Arijanet Muric

[Steddyman]

Does anyone remember that pinged cross out to Charlie on the touchline that was clear half the length of the pitch?

Can any other keeper in the league pass like that?

[dsr]

Does anyone remember that pinged cross out to Charlie on the touchline that was clear half the length of the pitch?

Can any other keeper in the league pass like that?

Yes. Against Bournemouth in the first half, Trafford played three passes like that to the right wing, before Bournemouth tightened that up in the second half.

Can we get away from the "Muric is better than McDonald, Trafford is worse than Hansbury" slant? They both have strengths and weakneeses, and it's fair comment that one is better than the other, but denying the truth about one because we support the other is not good argument.

[NewClaret]

Does anyone remember that pinged cross out to Charlie on the touchline that was clear half the length of the pitch?

Can any other keeper in the league pass like that?

I’ve just watched the game back. Live I thought he had a decent enough game but when you watch it back he was outstanding.

It’s not just how well he passes the ball, it’s the positions he takes up to receive the ball (which is in part why O’Shea nearly scored the worst OG of all time.

Honestly think he has the potential to go for a HUGE fee and just baffling he’s not been playing all year.

[Stayingup]

Does anyone remember that pinged cross out to Charlie on the touchline that was clear half the length of the pitch?

Can any other keeper in the league pass like that?

Yes a really good pass and as of now Muric gets rhe ball out quicker than JR giving us more momentum. But we should consider that this was 10 man Brentford abd not a top team.

[boatshed bill]

Sometimes, size matters. It just does.

You seriously think Trafford is taller than Muric?

Trafford has to be a couple of inches shorter.
But as a poster pointed out months ago, shoulder height matters more than actual height..

[South West Claret.]

Again only from MOTD but thought he was there excellent yesterday.

[Colburn_Claret]

It's just frustrating that he hasn't been given a chance before yesterday. It could have gone tits up, and there's no guarantee that playing Muric all season would have put us in a better position in the league, but after his performances last season he deserved the opportunity. It should have been his shirt to lose, and to take this long to be given that chance doesn't show VK in the best light.

[123EasyasBFC]

Kompany but muric in an even more pressure situation by starting him, muric will hear the fans calling for him to start, over the season people have called muric erratic compared to Trafford. Yesterday was one of the calmest goal keeping performances I’ve seen for someone chucked into a high pressure situation, yes helped by an early red card, but even after the game with all the young lads dancing around muric calmest bloke on pitch walking off.

[jurek]

Agree with all Colburn says re. Muric and VK who I believe was too keen
to prove the spend on Trafford was justified.
What finally prompted VK into giving Muric a chance I'll suppose we'll never know.
It was probably a difficult decision possibly influenced by the views of many fans.
Is it a sign that he's learning? Time will tell no doubt.

Can we go on a run that will give us a chance of staying up?
Highly unlikely I think most would think in the sense that we'll probably
need at least 18 points from our remaining 9 games.
And even that might be enough unless Forest and/or Everton get points deducted.

[Rileybobs]

What finally prompted VK into giving Muric a chance I'll suppose we'll never know.
It was probably a difficult decision possibly influenced by the views of many fans.

It's quite likely that the change was prompted by some of our fans booing Trafford during our last home game.

[daveisaclaret]

It's quite likely that the change was prompted by some of our fans booing Trafford during our last home game.

So if they'd booed a bit sooner they could have saved our season?

[Carlos the Great]

Are you saying that if a cross came in in the last minute, there is no way that Muric would let himself be knocked out of the way with the ball ending up in the net? Watch Match of the Day again.

Watch the Luton game again and when Trafford got fouled he had both feet on the ground nowhere near the ball.. that’s what I’m saying .. Muric got a foul because he was fouled in the air where it looked like he was getting the ball .. at the end of the day Muric got the foil and Trafford didn’t

[SouthLondonexile]

Ensured we got three points yesterday.
Tbh he should have been No1 Choice goalkeeper from day one of this season.

[StayingDown4Ever]

It's quite likely that the change was prompted by some of our fans booing Trafford during our last home game.

And to think some people were calling out the ones who booed him!

[Rileybobs]

So if they'd booed a bit sooner they could have saved our season?

Well if you think that Muric playing more games this season would have been the sole difference between relegation and survival, then yes.

[boatshed bill]

Watch the Luton game again and when Trafford got fouled he had both feet on the ground nowhere near the ball.. that’s what I’m saying .. Muric got a foul because he was fouled in the air where it looked like he was getting the ball .. at the end of the day Muric got the foil and Trafford didn’t

The foul was given because Toney led with his fore-arm, wasn't it?

[Rileybobs]

And to think some people were calling out the ones who booed him!

I think it's entirely reasonable that people called out the idiots who booed one of our players because they don't rate or like him.

[Carlos the Great]

The foul was given because Toney led with his fore-arm, wasn't it?

Yeah I think that’s probably right ..

[Brugge Claret]

Do you think we have a cunning plan to play Muric until the end of the season then sell for a small fortune?

[Carlos the Great]

Anyway I’m just happy we have a premier league keeper in goals now as we haven’t all season … Trafford has potential but a lot to learn Zz and while he has been learning we have cemented ourselves in the bottom 3

[Shaggy]

We all knew ( the majority of fans ) that Trafford is weak and Muric is much better and should have been in sooner.

The happy clappers like to deny reality as they do not believe in criticism. Well happy clappers how wrong can you lot be. You were all told and ignored. Hope that humble pie tasted good.

Hopefully this is the turning point and that we do not see Trafford anywhere near the starting line up again.

[CoolClaret]

Watch the Luton game again and when Trafford got fouled he had both feet on the ground nowhere near the ball.. that’s what I’m saying .. Muric got a foul because he was fouled in the air where it looked like he was getting the ball .. at the end of the day Muric got the foil and Trafford didn’t

It was also entirely different -

The ball was literally going in the top corner of the net (slowly) so Muric couldn't get a running start to it and some momentum as he was stationary under the ball and Toney literally took a running leap straight into him without even looking at playing the ball.

With Traff, if he'd have timed it right he could have ran and come for it with full commitment and would have 100% got the foul - but he ended up hesitating then was stationary and went down at impact.

Two different scenarios

[ArmchairDetective]

Muric had a great game yesterday. His saves kept us in front. Trafford may have done similar.

Muric's distribution is outstanding. It's the pace and timing of his distribution as much as anything. Trafford is a good keeper but takes far longer to distribute the ball, allowing the opposition to reset meaning we have to work harder to break them down and increased chance of giving the ball away.

Muric appears taller and has more presence regardless of what the Internet says.

Both keepers have strengths. We benefited from Muric's yesterday. Should be his place to lose now.

[IanMcL]

Pace and accuracy prevailed and added to our play, yesterday. Trafford can't do it. Pope is better than Trafford!

[taio]

Pace and accuracy prevailed and added to our play, yesterday. Trafford can't do it. Pope is better than Trafford!

Of course Pope is better than Trafford. I can't imagine anyone think otherwise

[IanMcL]

Of course Pope is better than Trafford. I can't imagine anyone think otherwise

The kicking aspect (where Pope is described as not good and Trafford as very good) is to what I was referring.

No contest otherwise.

[taio]

The kicking aspect (where Pope is described as not good and Trafford as very good) is to what I was referring.

No contest otherwise.

Trafford is more comfortable with the ball at his feet than Pope

[spt_claret]

Watch the Luton game again and when Trafford got fouled he had both feet on the ground nowhere near the ball.. that’s what I’m saying .. Muric got a foul because he was fouled in the air where it looked like he was getting the ball .. at the end of the day Muric got the foil and Trafford didn’t

I'm sure I'll be dismissed for this because I think Muric is the better keeper, but Trafford was not fouled against Luton. Ignore the emotion of the shirt, ignore the players involved, watch what actually happens. Adebayo stops moving, turns his back, and jumps. He does not back into Trafford or move towards him. Trafford comes out and rebounds off him, Adebayo is allowed to jump and stand his ground which he does he has stopped running and planted his feet before he turns and jumps and goes upwards not backwards. If that happens to Muric, I don't call it a foul, because it isn't. It's basic target man play holding your ground being strong.

Toney yesterday barrelled into Muric at head height, very obvious, visible forwards movement into the keeper. They're not remotely the same scenario, if that happens to Trafford I call it a foul because it is, that's deliberately bulldozing a keeper.

Trafford really struggles at legal physicality from forwards. He's been undone at corners because he's not physically strong enough to get through a press or a loitering striker. It's to be expected, he's barely 21 and smaller than Muric, he hasn't fully developed physically. But the two incidents are not the same, I'd have gone ballistic if we'd had a goal disallowed in the same circumstances as Luton's goal, Barnes did that sort of play often under Dyche and it's fully legal competing aerially. You're not under any obligation to move out of the way because the keeper comes out- case in point, Muric almost hurdling Toney yesterday to punch clear, also not a foul as he wins the ball first and doesn't climb Toney for a boost, he just outjumps & outreaches him before making contact. Not a foul by Toney either in that case he's allowed to jump and stand his ground.

All this aside, to add- anyone congratulating themselves or fans for booing is clueless. Never boo/abuse your own player. Even if the change is the one I wanted, there's no reason to boo your own team or players. Ever.

[daveisaclaret]

I'm sure I'll be dismissed for this because I think Muric is the better keeper, but Trafford was not fouled against Luton.

You'll be dismissed for it because it's utter ********

[spt_claret]

You'll be dismissed for it because it's utter ********

Watch the footage. Adebayo does not move into Trafford. He's stopped moving before he jumps, Trafford moves into him. You're seeing what you want to see, it's not ******** at all.

[spt_claret]

Im watching it back again, got one thing wrong he does take one last step goalwards, but he doesn't at any point look at Trafford like people think he did. His eyes are always on the wing/ball, he never turns his head to check the keeper. I stand by Id have been furious at that being disallowed for us or felt Muric was soft if he'd done that, because he can't avoid that coming together if Trafford's coming out, without getting out of the way of the ball too.

And I acknowledge Muric did have soft moments last season and flapped at crosses for the first half of the season, by no means think he's perfect.

[Burnley1989]

We all knew ( the majority of fans ) that Trafford is weak and Muric is much better and should have been in sooner.

The happy clappers like to deny reality as they do not believe in criticism. Well happy clappers how wrong can you lot be. You were all told and ignored. Hope that humble pie tasted good.

Hopefully this is the turning point and that we do not see Trafford anywhere near the starting line up again.

Everyone agreed Muric should be playing, most of us just didn’t like the abuse the young keeper got from so called fans.
If you’re happy with that, you craic on, personally I’ll never have a pop at a player unless it’s through lack of effort which wasn’t the case in this example.

[ElectroClaret]

Of course Pope is better than Trafford. I can't imagine anyone think otherwise

Pope's arguably the best keeper we've ever had.

[Jellybean]

We were fortunate to have such outstanding keepers for a number of years, we never had to worry about them and probably took them for granted, so I think that's why this season there has been so much focus on the shortfalls. Plus don't forget that Pope was lucky to have a great and consistent defence in front of him, how many blocks did they make before it got anywhere near the keeper!

[Carlos the Great]

Let’s pray we don’t sell Muric … he is clearly the best keeper at the club and it will give us a much better chance of winning promotion if he is starting

[CoolClaret]

We were fortunate to have such outstanding keepers for a number of years, we never had to worry about them and probably took them for granted, so I think that's why this season there has been so much focus on the shortfalls. Plus don't forget that Pope was lucky to have a great and consistent defence in front of him, how many blocks did they make before it got anywhere near the keeper!

We have to remember with Pope etc that we had a much tighter defensive shape and we made the GKs job as easy as possible, it's very different to what we have our keepers doing now.

Muric plays that sweeper role brilliantly - he makes a decision and commits to it, that save against Wissa in the first half was a prime example.

Different styles of players, though Howe has managed to get the most out of Pope (until his injury) in a slightly more expansive role for Newcastle.

Fabulous keeper Nick in terms of saves and high claims, but I wouldn't chose him over Muric for wanting to play like we supposedly want to.

[Carlos the Great]

Let’s pray we don’t sell Muric … he is clearly the best keeper at the club and it will give us a much better chance of winning promotion if he is starting

[NL Claret]

Following the Luton game I spoke to supporters of all of the other North west PL clubs on my morning dog walk. Not one of them thought the Luton goal should have stood, all said it was a really poor decision by ref and var. Even the secondary var or whatever that is , thought it was a foul. The only place I've read that it was not a foul is on this msg board, I can't think why that is case.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Following the Luton game I spoke to supporters of all of the other North west PL clubs on my morning dog walk. Not one of them thought the Luton goal should have stood, all said it was a really poor decision by ref and var. Even the secondary var or whatever that is , thought it was a foul. The only place I've read that it was not a foul is on this msg board, I can't think why that is case.

I think you’ll find a strong correlation between those that scored Muric 10 yesterday and those that didn’t think it was a foul on Trafford

[Bordeauxclaret]

Both the Luton goal and the one yesterday were clear fouls.

Bizarre that anyone tries to argue differently.

[Colburn_Claret]

I think it’s entirely reasonable they booed what was an obvious poor decision to keep playing him and they should be congratulated if you are right in your suspicions that was the reason Muric was selected yesterday.

It's never right to boo our own players, whatever failings or shortcomings they might have we should support them. Was it Traffords fault that VK kept picking him.

[Darthlaw]

Both the Luton goal and the one yesterday were clear fouls.

Bizarre that anyone tries to argue differently.

Less bizarre, more agenda driven.

You’d think with the bogey man out of the side now and a win under our belt, this messageboard would be a little less combative.

Then again, reading on here that supporters who boo our players should be commended is prime uptheclarets

[AlargeClaret]

Sorry, but that's absolute b0llocks.

Don’t let the facts of a perfectly decent and very solid show from Muric get in the way of your hero worship . I’d have started the season with him and believe the JT purchase was pointless . However there’s very little between the 2 former City no 3’s in actual ability , though I’d have loaned JT out to a top champ club .

[AlargeClaret]

Were you listening to it on the radio?

Which bit didn’t you agree with ? AM gave a perfectly decent prem keeper performance along with a very smart foul for the Toney goal . Id have saved the Trafford fee and started with AM as JT needs to develop , but that’s neither here nor there . Oh and JHL halfway line .

[CoolClaret]

Can we do it?!

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[Darthlaw]

Can we do it?!

If every team puts in a 15 minute performance against us and we only have to play 10 men for 85 minutes of a game, then yes.

If it's normal circumstances, then just maybe.

[CoolClaret]

If every team puts in a 15 minute performance against us and we only have to play 10 men for 85 minutes of a game, then yes.

If it's normal circumstances, then just maybe.

Hey count me in if we're threading balls through to have a goal scoring chance in the first 10 minutes to get an opposition player sent off and/or a penalty.

Just may work

[Darthlaw]

Hey count me in if we're threading balls through to have a goal scoring chance in the first 10 minutes to get an opposition player sent off and/or a penalty.

Just may work

Theres me thinking it was Cullen threading the ball, through my non Kosovan tinted spectacles.

[daveisaclaret]

If every team puts in a 15 minute performance against us and we only have to play 10 men for 85 minutes of a game, then yes.

If it's normal circumstances, then just maybe.

What is the point in supporting Burnley if you are falling over yourself to explain why it's not that good when we win? What are you getting out of it?

[Carlos the Great]

We certainly looked like a team
against Brentford .. imagine if we beat Chelsea thougb .. the confidence would sky rocket