Arijanet Muric

[Darthlaw]

What is the point in supporting Burnley if you are falling over yourself to explain why it's not that good when we win? What are you getting out of it?

Clearly you havent read all my other posts on yesterdays game, if this is what you're reading into my post.

Muric done good, and silenced a few doubters (including me) with his shot stopping yesterday. We moved the ball faster and got forward on the counter quickly. All good.

But I do have the composure to recognise that we played 10 men for 90% of the game so I'm not getting carried away just yet.

[CoolClaret]

Theres me thinking it was Cullen threading the ball, through my non Kosovan tinted spectacles.

Correct - did I say it wasn't?

[Darthlaw]

Correct - did I say it wasn't?

No you didn't, but I did wonder what relevance your post had and assumed it would be Muric, being I was responding to a Muric picture, on a Muric thread.

Hey, I'll agree, if we're threading balls through to have a goal scoring chance in the first 10 minutes to get an opposition player sent off, that will be great but in yesterdays case we could've had Marlon Beresford in goal and it wouldnt have affected how Reguilon came to be back in the changing room.

[daveisaclaret]

Clearly you havent read all my other posts on yesterdays game, if this is what you're reading into my post.

Muric done good, and silenced a few doubters (including me) with his shot stopping yesterday. We moved the ball faster and got forward on the counter quickly. All good.

But I do have the composure to recognise that we played 10 men for 90% of the game so I'm not getting carried away just yet.

I've taken the time to read all your other posts and note with interest you claimed Brentford weren't interested for 75 minutes. Bizarre and unusual thing to make up if you aren't trying to let us know why it isn't very good that we won. It's very transparent that you're doing it in the "Arijanet Muric" thread, I feel.

[Darthlaw]

I've taken the time to read all your other posts and note with interest you claimed Brentford weren't interested for 75 minutes. Bizarre and unusual thing to make up if you aren't trying to let us know why it isn't very good that we won. It's very transparent that you're doing it in the "Arijanet Muric" thread, I feel.

You think Brentford were interested before the 75th minute? Were you watching it on the radio because that sure as hell isnt made up. I'm sorry if that upsets you, or you interpret that as anti-Muric but that's how it was.

Their talisman Toney spent most of the game in a sulk and his team fed off it, you're deluded if you think otherwise.

[CoolClaret]

You think Brentford were interested before the 75th minute? Were you watching it on the radio because that sure as hell isnt made up.

Almost like our control of the game had something to do with it...

[daveisaclaret]

You think Brentford were interested before the 75th minute? Were you watching it on the radio because that sure as hell isnt made up.

It is made up. It's possible for Burnley to be the better team without the opposition not being interested, even in cases you want to pretend otherwise.

[Darthlaw]

Almost like our control of the game had something to do with it...

or having one less player than us...

[IanMcL]

Trafford is more comfortable with the ball at his feet than Pope

But distribution is woeful.

[taio]

or having one less player than us...

You are right to recognise that Muric played really well but at the same time keep things in perspective given we played 90 mins against ten men and a team in poor form.

[Darthlaw]

You are right to recognise that Muric played really well but at the same time keep things in perspective given we played 90 mins against ten men and a team in poor form.

Couldn't think of the word, thanks!

Perspective!

[Mansfield claret]

But distribution is woeful.

So was Pope's... Depends what you want from goalie.... I'd prefer pope over either of our present ones, so distribution isn't that bigger deal, Newcastle did OK with him

[Darthlaw]

It is made up. It's possible for Burnley to be the better team without the opposition not being interested, even in cases you want to pretend otherwise.

What are you talking about? Of course Burnley can be the better team regardless of what the opposition do.

In yesterdays case Brentford were uninterested and poor until they switched it on with their subs in the final 15 mins. If you think otherwise, you're deluded or being deliberately obtuse.

[IanMcL]

So was Pope's... Depends what you want from goalie.... I'd prefer pope over either of our present ones, so distribution isn't that bigger deal, Newcastle did OK with him

Pope and footwork is not great, however he has proved more than capable of making the 10 yard passes demanded nowadays and sweeping up. He was asked to kick long at Burnley and he often hit the target man.

Aiming to the wings sometimes went awry.

[Mansfield claret]

Pope and footwork is not great, however he has proved more than capable of making the 10 yard passes demanded nowadays and sweeping up. He was asked to kick long at Burnley and he often hit the target man.

Aiming to the wings sometimes went awry.

Which of the 3 would you prefer?

[IanMcL]

Pope in a blink of an eye.

[Mansfield claret]

Pope in a blink of an eye.

Me to... So we accept that distribution isn't the main part of goalkeeping, let's sign him back, life would be far easier on here

[CoolClaret]

Me to... So we accept that distribution isn't the main part of goalkeeping, let's sign him back, life would be far easier on here

Hi Nori

[Mansfield claret]

Hi Nori

Weird, seeing how iam in a completely different part of the world, iam sure the mods could check for you if you're that bothered?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Bet he feels like a million dollars today

[CoolClaret]

Weird, seeing how iam in a completely different part of the world, iam sure the mods could check for you if you're that bothered?

Thanks for the confirmation it's you Nori. How many burners have you posted on since the game finished yesterday? Must be at least 3/4.

It's really easy to pick up on your writing style btw

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Thanks for the confirmation it's you Nori. How many burners have you posted on since the game finished yesterday? Must be at least 3/4.

It's really easy to pick up on your writing style btw

I believe thecatswhiskers was seen eating a carvery at 3pm , very suspicious if you ask me

[Mansfield claret]

Thanks for the confirmation it's you Nori. How many burners have you posted on since the game finished yesterday? Must be at least 3/4.

It's really easy to pick up on your writing style btw

Not that easy, obviously.... Like I said yesterday, iam in Italy.. I doubt very much any other posters are within 500 miles of this secluded island

[boyyanno]

Thanks for the confirmation it's you Nori. How many burners have you posted on since the game finished yesterday? Must be at least 3/4.

It's really easy to pick up on your writing style btw

The "iam" is a dead give away too.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Not that easy, obviously.... Like I said yesterday, iam in Italy.. I doubt very much any other posters are within 500 miles of this secluded island

Are you scaramanga or dr.no?

[THEWELLERNUT70]

I'm just catching up on the thread and it appears one or two posters have a bit of a sandy vag

[Steddyman]

What finally prompted VK into giving Muric a chance I'll suppose we'll never know.

JJ has been in training with them all week...

https://x.com/steddyman/status/17616822 ... 6QKwfgixkA

You are welcome.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

This will be my final say on this thread which I know almost all will scan through because of it's length (give a sh!t btw it's just observations of someone who played at a decent amateur level but the skill set of certain positions in a team remain relevant)

Muric yesterday completed what are classed as long passes at nearly 58%. A figure that John Trafford could only dream of ( his seasonal average is somewhere in the low 20s and given he's played more games ). It's a skill set you either have or you haven't and Trafford has had more than enough in game time this season.

Bloody hell it's integral to how VK wants us to play, that was our identity last season and should have been this

Now it doesn't matter if you are down to 10 men or have a full compliment of 11 on the field ( as I've seen as an excuse for Brentford being down to 10 ) if anything it makes a longer successful pass harder to to hit because the defence are sat deep. It negates too a team trying to get back in the game whether full compliment of players or not because they don't have a keeper that allows pressure, they can be hit on the break so in turn don't press as high FFS, people try to over complete football and sometimes it really doesn't need over complicating, unless ( and it happens time and time again on here as it has done for the last 20 years that you get the chin strokers involved who over analyse virtually everything when the fault is basically punching them square on the bloody nose !!

[CrosspoolClarets]

This will be my final say on this thread which I know almost all will scan through because of it's length (give a sh!t btw it's just observations of someone who played at a decent amateur level but the skill set of certain positions in a team remain relevant)

Muric yesterday completed what are classed as long passes at nearly 58%. A figure that John Trafford could only dream of ( his seasonal average is somewhere in the low 20s and given he's played more games ). It's a skill set you either have or you haven't and Trafford has had more than enough in game time this season.

Bloody hell it's integral to how VK wants us to play, that was our identity last season and should have been this

Now it doesn't matter if you are down to 10 men or have a full compliment of 11 on the field ( as I've seen as an excuse for Brentford being down to 10 ) if anything it makes a longer successful pass harder to to hit because the defence are sat deep. It negates too a team trying to get back in the game whether full compliment of players or not because they don't have a keeper that allows pressure, they can be hit on the break so in turn don't press as high FFS, people try to over complete football and sometimes it really doesn't need over complicating, unless ( and it happens time and time again on here as it has done for the last 20 years that you get the chin strokers involved who over analyse virtually everything when the fault is basically punching them square on the bloody nose !!

Well done, spot on. I’ve praised Trafford and defended him all season. His stats (he writes, chin stroking ) for goals conceded vs expected goals conceded had got to about half way up the table, but now they have slipped to 3rd bottom. That’s why he needed an overdue rest. He will become a fine keeper, akin to Pope I think.

But for how VK wants to play, Muric was the man. A fairly unique set of attributes that could have terrified other teams. Bound to have thrown some in, but over the piece would have got us the 5+ extra wins we needed. How to break down these defences has been our major problem.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Well done, spot on. I’ve praised Trafford and defended him all season. His stats (he writes, chin stroking ) for goals conceded vs expected goals conceded had got to about half way up the table, but now they have slipped to 3rd bottom. That’s why he needed an overdue rest. He will become a fine keeper, akin to Pope I think.

But for how VK wants to play, Muric was the man. A fairly unique set of attributes that could have terrified other teams. Bound to have thrown some in, but over the piece would have got us the 5+ extra wins we needed. How to break down these defences has been our major problem.

‘He will become a fine keeper’. Jury out on that one.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Well done, spot on. I’ve praised Trafford and defended him all season. His stats (he writes, chin stroking ) for goals conceded vs expected goals conceded had got to about half way up the table, but now they have slipped to 3rd bottom. That’s why he needed an overdue rest. He will become a fine keeper, akin to Pope I think.

But for how VK wants to play, Muric was the man. A fairly unique set of attributes that could have terrified other teams. Bound to have thrown some in, but over the piece would have got us the 5+ extra wins we needed. How to break down these defences has been our major problem.

It's a tough one tbh but not only does Muric have the range of passing up there with Burger on our our books but he's the best sweeper we've had since Dobbo came back

[Vim Fuego]

This will be my final say on this thread which I know almost all will scan through because of it's length (give a sh!t btw it's just observations of someone who played at a decent amateur level but the skill set of certain positions in a team remain relevant)

Muric yesterday completed what are classed as long passes at nearly 58%. A figure that John Trafford could only dream of ( his seasonal average is somewhere in the low 20s and given he's played more games ). It's a skill set you either have or you haven't and Trafford has had more than enough in game time this season.

Bloody hell it's integral to how VK wants us to play, that was our identity last season and should have been this

Nice Post. I've only quoted half of it but that is enough. Going to stretch it a bit here, but it is like watching a prime Glen Hoddle spray it around. Talent like this should not be dismissed like it has been, not by the manager, nor by fans. Those that cannot see it are blind.

I would also add. It is not just executing a pass. You have to see the pass. See the options before you even receive the ball. See the picture. Muric has this. It is special. He is a bloody good goalkeeper too. And brave as we saw yesterday.

[Jamesy]

This will be my final say on this thread which I know almost all will scan through because of it's length (give a sh!t btw it's just observations of someone who played at a decent amateur level but the skill set of certain positions in a team remain relevant)

Muric yesterday completed what are classed as long passes at nearly 58%. A figure that John Trafford could only dream of ( his seasonal average is somewhere in the low 20s and given he's played more games ). It's a skill set you either have or you haven't and Trafford has had more than enough in game time this season.

Bloody hell it's integral to how VK wants us to play, that was our identity last season and should have been this

Now it doesn't matter if you are down to 10 men or have a full compliment of 11 on the field ( as I've seen as an excuse for Brentford being down to 10 ) if anything it makes a longer successful pass harder to to hit because the defence are sat deep. It negates too a team trying to get back in the game whether full compliment of players or not because they don't have a keeper that allows pressure, they can be hit on the break so in turn don't press as high FFS, people try to over complete football and sometimes it really doesn't need over complicating, unless ( and it happens time and time again on here as it has done for the last 20 years that you get the chin strokers involved who over analyse virtually everything when the fault is basically punching them square on the bloody nose !!

I would take this post a little more seriously if you could at least get our keeper’s name correct.

[Brugge Claret]

Can’t imagine what goes on in training ,you would assume they’red be 11 v 11 sometimes, obviously AM and JT on different sides and if Trafford sees Muric hitting 60 yds passes and playing quick passes you would have thought it would rub off on him.and surely the back room staff must realise there’s a markedly different way of playing depending on the keeper,it’s baffling to understand why Kompany hasn’t tried changing keeper until this weekend.

[Bullabill]

I would take this post a little more seriously if you could at least get our keeper’s name correct.

A bit touchy there Johnsy.

[Vim Fuego]

Can’t imagine what goes on in training ,you would assume they’red be 11 v 11 sometimes, obviously AM and JT on different sides and if Trafford sees Muric hitting 60 yds passes and playing quick passes you would have thought it would rub off on him.and surely the back room staff must realise there’s a markedly different way of playing depending on the keeper,it’s baffling to understand why Kompany hasn’t tried changing keeper until this weekend.

There has been no logic applied. It is clear as day. Worst case scenario is that football decisions are being made for finance reasons. Could that be possible ?

[Jamesy]

A bit touchy there Johnsy.

Nice one!

[expoultryboy]

Muric was excellent yesterday , seeing his name on the sheet certainly improved the atmosphere in the crowd . We've improved by playing Cullen and now Muric , so why not give some of the others from last season more of a go .

[StayingDown4Ever]

Still nothing from Nori yet?

How absolutely humiliated is he if he hasn’t posted since yesterday’s wonderful performance from Muric.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

I would take this post a little more seriously if you could at least get our keeper’s name correct.

I've missed what you're on about, but if that's that's your only considered response I'll add you my "div, niff noff" list if you like

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Still nothing from Nori yet?

How absolutely humiliated is he if he hasn’t posted since yesterday’s wonderful performance from Muric.

The internet is down on his secluded Italian island

[dsr]

I've missed what you're on about, but if that's that's your only considered response I'll add you my "div, niff noff" list if you like

He's called James Trafford, not John.

As for the rest, I'm not convinced that passing gets harder when the opposition are a man short. After all, if they do bring extra men back then there is so much more space for the short passes and no need to play long ones. Still, no need to argue. We'll see if Muric gets 58% of long passes against Chelsea and Wolves and Everton, and that will go a long way to settling the issue.

[Brugge Claret]

The internet is down on his secluded Italian island

Could he be on enforced leave?

[Carlos the Great]

Can’t believe how many people have said to me this morning at work .. wow your keeper brilliant where did yij get him from

[THEWELLERNUT70]

A bit touchy there Johnsy.

Ah I see it now and I apologise to Johnsy

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Still nothing from Nori yet?

How absolutely humiliated is he if he hasn’t posted since yesterday’s wonderful performance from Muric.

Oh he will have done but sadly under a different username

[jlup1980]

‘He will become a fine keeper’. Jury out on that one.

Trafford has come in for a lot of flack this season, rightly or wrongly, but I think most would agree he will develop into a quality goalkeeper. He started the season as our number one, aged 20. He turned 21 last October. To even be considered in the PL at that age you need to have something about you. As a comparison...

Nick Pope was playing in the Conference Premier with Cambridge Utd when he was 20. He followed that up with loan spells at Aldershot, York and Bury before breaking into the Charlton team in the Championship. He made his PL debut with us aged 25.

Tom Heaton was playing in League One with Swindon Town when he was 20. He bounced around a lot of loans without ever being the no.1 at Royal Antwerp, Cardiff, QPR, Rochdale, Wycombe. He wasn't first choice anywhere until he got to Bristol City when he was 26 and made his PL debut with us aged 28.

Saturday was Muric's PL debut and he's 25. He's had a mediocre career until last season. Various unsuccessful loans at NAC Breda, Forest, Girona, Willem II, followed by a decent season in Turkey with Adana Demirspor. Even Jordan Pickford, who started in the PL as a young lad, was playing in League One with Bradford City at 20, followed by a season in the Championship with PNE before getting his break in the PL.

Goalkeepers take time to develop and clearly go on longer. On the face of it, Trafford is miles ahead of this lot already.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Oh he will have done but sadly under a different username

It was only last week he was accusing other posters of having multiple accounts and here we are now and he’s been rumbled for that exact thing

[northeastclaret]

Was that the first time the club have had flags waving at the side of the pitch this season? I just wonder if it was it was in response to Muric finally being selected?

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Trafford has come in for a lot of flack this season, rightly or wrongly, but I think most would agree he will develop into a quality goalkeeper. He started the season as our number one, aged 20. He turned 21 last October. To even be considered in the PL at that age you need to have something about you. As a comparison...

Nick Pope was playing in the Conference Premier with Cambridge Utd when he was 20. He followed that up with loan spells at Aldershot, York and Bury before breaking into the Charlton team in the Championship. He made his PL debut with us aged 25.

Tom Heaton was playing in League One with Swindon Town when he was 20. He bounced around a lot of loans without ever being the no.1 at Royal Antwerp, Cardiff, QPR, Rochdale, Wycombe. He wasn't first choice anywhere until he got to Bristol City when he was 26 and made his PL debut with us aged 28.

Saturday was Muric's PL debut and he's 25. He's had a mediocre career until last season. Various unsuccessful loans at NAC Breda, Forest, Girona, Willem II, followed by a decent season in Turkey with Adana Demirspor. Even Jordan Pickford, who started in the PL as a young lad, was playing in League One with Bradford City at 20, followed by a season in the Championship with PNE before getting his break in the PL.

Goalkeepers take time to develop and clearly go on longer. On the face of it, Trafford is miles ahead of this lot already.

Very good post. I definitely think JT will go on to be a very good GK of PL quality (exactly how good will be down to him).

I just hope VK has not damaged his confidence long term this season, he was clearly in need of a break from the firing line and he left him out there to carry more than his fair share of the pressure. I think the majority of fans who have expressed discontent at the GK situation have been annoyed at VK more than JT, but I would not be surprised if the young lad has taken the criticism to heart.