The table

[roperclaret]

Would look so much better if we hadn’t had the points against Forest and Luton stolen from us by shocking VAR decisions

[equinox]

If's and but's, I'm just happy that we have shape and are being competitive, no one can argue, we've been dreadful and deserved to be where we are.

[boatshed bill]

Would look so much better if we hadn’t had the points against Forest and Luton stolen from us by shocking VAR decisions

It would (should) be : Forest 24
Luton 21
Burnley 21
Blades 14

[claret2018]

Give over

[roperclaret]

Give over

Give over what? Yes we have been poor, but those 2 decisions have been accepted as being wrong

[ElectroClaret]

Sky Sports reporting that Forest will learn the outcome of their charge of financial rule breach "early next week".

So the points for them may change...

[Mansfield claret]

Give over what? Yes we have been poor, but those 2 decisions have been accepted as being wrong

With forest about to be deducted points it would have been very interesting

[Mansfield claret]

Sky Sports reporting that Forest will learn the outcome of their charge of financial rule breach "early next week".

So the points for them may change...

Minus 6 apparently... Will be appealed so probably 4

[scamander]

Would look so much better if we hadn’t had the points against Forest and Luton stolen from us by shocking VAR decisions

Whilst I agree we have had numerous chances to take points which we have failed to do. The fact that Forest are near us is in part due to them being on the wrong end of some odd ones (from what I remember). This season we have had some very nice situations we've thrown away (e.g. playing teams when they are out of form or missing key players).

VAR is well down the list for me.

[HahaYeah]

Might be Monday for the big decision but the Prem won't want to lose Everton and Forest, so say minus 6 points then an appeal might see them both be given just enough points to keep them both up.

[Neil]

Minus 6 apparently... Will be appealed so probably 4

I don't get the appeal process with this.

It's almost a given that the appeal will be successful and it just seems like pre conceived compromise.

[boatshed bill]

Might be Monday for the big decision but the Prem won't want to lose Everton and Forest, so say minus 6 points then an appeal might see them both be given just enough points to keep them both up.

But we will be back in the scramble, I'm optimistic.

[Mansfield claret]

I don't get the appeal process with this.

It's almost a given that the appeal will be successful and it just seems like pre conceived compromise.

Couldn't agree more

[HahaYeah]

But we will be back in the scramble, I'm optimistic.

So am I, just not trying to build my hopes up too much!

[Roosterbooster]

It would (should) be : Forest 24
Luton 21
Burnley 21
Blades 14

I think this is conservative
Penalty last minute v Bournemouth also missed by VAR

2 pts from safety and still to play the team in 17th at home completely changes the picture

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Forest have had some poor decisions on VAR as several other clubs will have
Liverpool at Spurs was one big one

[wilks_bfc]

It would look better if we hadn’t dropped 20 points from winning positions - but let’s blame it all on VAR

I don’t disagree that VAR has cost us SOME points, but let’s be honest we are in this position from our own doing

[Selby Claret]

Throwing away 5 pts against West Ham

[ISpeds00]

non thread

[Elizabeth]

Everton 10 point deduction reduced to 6 points. Imagine Everton and Forest get deducted 6 points this time and we survive by one point from either of them. Then the Appeal is heard after the season has ended. Where would that leave us ?

[boatshed bill]

It would look better if we hadn’t dropped 20 points from winning positions - but let’s blame it all on VAR

I don’t disagree that VAR has cost us SOME points, but let’s be honest we are in this position from our own doing

VAR apologised for the Forest error, and just about everyone in football saw the Luton equaliser as a foul.
Outside of those two "these things even themselves out" as they say

[ElectroClaret]

Then the Appeal is heard after the season has ended. Where would that leave us ?

Think I read something about all appeals having to be heard before season's end.
Be chaos if not.

[TheFamilyCat]

I think this is conservative
Penalty last minute v Bournemouth also missed by VAR

2 pts from safety and still to play the team in 17th at home completely changes the picture

Don't forget Villa's penalty.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Don't forget Villa's penalty.

Don’t forget the one Hammers should have had in the last minute that VAR didn’t give.

[Leisure]

Don’t forget the one Hammers should have had in the last minute that VAR didn’t give.

Spoken like a true Rovers fan!

[CrosspoolClarets]

If's and but's, I'm just happy that we have shape and are being competitive, no one can argue, we've been dreadful and deserved to be where we are.

The point of this thread is that is simply not true. Those robberies late in those games would have seen us 1 point from safety after Forest get their punishment. We’ve been poor, but so have they.

[Jakubclaret]

Don’t forget the one Hammers should have had in the last minute that VAR didn’t give.

Or the Toney equaliser today. Things haven't been great by any stretch of the imagination but it's swings & roundabouts it's as broad as it's long.

[boatshed bill]

Or the Toney equaliser today. Things haven't been great by any stretch of the imagination but it's swings & roundabouts it's as broad as it's long.

Why don't you read the OP?

[Jakubclaret]

Why don't you read the OP?

Yes but it's easily turned on it's head by the favourable decisions that fell our way it's not all bad.

[Jakubclaret]

Give over what? Yes we have been poor, but those 2 decisions have been accepted as being wrong

Such was the acceptance I think the BBC conducted a poll & roughly a third of the people thought the Luton goal should have stood.

[Bosscat]

Such was the acceptance I think the BBC conducted a poll & roughly a third of the people thought the Luton goal should have stood.

What about the other 2/3's

[Jakubclaret]

What about the other 2/3's

Exactly it’s not conclusive over 30% I’d still call significant whichever way it’s dressed up.

[boatshed bill]

Exactly it’s not conclusive over 30% I’d still call significant whichever way it’s dressed up.

Is black just a darker shade of white?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Look folks, those things are now done, we were wronged in those games, but if we all stay as we are from now until the final game, and we win that final game, we stay up (assuming the two further 6 point deductions happen). Everton are at Arsenal in the final game while we play Forest here.

Can’t give up, that’s for sure, and the only thing those robberies can do for us now is add fuel. Other than that we simply move on.

[Benson]

Exactly it’s not conclusive over 30% I’d still call significant whichever way it’s dressed up.

Yes of course you would but, let’s be honest, you’re a muppet.

[Jakubclaret]

Yes of course you would but, let’s be honest, you’re a muppet.

Least I'm good at something