midfield.

Wolves and Leicester already shown interest.

Other than that, ask his agent, we are expressing opinions here.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:51 pm

JohnMac wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:50 pm
Defensive Centre Midfield.

Wolves and Leicester already shown interest.

Other than that, ask his agent, we are expressing opinions here.

Wolves!

He's played plenty of times in a defensive centre midfield role. He's hardly set the place on fire, has he?

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:53 pm

JohnMac wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:23 pm
Last 27 games when winning at half time W18 D 9 L0

Premier League record.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:54 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:51 pm
Wolves!

He's played plenty of times in a defensive centre midfield role. He's hardly set the place on fire, has he?

They were being heavily linked with him before or during the January transfer window but it was made clear we wouldn't sell.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:57 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:54 pm
They were being heavily linked with him before or during the January transfer window but it was made clear we wouldn't sell.

Obviously we wouldn't want to sell such a valuable asset

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:00 pm

Paddy1882 wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:28 pm
Kompany getting a lot of stick for the brownhill sub, for me it’s the right sub, not his fault Brownhill massively let him down.

Sadly its about the 5th poor game in a row for Josh

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:01 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:00 pm
Sadly its about the 5th poor game in a row for Josh

For about the fifth time this season.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:02 pm

For us to win a game we need all 11 at the top of their game, but that means VK has to be too, and the jurys out on him right now

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:04 pm

Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:32 pm
Extremely lucky with Berge's handball

It hit his arm but no way could that be hand ball he headed it down on to his arm that is not handball but we were lucky with Ings offside goal though.

Poulton-le-Claret · Post by **Poulton-le-Claret** » Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:31 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:04 pm
It hit his arm but no way could that be hand ball he headed it down on to his arm that is not handball but we were lucky with Ings offside goal though.

It's more of a handball than we have seen gone against us this season. Forest (a) when they ruled out Berge's handball the prime example.

Either way, we were due some good luck

Bullabill · Post by **Bullabill** » Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:07 am

JohnMac wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:23 pm
Last 27 games when winning at half time W18 D 9 L0

Not so. Were winning in just 18 of those games.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:10 am

Having seen the extended highlights their first goal is absolutely shocking defending.What was Esteve doing. That goal turned the game and made it our luckiest point when it could have been three

getbennyon · Post by **getbennyon** » Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:51 am

The game in many ways highlighted what was needed this season, difference-makers. The goal from Fofana gave us something to defend and in turn, allowed us to create our opportunities as West Ham chased the game. It was an unusual game for us when you compare it to the rest of the season.

Kompany made the same mistake many people on here make in equating left backs as equal importance to centre forwards. Under Dyche, we had players who could impact games up the pitch(Ings, Barnes and Wood) which would give us something to defend at the other end. People don't notice the left-back as much when you've got a forward who knows where the back of the net is and equally people do focus more on the left-back when you don't have a goal-scoring forward.

This season we didn't sign Tella and went with Amdouni, this decision has proven to be a killer.